The dark side of Steroids

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Steroids don't exist on nature, how could a baby want doing bodybuilding ?

Where do steroids exist, in a vacuum?

Babies want to be astronauts, artists and sportsman. Could you open your mind to the possibility that bodybuilding is the Life Purpose of many people on Earth and the only reason why they are alive?

Arnold Schwarzenegger style.

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Which positivity ?

The subjective net balance everyone makes of its life.

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

I think there are other ways to feel fulfilled that turning yourself into a drugged freak.

For you, that's why you aren't doing it.

Consider people find fulfilling widely different things than you. What one finds fulfilling the other finds a torture and the torture of another is heaven for one.

[bambi]

Why is this in the psychedelics section? Im confused

[Keryo Koffa]

@bambi Either @Davino forgot the Health, Fitness, Nutrition, Supplements section exists or it's part of his MASTER PLAN

Edited August 16 by Keryo Koffa

[Schizophonia]

16 minutes ago, Davino said:

Where do steroids exist, in a vacuum?

Babies want to be astronauts, artists and sportsman.

21 minutes ago, Davino said:

is the Life Purpose of many people on Earth and the only reason why they are alive?

My point is that insofar as there isn't bodybuilding in nature, it's stupid to say it can be the only life path for certain persons given that the brain isn't even made for this activity at all.

It's like defend bs jobs because it would be the only path for some people to the extent of their circumstances (financial situation if bodybuilding is a survival strategy, narcissistic flaws and psychological situation in general, etc.) , it's twisted.

Not only your attitude is feminine (brush people the right way) but dangerous, doping is dangerous and body building is objectively an horrible way of life, a dirty delirium.

26 minutes ago, Davino said:

Arnold Schwarzenegger style.

 

He is nor particularly an exemple + he is also and especially known for his films.

27 minutes ago, Davino said:

The subjective net balance everyone makes of its life.

You right.

My brain is saying to me that it's positive to snort heroin

28 minutes ago, Davino said:

 

For you, that's why you aren't doing it.

 

No no for everybody, unless it's a survival strategy but even here it doesn't make bodybuilding more sustainable.

30 minutes ago, Davino said:

What one finds fulfilling the other finds a torture and the torture of another is heaven for one.

No their is a human nature and some energetic (both genetic and epigenetic) variations which constitute personas and character in general of individuals.

Nobody is programmed to do bodybuilding, it makes 0 sense.

Then if you want to have a boring life and fucking your health away you do what you want my friend, it's not my issue indeed.

[Ishanga]

I remember watching a video with Dorian Yates, he was 6X Mr Olympia, and this was way after his BB career was over, he basically said it was all for Ego, the looking in the mirror, the fan appreciation and the goal of being Mr Olympia which is Egoic in nature, its not really a natural thing to want to be as big and developed as these guys are, its for sure unhealthy, and its not of their own nature to do this, its purely social or its coming from the society they live in combined with their karma and inner needs and such,,, Stallone looked up to Steve Reeves as Hercules, when he was a young Man, it inspired him since he was very scrawny as a young man and didn't have many good role models at home, actually it was very bad for Stallone at home, so he used his imagination in a huge way, it got him where he is and was today, the body icon and inspiration we think of him as, but its socially manufactured I would say 100%, the internal inspiration and such as I said before is mostly inborn within us as a Desire to Expand and Be more than What we are today..how that manifests is completely unique but its influenced and conditioned by our environments!  BB I would say when its done to an extreme is unhealthy for us overall, in moderation it is fine and healthy for the body to have stress laid upon it, but looking in the mirror, and constantly comparing your body to others is not so healthy!

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@bambi Either @Davino forgot the Health, Fitness, Nutrition, Supplements section exists or it's part of his MASTER PLAN

I was contemplating it from the POV of substance use and the states of Consciousness they produce.

Steroids produce Strong States of Consciousness

[Keryo Koffa]

@Davino Your face produces Strong States of Consciousness!

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

My point is that insofar as there isn't bodybuilding in nature, it's stupid to say it can be the only life path for certain persons given that the brain isn't even made for this activity at all.

Lmao, such a weak point. Are there phones in nature?

Are there buildings in nature?

What is the difference between natural and artificial?

Is a beehive natural? It's done by bees, by nature, isn't then cities the same? So with fungi growing and making it's ecosystem, where is the line? There's really none, you are trying to make a point on nature that doesn't hold.

Nature may have produced the best videogame player in the fifth BC but videogames didn't exist back then. Every part of reality may be suited for another without the prerequisite of preexisting in "nature"

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It's like defend bs jobs because it would be the only path for some people to the extent of their circumstances (financial situation if bodybuilding is a survival strategy, narcissistic flaws and psychological situation in general, etc.) , it's twisted.

Why so much hate lmao?

How hard it is to understand that some people love bodybuilding? Have you ever gone to the gym?

I have very healthy friends that love such lifestyle.

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Not only your attitude is feminine (brush people the right way) but dangerous, doping is dangerous and body building is objectively an horrible way of life, a dirty delirium.

It's only so I'd you value health more than bodybuilding.

For example, have you ever gone all the night partying? You have preferred party to your health and a good night sleep. 

So now you come and go judge everyone like a purist for not valuing health as you do. Everyone puts the line where they want, you don't get to say anything. In fact you lack the awareness to see this whole mechanism playing out.

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

He is nor particularly an exemple + he is also and especially known for his films.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is ironically the best example in this conversation. If you care to know his life story. His deep passion for bodybuilding since a very young age and the obsessive determination to become the best in the world at it.

Later the films came, like a side hobby.

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

My brain is saying to me that it's positive to snort heroin

Be careful they don't put joints in your drinks when you go partying.

I imagine you are super healthy, no drugs, no alcohol, no sugar, consistent sleeping routine, sport (but no bodybuilding) and all the rest.

My point is that you're trying to absolutize a relative bias of yours. I may agree to some extent with that bias and see the intelligence behind it but I clearly see it's just a bias and that other people work according to different bias and that's totally fine and is the richness of existence

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

No no for everybody, unless it's a survival strategy but even here it doesn't make bodybuilding more sustainable.

No their is a human nature and some energetic (both genetic and epigenetic) variations which constitute personas and character in general of individuals.

Nobody is programmed to do bodybuilding, it makes 0 sense.

There's people born in this planet with such genetics that it would be a crime if they didn't do bodybuilding.

[What Am I]

If I were ever to use exogenous testosterone, the furthest I'd push it is slightly supraphysiological. It's predictable that going way outside the natural range would produce crazy cascading effects. The description in the video sounds pretty hellish.

[Davino]

9 minutes ago, What Am I said:

 The description in the video sounds pretty hellish.

Yes, really wild 

[bambi]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

I was contemplating it from the POV of substance use and the states of Consciousness they produce.

Steroids produce Strong States of Consciousness

This is compeltely nonsensical. Every moment and every thing is producing states of conciousness. Sex produces strong states of conciousness, but we wouldnt post it in this sub-forum.

[Davino]

If they wanna change it from subforum it's fine for me, no big deal.

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

Lmao, such a weak point. Are there phones in nature?

Are there buildings in nature?

What is the difference between natural and artificial?

Is a beehive natural? It's done by bees, by nature, isn't then cities the same? So with fungi growing and making it's ecosystem, where is the line? There's really none, you are trying to make a point on nature that doesn't hold.

Nature may have produced the best videogame player in the fifth BC but videogames didn't exist back then. Every part of reality may be suited for another without the prerequisite of preexisting in "nature"

You don't get it at all. 

You have claimed that bodybuilding was the only reason to living for some persons, i say that it's dumb because bodybuilding is a recent phenomenon and there is no reasons bodybuilders couldn't fulfill themselves by others activities.

It's not like there were a "bodybuilding" neural pathway, it doesn't make sense.

Idk i'm i'm clear.

2 hours ago, Davino said:

Why so much hate lmao?

I have no hate at all.

2 hours ago, Davino said:

How hard it is to understand that some people love bodybuilding? Have you ever gone to the gym?

I have very healthy friends that love such lifestyle.

That's not the point.

2 hours ago, Davino said:

It's only so I'd you value health more than bodybuilding.

For example, have you ever gone all the night partying? You have preferred party to your health and a good night sleep. 

Yes, my only point from the beginning is that steroids are dangerous.

I've haven't said the opposite of what you say actually.

2 hours ago, Davino said:

So now you come and go judge everyone like a purist for not valuing health as you do. Everyone puts the line where they want, you don't get to say anything. In fact you lack the awareness to see this whole mechanism playing out.

Ditto

2 hours ago, Davino said:

Arnold Schwarzenegger is ironically the best example in this conversation. If you care to know his life story. His deep passion for bodybuilding since a very young age and the obsessive determination to become the best in the world at it.

I don't care about Arnold. He do what he want.

It don't contradict what i said.

2 hours ago, Davino said:

Later the films came, like a side hobby.

Be careful they don't put joints in your drinks when you go partying.

I imagine you are super healthy, no drugs, no alcohol, no sugar, consistent sleeping routine, sport (but no bodybuilding) and all the rest.

My point is that you're trying to absolutize a relative bias of yours. I may agree to some extent with that bias and see the intelligence behind it but I clearly see it's just a bias and that other people work according to different bias and that's totally fine and is the richness of existence

There's people born in this planet with such genetics that it would be a crime if they didn't do bodybuilding.

Ok.

I affirmed the fact that steroids are dangerous, and you ego went off on a limb with the idea that I was a dictator who wanted to prevent some persons to do something.

Peoples do what they want i don't mind, it's not what i talked about.

[Davino]

@Schizophonia Steroids are dangerous.

Driving a car is dangerous. Yet there are formula one drivers.

The best drivers in the world take that risk. That's what it takes to be the best driver in the world; being fine with immense pain and even death to pursue your passion.

I don't know if you have experienced this level of commitment in life. I can empathise.

 

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Schizophonia Steroids are dangerous.

Driving a car is dangerous. Yet there are formula one drivers.

The best drivers in the world take that risk. That's what it takes to be the best driver in the world; being fine with immense pain and even death to pursue your passion.

I don't know if you have experienced this level of commitment in life. I can empathise.

 

Steroids directly induces damages.

Car accident is just a rare eventuality. 

[Davino]

@Schizophonia Can't you see the meta point beyond the example?

Nevermind 

[bambi]

What they're saying, Davino, is that using steroids is essentially an unhealthy coping mechanism for low self-esteem and a need for validation. Equating this with driving or other naturally occurring dangers is fallacious (false equivalence)

Further you mentioning the word meta screams insecurity, and an appeal to concepts you dont truly understand in an attempt to seem smart when backed into an intellectually weak position

Edited August 16 by bambi

[Carl-Richard]

 

[Davino]

56 minutes ago, bambi said:

What they're saying, Davino, is that using steroids is essentially an unhealthy coping mechanism for low self-esteem and a need for validation. Equating this with driving or other naturally occurring dangers is fallacious (false equivalence)

I get what he is saying.

I don't know if he's getting what I'm saying.

In the same way, you misunderstood my comment regarding Strong state of consciousness. It was a joke because steroids make you strong.

2 hours ago, bambi said:

Further you mentioning the word meta screams insecurity, and an appeal to concepts you dont truly understand in an attempt to seem smart when backed into an intellectually weak position

If someone is unable to understand the implications of my example and look to the moon instead of the finger, I find meaningless to continue the conversation. My impression was that he's using rationalisation games, which I have no interest in.

My job is done in this thread.

 

[Schizophonia]

18 hours ago, Davino said:

 

Nevermind 

Yes 👍