Existence is a mindfuck

[Scholar]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure. I'm sure that if today the doctor told you that you had stage 4 melanoma, you would be in perfect harmony and your mind would flow freely 24/7. It is precisely that kind of mental attitude that you just expressed that I was referring to with "absence of lies."

You will not be in perfect harmony forever. You will die and then just be a fruitfly that suffers. There is no escaping this.

 

You're just scared of suffering and are trying to eliminated it from reality because of how obsessed you are with it.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Scholar said:

 

 

7 minutes ago, Scholar said:

You're just scared of suffering and are trying to eliminated it from reality because of how obsessed you are with it.

Why do you assume that? 

[Scholar]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why do you assume that? 

It's evident from what you say. You attribute spiritual meaning, the ultimate spiritual meaning, to freeing yourself from suffering.

You can attribute spiritual meaning to anything, that's your choice.

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, Scholar said:

It's evident from what you say. You attribute spiritual meaning, the ultimate spiritual meaning, to freeing yourself from suffering.

You can attribute spiritual meaning to anything, that's your choice.

I didn't say the word suffering. Spiritual evolution is freeing yourself of the shell of the identity. 

[Scholar]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I didn't say the word suffering. Spiritual evolution is freeing yourself of the shell of the identity. 

Ah, that's why the argument you used to undermined my view was based on suffering.

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Scholar said:

You are literally just making up those chains in your mind. There are no chains,

I just said that this is wrong, there are energetic barriers, pretending that are just an illusion is useless. So I gave an example about a diagnosis of a disease, which directly attacks identity, since being human there is inherently the desire to survive, which is the basis of identity.

Do you think that this is not the case, that the barriers are only imaginary? Maybe it is that way for you, but not for the vast majority. We humans have a difficult path, completely attached to identification, layer after layer. Being a human is not the same as being a bird, for example, and with these two patterns of existence being so different, it is logical to think that there will be infinitely different patterns of existence.

What I said is that being human, freedom is not given, it is conquered, and lying to oneself is a guarantee of failure.

[Scholar]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I just said that this is wrong, there are energetic barriers, pretending that are just an illusion is useless. So I gave an example about a diagnosis of a disease, which directly attacks identity, since being human there is inherently the desire to survive, which is the basis of identity.

Do you think that this is not the case, that the barriers are only imaginary? Maybe it is that way for you, but not for the vast majority. We humans have a difficult path, completely attached to identification, layer after layer. Being a human is not the same as being a bird, for example, and with these two patterns of existence being so different, it is logical to think that there will be infinitely different patterns of existence.

What I said is that being human, freedom is not given, it is conquered, and lying to oneself is a guarantee of failure.

No, what is an illusion is calling them "shackles". They just are what they are. Nothing wrong with identity or survival.

[Inliytened1]

20 hours ago, Hojo said:

Another crazy thing is if you were an inter dimensional fruit fly you didnt know you were one when you were one. While being one reality would be uniquely tailored to the fruit fly and you would have just been you like the feeling you are having with human experience. The experience of being a human and inter dimensional fly cannot be defined except for when you are it. To the fruit fly the human is the fruit fly.

And there isn't even such thing as a fruit fly.  It's just a human label.  A story.  Even calling existence existence has gone too far.

Edited August 9 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Scholar said:

No, what is an illusion is calling them "shackles". They just are what they are. Nothing wrong with identity or survival.

If you want to live your whole life trapped in the prison of ego, no problem. If you want to open yourself to the totality, you must transcend them

[Ishanga]

11 hours ago, Scholar said:

There is no need to get out of anything. Liberate yourself from what, exactly? Existence, being?

Yes there is, You see pretty well everyone cannot Live Infinity while here on Earth and Embodied, most can only Touch Infinity, so since that is Fact, then You still have to deal with this Body and Mind You have with all its built in software/karma attached to it... Do You still Eat, Shit, Work, have Pain, Laugh, Sleep, Wake up, etc etc??? You still have to deal with all of this and everything outside Yourself, don't let anyone tell You otherwise...

So You do have to get out of something, and be Liberated, because You've only Touched the Infinite, and are not in it...no one here is, only a few have actually gone there and came back or are still on Earth..

[Javfly33]

On 9/8/2024 at 11:14 AM, Princess Arabia said:

 

@Javfly33See that. NOW. Keep rambling.

@Princess Arabia Dont get your point princess 

[Javfly33]

On 9/8/2024 at 11:46 AM, Scholar said:

There is no need to get out of anything. Liberate yourself from what, exactly? Existence, being?

@Scholar why you think you are experiencing a human body?

 

That which is Unlimited and unbounded has picked Up certain limits and bounds.

 

Freedom from what? Freedom from anything that is not the Core, the Intelligence, the initial unbound undefinied emptiness.

 

Freedom from memory. Your Body IS made out of memory.

Thats why you picked It Up. And you got identified with It because your intelligence is not at a point of Self Independence, is at a point of identification and karmic bound.

 

IS because your Karmic bonds you picked Up precisely the body you have now. 

If you Liberate Yourself from memory, then you are free from EVERYTHING in this creation. 

Edited August 14 by Javfly33

[Scholar]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

@Scholar why you think you are experiencing a human body?

 

That which is Unlimited and unbounded has picked Up certain limits and bounds.

 

Freedom from what? Freedom from anything that is not the Core, the Intelligence, the initial unbound undefinied emptiness.

 

Freedom from memory. Your Body IS made out of memory.

Thats why you picked It Up. And you got identified with It because your intelligence is not at a point of Self Independence, is at a point of identification and karmic bound.

 

IS because your Karmic bonds you picked Up precisely the body you have now. 

If you Liberate Yourself from memory, then you are free from EVERYTHING in this creation. 

This is all bias. Reality is perfect as it is. There are infinite beings who will live "unawakened" lifes, who have done so for eternity and will continue to do so for eternity. There is nothing fundamentally special about awakening.

You will experience everything anyways.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

@Princess Arabia Dont get your point princess 

Just saying that liberation is now. It's not about seeking it but recognizing it. The falling away not adding on. 

[Javfly33]

43 minutes ago, Scholar said:

This is all bias. Reality is perfect as it is. There are infinite beings who will live "unawakened" lifes, who have done so for eternity and will continue to do so for eternity. There is nothing fundamentally special about awakening.

You will experience everything anyways.

Not really. Reality is whatever It is right now.

Is not perfect or imperfect. Is a phenomena that is off the charts of any mental definition your Mind might come up with.

Reality is Perfect is something the ego creates, ego creates and needs meaning so It decides Reality is Perfect.

 

"Intelligence creates memory".

That which is memory can not define Intelligence.

 

20 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Just saying that liberation is now. It's not about seeking it but recognizing it. The falling away not adding on. 

@Princess Arabia Definetely 🙏👌

Edited August 14 by Javfly33