High quality women are naturally nurturing? Or is a culture-belief?

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, TheGod said:

The only reason why women have value for men is because of pussy. Truth is brutal. If women were vaginaless this topic would not exist in the first place. 
But of course women will deny this and guys as well as long as they want to get laid 😂
 

Even if you were correct, which you're not, so what. Where is the woman you're talking about. Her hair, her shoulder, her feet, her toes, her breasts, her fingernails, her ass, her pussy, her.......where? Aren't those all of her, so who cares. I don't have to deny what you said, because it doesn't matter. You just gave pussy value by your comment, why should I deny that.

BTW, I've been with men who knows nothing about my pussy, never saw it, touched it, tasted it or entered it and i was still  valuable to them . Many, many times different men. I've said this on the forum a few times I'm a working girl and I barely have sex and i provide lots of value. If I didn't i wouldn't be getting paid. You said if women were vagina less we wouldn't be discussing this? Go tell that to the sexy tranny escort with a penis who is also valuable to men who thinks she's female and doesn't have a vagina. You guys think you know anything, you don't; not in your little bubble world of how you view the world and the people that's in it. Plenty of people different from you and plenty are into way different things than what you're into. You'd be surprised of the possibilities that are out there and the different kinds of people engaging in things you couldn't even dream of.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Staples said:

Men are defined by women just as much as women are defined by men.

A high value man is completely defined by what women value.

Most of men's accomplishments are only possible because they wanted women.

Many people pursue success, fitness, health just because it will get them sex and love.

Men are only 'leaders' because women generally desire leaders. So who's leading who really?

There is an intelligence to their 'bitchiness' and 'coldness' you fail to see.

Brilliant-e. Excellent-e. No more needs to be said-e. 

Edited August 7 by Princess Arabia

[BlueOak]

If you equate people to a value judgment, of course there can be high value in both genders. This is just a series of traits people are rating a value. A lot of people rate women on youth, beauty, loyalty, trust, honesty, etc. If you want a family, then we select for nurturing qualities, and supportive qualities in a long-term partner if we are sensible.

Outside of value judgments, which I don't use quantitatively but as a guide: if you learn yourself and get yourself to a place where you are reasonably balanced in life, then you can go find the woman for you. You'll always be attracting your match anyway if you get out to meet enough women. Then, for me, she'd be a high-value woman if she embodied the traits I look for.

Loyalty, Integrity, Honesty, Playfulness, Supportiveness, Beauty, Intelligence, and Creativity. - Obviously, I'll compromise on some but not the first three.

Skip the traps of marriage, of course, because it's archaic and creates such trauma in people. If you want to make sure your partner is provided for after you are no longer there, you can put some money or income aside for that purpose weekly/monthly into a separate joint account. If I ever was with a woman long term again, she'd take me at my word that if we did part, I would help her get set up if I could; if she hadn't cheated or lied, but that's the first qualities I match with loyalty and integrity.

I give the above to talk about why certain qualities in women are the most valuable. If you are building a life with someone, you can't do it without those first three qualities.

Edited August 7 by BlueOak

[NoSelfSelf]

9 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Is this why I've made a living for so many years in the field I'm in, because women have no value. You're talking about bringing out qualities in a woman when all that's needed to be of value to some men is to be an attractive woman. Right or wrong moral or immoral is a personal thing. Not discussing that part. Plenty of women have made a living from just being a woman and you say no such thing as a high value woman. Not in your world but in plenty of other men's world they are.

I never said women dont have value thats false,im saying there is no such thing as a high value woman or a man its a lie.There is a man and the man detirmins womens value based on what type of man he is,based on what type he is he will bring out that type of woman.

[NoSelfSelf]

10 hours ago, TheGod said:

You actually look like malaca. Are u Greek ? 

Its easy to check out my profile to see where im from.

7 hours ago, Staples said:

Men are defined by women just as much as women are defined by men.

A high value man is completely defined by what women value.

Most of men's accomplishments are only possible because they wanted women.

Many people pursue success, fitness, health just because it will get them sex and love.

Men are only 'leaders' because women generally desire leaders. So who's leading who really?

There is an intelligence to their 'bitchiness' and 'coldness' you fail to see.

Nah no man is ever defined by a woman then he wouldnt be a man in the first place.

You care about women and what they are doing and defined by them thats why you aint no man simple as that.

Man is a leader because he leads himself ta-daaa...

[Staples]

1 hour ago, NoSelfSelf said:

ah no man is ever defined by a woman then he wouldnt be a man in the first place.

You care about women and what they are doing and defined by them thats why you aint no man simple as that.

Man is a leader because he leads himself ta-daaa...

You sure?

Ever desired intimacy with a woman? Or cared how a woman thought you looked? Or sought wealth in part because a woman might appreciate it?

Any such behaviour is obviously defined by your appreciation for women.

And women do all their shenanigans because of their appreciation for men.

You'd have to be a total genderless celebate to not be defined (or influenced, if you prefer) by women.

I feel a patriarchal bias in your responses. A wise man understands he would be a rat without women to inspire him.

You'll have to renounce women for life if you disagree. 😉

Edited August 7 by Staples

[NoSelfSelf]

@Staples I dont know why you justifying weakness but to each their own.

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Staples said:

You sure?

Ever desired intimacy with a woman? Or cared how a woman thought you looked? Or sought wealth in part because a woman might appreciate it?

Any such behaviour is obviously defined by your appreciation for women.

And women do all their shenanigans because of their appreciation for men.

You'd have to be a total genderless celebate to not be defined (or influenced, if you prefer) by women.

I feel a patriarchal bias in your responses. A wise man understands he would be a rat without women to inspire him.

You'll have to renounce women for life if you disagree. 😉

You are basically describing beggar behaviour (what some here call 'Beta', although I dont like that word). The times ive been successful with women were precisely when I didn´t care about them at all. 

Not in a bad way that I don´t appreciate them, more than I dont need them, in a sense within you are not reaching out for validation. 

58 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Staples I dont know why you justifying weakness but to each their own.

@NoSelfSelf I´m with you in this one 

Edited August 7 by Javfly33

[Staples]

@Javfly33

1 hour ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Staples I dont know why you justifying weakness but to each their own.

If that is what you guys are taking away from what I am saying, you don't understand and that's a shame. I'm not giving you some gronk game advice.

I am saying that your desire for women and the way they handle your desire, is a social pressure that forces you to become a better man. Not a weaker man. That's fucking empowering for both genders! What's not to get? Where did this weakness crap come from?

51 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

You are basically describing beggar behaviour (what some here call 'Beta', although I dont like that word). The times ive been successful with women were precisely when I didn´t care about them at all. 

Not in a bad way that I don´t appreciate them, more than I dont need them, in a sense within you are not reaching out for validation. 

That's a misunderstanding of what I am saying. That's just leading, setting the frame, being on your own path. Basic guy shit. I am not talking about some form of simping. You don't see that the reason you value being self-validating and masculine is because it perfectly complements the feminine energy you desire. If you didn't desire women on some level, having 'success' with them makes no sense.

Or you can both continue to take the role women play in your self-development for granted.  It's your mind, do what you want with it. Just leave the women in my life out of it 

Edited August 7 by Staples

[Keryo Koffa]

If you do wanna describe the metaphysical forces that manifest themselves through psychological tendencies, then:

Femininity acts as the introspective creative medium for masculinity's propulsive drive to expand

But there's a difference between psychic forces and gender. Culture and evolution adopt these in their own way

Every human is both and looks for one's personal counter-balance. There are no rules, nobody's entitled to another

We're all whole and the need to seek out each other arises due to our limited identity. Beyond lies unconditional individuality

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Staples said:

@Javfly33

If that is what you guys are taking away from what I am saying, you don't understand and that's a shame. I'm not giving you some gronk game advice.

I am saying that your desire for women and the way they handle your desire, is a social pressure that forces you to become a better man. Not a weaker man. That's fucking empowering for both genders! What's not to get? Where did this weakness crap come from?

That's a misunderstanding of what I am saying. That's just leading, setting the frame, being on your own path. Basic guy shit. I am not talking about some form of simping. You don't see that the reason you value being self-validating and masculine is because it perfectly complements the feminine energy you desire. If you didn't desire women on some level, having 'success' with them makes no sense.

Or you can both continue to take the role women play in your self-development for granted.  It's your mind, do what you want with it. Just leave the women in my life out of it 

What you're describing is strength, what they're describing is "been there, didn't work out so now it's my way". 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Staples said:

. Just leave the women in my life out of it

I could tell you had women in your life; probably quality women too. Can always tell the ones that do.

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

I never said women dont have value thats false,

Correct, you never said that. I interpreted it as that. 

[gettoefl]

14 hours ago, TheGod said:

The only reason why women have value for me is because of pussy. Truth to me is brutal. If women I met were vaginaless this topic would not exist in the first place. 
But of course women will deny this to people like me and certain guys as well as long as they want to get laid 😂

 

THERE FIXED IT ... YOU'RE WELCOME ... MAKE SURE TO APPEND TO YOUR DATING PROFILES 😂

Edited August 7 by gettoefl

[NoSelfSelf]

@Staples Man doesnt need a social pressure to be a better man,his passion and care for himself pushes him to grow on its own.

Weakness is caring about what women thinks about you period, there is no way around it ,every move you gonna make is you looking at her, im strongmaning now: its like asking for a guard in prison "is it okay i go to a bathroom please".

Edited August 7 by NoSelfSelf

[Javfly33]

20 hours ago, Staples said:

@Javfly33

If that is what you guys are taking away from what I am saying, you don't understand and that's a shame. I'm not giving you some gronk game advice.

I am saying that your desire for women and the way they handle your desire, is a social pressure that forces you to become a better man. Not a weaker man. That's fucking empowering for both genders! What's not to get? Where did this weakness crap come from?

@Staples @Princess Arabia The phrases "Social pressure" and "they handle your Desire" do not match with "Empowering".

Or, you have put quite a low bar on the Word empowering.

[Spiral]

On 06/08/2024 at 8:16 PM, TheGod said:

As long as you subscribe to values of society. In my country high value women are those who know how to cook, take care of husbands and raise kids. None of these is aligned with my values so for me these women have 0 value. 

No it doesn’t matter. I personally don’t care about diamonds. To me they are just shine rocks. My society values them and therefore sets the price. 
 

So I still have to pay the same price as everyone else regardless. 
 

Sure to you have don’t have any value, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t high value women in general.

[Spiral]

On 06/08/2024 at 7:51 PM, NoSelfSelf said:

You put value on things,high value is just way to sell things : be high value to get women! same as : buy axe spray get women!

I don’t understand what you mean. Not all things of high value can be bought and sometimes are free. Like air.

Edited August 8 by Spiral

[Lila9]

High quality women in my perception:

1. Authentic, follow their hearts, and don’t let social trends and expectations dictate their lives.

2. Don’t put men or relationships with men at the center of their lives because they understand that there is more to life.

3. Are generous and kind to other women, they don’t see other women as competitors or threats.
They realize the sneaky ways patriarchal society tries to separate women from each other because women having good relationships with other women is powerful and a threat to patriarchy.

4. Are good and passionate lovers but have zero tolerance for boundary-crossing, disrespect, and abuse.

5. Are connected to their intuition and femininity, maintaining a healthy balance of their feminine and masculine energies.

[NoSelfSelf]

@Spiral What im saying is that term high value is just another label used to sell you things.Like axe spray commercial ,bunch of women showing up wanting you all of a sudden when you put it on.Its all made up and using women as a way so you can buy the course,even though its for the women and not because you want to get more money for yourself.Buy gym membership for the women everything for the woman its bs way to sell you things.