UK riots

[Consept]

11 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

White men commit these crimes individually whereas the Muslim men commit these crimes in groups or gangs, this is not a one off crime or a stat, it becomes a cultural thing at some point. That's what Robinson is pointing out. 

If you look back on the thread, I posted links to numerous pedophile rings with all white people involved. 

Also 90% of all child sexual abuse conviction are of white men in the UK, does that become a cultural thing that white people do?

If 99% of Muslim men are not involved in grooming gangs how can that make it a cultural thing?

A home office report says that most sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men as well https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

Edited August 14 by Consept

[Buck Edwards]

8 minutes ago, Consept said:

If you look back on the thread, I posted links to numerous pedophile rings with all white people involved. 

Also 90% of all child sexual abuse conviction are of white men in the UK, does that become a cultural thing that white people do?

If 99% of Muslim men are not involved in grooming gangs how can that make it a cultural thing?

A home office report says that most sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men as well https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

Then why you don't explain the no go zones. 

[Consept]

5 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Then why you don't explain the no go zones. 

What are no go zones?

[Alex M]

1 hour ago, Buck Edwards said:

Then why you don't explain the no go zones. 

Like where?

[Alex M]

1 hour ago, Consept said:

 It doesn't invalidate grooming gangs or radicals but don't you agree it puts his motives into question? 

For example if we talk about sexual abuse, 90% of convictions for child sexual abuse are white men in the UK. This isn't to dismiss that other demographics commit these horrible crimes but the bulk of the problem definitely seems to be white men. Even within the edl a senior member was jailed for for 17 years for abusing a 10 year old child - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/edl-english-defence-league-leigh-mcmillan-jailed-paedophile-old-bailey-a8231231.html

Robinson did not even speak on the issue or condemn this person in his own organisation. There were others as well. 

So it seems like his issue is with Muslims directly not necessarily because they are commiting crimes, although I'm not dismissing their crimes. If the argument is the police covered it up or didn't care, that is something that unfortunately has been happening with white men for years eg Jimmy Saville. It strikes me as strange that Robinson only picks the Muslim demographic to attack about sexual abuse. 

What would be more logical is that he wants Muslims and other immigrants out and is using crimes that the worst within the demographic are commiting to stir up division and hatred. 

Spot on. Of course, sex crimes are not selective to race/ethnicity. If people choose to believe this, they are rather stupid. In the UK, being mostly white, of course, the majority of sex crimes will be committed by white people; this is rather obvious to you and me. But let's ignore that because there is a Muslim grooming gang over there.

[Cat_eyes]

20 minutes ago, Alex M said:

Spot on. Of course, sex crimes are not selective to race/ethnicity. If people choose to believe this, they are rather stupid. In the UK, being mostly white, of course, the majority of sex crimes will be committed by white people; this is rather obvious to you and me. But let's ignore that because there is a Muslim grooming gang over there.

So what is the rate of sex crimes by immigrants to the immigrant population? 

we have enough to worry about with Brits committing crime, and to also keep accepting mass amounts of undocumented men into the country to run around on top of that? Whilst violence against women and girls in the U.K. is currently at national emergency? 

An 11 year old Tourist!! girl was just stabbed in broad daylight in the centre of London yesterday, whilst people are currently being locked up for things they said on social media, the U.K. government is a joke! They don’t care about the people. 

[Cat_eyes]

@Consept did you watch the talk I shared or the documentary?

if you watch that he explains why it’s Muslim groups he’s most worried about because of his experiences. 

It’s questionable that he has a connection to someone from Israel but i’m more concerned about the coverups and two tier policing.

Why would this happen it makes no sense. 
 

[Alex M]

5 minutes ago, Cat_eyes said:

So what is the rate of sex crimes by immigrants to the immigrant population? 

we have enough to worry about with Brits committing crime, and to also keep accepting mass amounts of undocumented men into the country to run around on top of that? Whilst violence against women and girls in the U.K. is currently at national emergency? 

An 11 year old Tourist!! girl was just stabbed in broad daylight in the centre of London yesterday, whilst people are currently being locked up for things they said on social media, the U.K. government is a joke! They don’t care about the people. 

The rates I can't answer.

I grew up in the next town where there was a big Asian grooming gang in Rochdale. You will find a significant percentage of those convicted are 2nd and 3rd generation Pakistani men. They haven't just turned up on a boat undocumented; they were born here (I'm not making excuses, just pointing something out). In the case of Rochdale, there was also Romanian and Albanian gangs were also involved. So, it's not so selective to Asians. The problem needs to be dealt with, but don't be fooled into thinking it's an all-Asian problem.

I'm sure the Romanian who stabbed the girl will charged with attempted murder. I don't think he'll dodge the law and be treated differently. I'm not sure why the government is a joke here. Knife crime is a problem for sure and a complex issue to solve.

[Alex M]

10 minutes ago, Cat_eyes said:

two tier policing.

There's also been people sent to prison this week for attacking far-right people and also spreading mis-information online that the far-right are attacking when they are not. Both sides of the coin have be jailed.

[Cat_eyes]

1 minute ago, Alex M said:

They haven't just turned up on a boat undocumented; they were born here

They are arriving on boats now though, 800 this week, all men, maybe a few women. They also pay for those boat rides and are making videos on TikTok whilst on the boats.  Doesn’t look like a genuine refugee to me. 

But anyway doesn’t this kinda make it worse then? It proves they never integrated and don’t follow British laws even after 3 generations  

Then the police let them get away with stuff of course it’s gonna build resentment with the white community in those areas over years. 

but now that those people have lashed out, all of a sudden it’s a big crack down on social media and rioting. People through the courts in 48 hours. 
why can’t there be a crack down like that for knife crime and other things? 

It doesn’t add up. 

[Cat_eyes]

2 minutes ago, Alex M said:

There's also been people sent to prison this week for attacking far-right people and also spreading mis-information online that the far-right are attacking when they are not. Both sides of the coin have be jailed.

Yeah I saw that a few had been arrested which is good. 

[Consept]

2 minutes ago, Alex M said:

I grew up in the next town where there was a big Asian grooming gang in Rochdale. You will find a significant percentage of those convicted are 2nd and 3rd generation Pakistani men.

Exactly, i was gonna say the issue is often put on all muslim or Asian men but its very specific to 2nd and 3rd generation Pakistani men. It is an issue within that community, when i worked for a youth club it was in a Pakistani area of town so it was pretty much 99% Pakistani young males, as far as i know none have ever been involved in sex crimes but we did have an informational talk about attitudes toward sex and what i noticed is that some did have a kind of victim blaming attitude and slightly regressive attitude toward women. This attitude is something they are working on within the community and I wouldnt say its prevalent but it is there in a minority. I would say also i have heard similar attitudes with white and black people as well. 

28 minutes ago, Cat_eyes said:

So what is the rate of sex crimes by immigrants to the immigrant population? 

we have enough to worry about with Brits committing crime, and to also keep accepting mass amounts of undocumented men into the country to run around on top of that? Whilst violence against women and girls in the U.K. is currently at national emergency? 

An 11 year old Tourist!! girl was just stabbed in broad daylight in the centre of London yesterday, whilst people are currently being locked up for things they said on social media, the U.K. government is a joke! They don’t care about the people. 

I want to make an overall point here, so im not going to answer your questions directly. Everyone commits crime, no matter that their race or religion. The type of crime might vary between demographics and cultures, rich and poor, but overall people are going to commit crimes. If we start playing the game of this culture commits more of this crime, we're basically getting into an argument of whos worse and to actually work that out we'd have to add up all crimes, make exceptions for poverty etc and still it would be quite pointless. 

The reason why certain crimes are talked about more is because those that dont want to see immigrants, specifically brown immigrants in the UK promote these stories, such as no-go zones (which by no means exist as ive been to some). This is a way to put suspicion and make it seem like certain people are more dangerous to justify putting in laws in place that will make life harder for those worse off. Its an under-handed way of trying to create an argument for your immigration policy. The fact is if you have to do all that probably the facts are not on your side about immigration. 

Immigration itself is a separate argument, the crime stuff is basically a red herring. The immigration argument is basically, UK needs immigrants to keep it going, but theyre not happy with how many are being let in so they need to change it. Asylum seekers is also a separate issue, this is effectively a humanitarian endeavor, where if someone needs asylum because of war (most likely Britain was involved in), then they can come to England for Asylum, this is part of a Humanitarian budget that has always been set for this type of thing. 

31 minutes ago, Cat_eyes said:

@Consept did you watch the talk I shared or the documentary?

if you watch that he explains why it’s Muslim groups he’s most worried about because of his experiences. 

It’s questionable that he has a connection to someone from Israel but i’m more concerned about the coverups and two tier policing.

Why would this happen it makes no sense. 
 

To be sure there were plenty of cover ups across the board for white men. The reason why police were reluctant to investigate certain cases is basically because theyd be accused of racism. This is mainly because since 9/11 there has been a crazy amount of racism toward muslims. But its not their fault that the crimes werent investigated, they shouldve been and maybe if there wasnt racism in the first place they wouldve been.  

 

[Alex M]

3 minutes ago, Cat_eyes said:

They are arriving on boats now though, 800 this week, all men, maybe a few women. They also pay for those boat rides and are making videos on TikTok whilst on the boats.  Doesn’t look like a genuine refugee to me. 

But anyway doesn’t this kinda make it worse then? It proves they never integrated and don’t follow British laws even after 3 generations  

Then the police let them get away with stuff of course it’s gonna build resentment with the white community in those areas over years. 

but now that those people have lashed out, all of a sudden it’s a big crack down on social media and rioting. People through the courts in 48 hours. 
why can’t there be a crack down like that for knife crime and other things? 

It doesn’t add up. 

I can't comment on the people turning up on boats because I don't know the facts and figures. It is an issue, for sure, and it does need to be fixed. I'm sure there will be people who are not genuine and people who are. There needs to be a proper system to process these people and send the non-genuine people back.

You'll always get folks that break the law (aside from race/ethnicity). 1st or 10th generation, it doesn't matter. Sounds like you are asking anyone not British (this alone is a complex matter. How do you define this? It's not so easy) never to commit a crime. But is it okay for the native 'integrated' folks to commit crimes?

I think the initial crackdown was to try to stop the rioting and get it under control, which it's done.

Knife crime is another complex issue. Maybe @Consept can answer better than I could; he's worked with youth projects.

[Alex M]

30 minutes ago, Cat_eyes said:

They are arriving on boats now though, 800 this week, all men, maybe a few women. They also pay for those boat rides and are making videos on TikTok whilst on the boats.  Doesn’t look like a genuine refugee to me. 

I don't know what country you are in, but this podcast is a good listen if you are more interested (if you can access it): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001z1st You will realise there are many elements to the problem of migrants on boats. People smuggling is a big business. 800 this week, you said x £5000 / £10000 a head.

So, the traffickers want people to come to the UK. I'm sure they will sell the dream as if the UK were the greatest place on earth. They are making money doing this. It's in the smuggler's survival agenda to do this.

[Cat_eyes]

@Alex M

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/5cede69b-a408-47eb-8933-31fb2813ab77 

I agree there needs to be a proper system. 
And yes I know it’s the trafficking gangs making a lot of money, but how can those people afford to pay it? 
idk why everyone wants to come to the U.K. its a sinking ship lol

people are obviously gonna be pissed off when they see things like this: 

 

[Consept]

17 minutes ago, Alex M said:

I don't know what country you are in, but this podcast is a good listen if you are more interested (if you can access it): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001z1st You will realise there are many elements to the problem of migrants on boats. People smuggling is a big business. 800 this week, you said x £5000 / £10000 a head.

So, the traffickers want people to come to the UK. I'm sure they will sell the dream as if the UK were the greatest place on earth. They are making money doing this. It's in the smuggler's survival agenda to do this.

 

6 minutes ago, Cat_eyes said:

I agree there needs to be a proper system. 
And yes I know it’s the trafficking gangs making a lot of money, but how can those people afford to pay it? 
idk why everyone wants to come to the U.K. its a sinking ship lol

people are obviously gonna be pissed off when they see things like this: 

Its true, the UK government, which by the way has been a conservative government for the last 14 years, has not handled the trafficking well at all. If you think about it its really on them to crackdown on the gangs making a fortune smuggling people. But then also if people are not genuine asylum seekers they will get deported anyway. You cant blame the people for wanting a better life but all this is to do with how Britain police immigration. 

Which if you follow from that, they should really be rioting directly at the government, not at normal people or mosques. 

[Cat_eyes]

11 minutes ago, Consept said:

 

Its true, the UK government, which by the way has been a conservative government for the last 14 years, has not handled the trafficking well at all. If you think about it its really on them to crackdown on the gangs making a fortune smuggling people. But then also if people are not genuine asylum seekers they will get deported anyway. You cant blame the people for wanting a better life but all this is to do with how Britain police immigration. 

Which if you follow from that, they should really be rioting directly at the government, not at normal people or mosques. 

Yep exactly. Brexit was supposed to close the borders but instead immigration from non-eu countries sky rocketed. People voted tories again and still no change. Labour is pro-immigration so can’t see them doing anything either, will be very surprised. Now there is a huge divide going on.
People should protest at Downing Street, but they’ll be labelled as far right nazis straight away and arrested. Hard to get the message accross. 

[Cat_eyes]

@Consept the government knows though, they are all on Twitter, any time they post something there is outrage in the comments lol they just choose to ignore it. 

[Alex M]

59 minutes ago, Cat_eyes said:

@Alex M

And yes I know it’s the trafficking gangs making a lot of money, but how can those people afford to pay it?

Many will end up in modern-day slavery, working to pay off a trafficking debt.

The whole situation of immigration is complicated. It needs to be balanced and done healthily to help those in genuine need without allowing the stage red minority to maraud into the country and take advantage of the good-natured people. Individual cases need reviewing and managing correctly. Without expecting it to be 100% perfect.

As said @Consept said we also need immigration to make the country function properly workers are required.  

[Consept]

29 minutes ago, Cat_eyes said:

Yep exactly. Brexit was supposed to close the borders but instead immigration from non-eu countries sky rocketed. People voted tories again and still no change. Labour is pro-immigration so can’t see them doing anything either, will be very surprised. Now there is a huge divide going on.
People should protest at Downing Street, but they’ll be labelled as far right nazis straight away and arrested. Hard to get the message accross. 

Non-eu country migration increased because of how needed immigrants were and are. Nhs and many industries suffered from lack of workers. 

Labour isn't really pro-immigration look at their policy on it, they literally want to stop boats. Where do you get your news from btw? Do you live in England?

People can protest anywhere as long as their not violent people won't get arrested. The reason why these guys were labelled nazi thugs is because they attacked mosques without any reason.