I feel more comfortable running as a Democrat but I have more republican views

[Nemra]

@Emerald

As I can remember, he thinks that gender and sex are the same. Maybe that affects how he thinks about this stuff.

[Keryo Koffa]

@Nemra Depends on the sex, really! (every interpretation of this sentence is valid)

Edited August 20 by Keryo Koffa

[Nemra]

@Keryo Koffa 

If you're a straight male and act gay for a while, do you think you would become attracted to males?

Acting gay can also mean many different things. Often people think being gay means being feminine.

[Keryo Koffa]

@Nemra I don't see any innate barriers to attraction, everybody just prefers different ice cream flavors

Now is the preference for chocolate or strawberry acquired, perpetuated, or genetic? Probably all a bit

Whether it's possible depends on the depth and nature of the psychic structure that's materializing it

Just like ideologies, languages, cultures, and environments, it's a complex interplay of multiple factors

I guess being gay is like being an introvert, sure you can also go outside but "I don't feel like it, ughhh"

Me personally, I cover all spectrums to an extent, though I do reside as an AroAce most of the time
It's like, swing someone my way, and I have no reasons not to flirt, but romance & sex are overrated

Edited August 20 by Keryo Koffa

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

@Emerald

As I can remember, he thinks that gender and sex are the same. Maybe that affects how he thinks about this stuff.

The conclusion he's making about people becoming gay by deciding to change their hormones, still doesn't make sense if that's the premise of his internal logic. 

He's saying you can change your hormones to become gay... but not in the taking HRT sense like trans people who are seeking gender affirming hormone replacements.

That would be the way it would make sense based off of his internal logic in the way that you're mentioning if he's conflating sex and gender and seeing gay and trans as the same thing... and seeking hormone changes to change both.

It's incorrect still. But that would at least make sense by his own internal logic.

In his internal logic, he seems to be under the impression that there's a reset button on the human body/mind that you can deliberately press to change your hormones to become permanently gay.

I keep asking about his rationale because I'm genuinely curious (and mildly amused) at pondering what his internal logic is.

Is it just a decision in your mind and then "BAM!" your hormones change and you're gay?

Is it a magic spell you cast?

Is it a medicine that you take?

Is it something else?

I must know... so that I can get even gayer and rid myself of my pesky opposite sex attractions!  

[Emerald]

17 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

@yetineti Precisely. I can be gay if I want even though I am perfectly straight. You can too with or without going to prison.

The brain is incredibly malleable. Neuroplasticity is a thing. Most people are not conscious of this.

I am not responding to the rest of the crap you were blabbering about. You don't know what you are talking about. 

Do you really think that you could just choose to be attracted to men if you aren't already somewhat attracted to them?

[mattm33]

3 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I must know... so that I can get even gayer and rid myself of my pesky opposite sex attractions!  

That's precisely why he won't tell us how. If everyone knew about this, we'd all be converted and there would be no more families or future. It would be like a gay version of that movie "Children of men".

[Nemra]

@Keryo Koffa

Sure, it's complicated.

But we are talking about whether you can change who you're attracted to.

Also, I'm not talking about how cultural beliefs shape people.

Why do gay people still exist in cultures where homophobia is prevalent?

I think people are discovering, not changing without having deep reasons.

[Emerald]

14 minutes ago, mattm33 said:

That's precisely why he won't tell us how. If everyone knew about this, we'd all be converted and there would be no more families or future. It would be like a gay version of that movie "Children of men".

That's a plot twist. This whole time I thought he was just operating from a place of lacking coherent internal logic.

But in reality, he's got the secret... but is withholding it.  

[Nemra]

@Emerald

Why would even someone want to become gay even if it's possible the way he says? 😏☺️✨ (It doesn't have to be the obvious one)

54 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I must know... so that I can get even gayer and rid myself of my pesky opposite sex attractions!  

😁

Edited August 20 by Nemra

[yetineti]

@EmeraldThe trick is watching something ultra straight and letting the gayness seethe.

What doesn’t kill it makes it stronger.

Works the other way around too fellas! Want to be more straight? Watch 5 minutes of gayness and really let your manhood defend itself.

Besides, if you can’t do that and remain straight, how straight were you really!? Find out! 2x your straight or gayness!

Edited August 21 by yetineti

[Keryo Koffa]

10 hours ago, Nemra said:

Not talking culture but if attraction can be changed. Gay people exist in homophobic cultures too. It's discovering not changing

Hmm... I see what you mean. I see it on different layers, one of which we can call innate/instinctive/intuitive or genetic if you may.

It's more so an expression of a specifically focused potentiality, rather than an absolute barrier, the rose chose to express yellow.

People are drawn to their immediate attraction like moths to the moonlight. Some explore these aspects, and others find it trivial.

I'd say it's still a bandwidth and identity thing, especially when consciously focused upon, including ego backlash if mismatched.

And yet I agree, that similar to how all of our traits, likes, and dislikes are expressed, to some it's a stronger identity than others.

With identity, I include body memory, intuition, attitudes, karma, drive, concurrent experiences, and the journey to authenticity.

[Bobby_2021]

10 hours ago, Emerald said:

Do you really think that you could just choose to be attracted to men if you aren't already somewhat attracted to them?

Yes thank you. That's all I am saying.

This is true with or without hormones for a functional human being. I commented on hormones only because you bought it up. The hormones are merely a reaction to how you respond to external stimuli.

There is fundamentally no difference between a male and a female. Both are social constructions. Once you deconstruct them, nothing is fundamentally different about being attracted to male or female. Both are forms.

I choose to be straight simply because I think it's more functional, healthy amd better for my safety as opposed to being gay.

But I don't expect people to get behind the inner mechanisms and take control of what they get attracted to. Usually they stumble their way though as if they are finding themselves, unaware of the deeper assumptions they are making. I am aware of it. That's all.

[Nemra]

@Bobby_2021

Do you choose to be attracted or not attracted to a table?

(I'm not saying you can't be attracted to it)

Even if you can change what you're attracted to, that doesn't mean everyone can. Maybe you're different in that regard.

I hope you're aware of the underlying reasons why you do it.

Edited August 21 by Nemra

[Nemra]

@Keryo Koffa

I think what makes this stuff confusing is our projection.

[Keryo Koffa]

@Nemra Makes sense. We are attempting to model reality using dualistic statements after all.
It's all person and context-dependent, a mass-reflected direct experience phenomenon.
I'm exploring how malleable the link between the psyche and soma actually is.

The thread overall is rather focused on opposing gender/sex/attraction discrimination.
Which may or may not be strengthened by arguments of "innate nature"
But the end all be all is to stop being a dick about people's relationships. No rationalizations needed.

[Nemra]

@Keryo Koffa 💯👏

Edited August 21 by Nemra

[Bobby_2021]

5 hours ago, Nemra said:

Do you choose to be attracted or not attracted to a table?

Yes of course. That would entail considerably more work than getting attracted to a woman, in which case evolution has did the work for you.

Your biochemistry makes it easier to get attracted to humans than a table.

Deconstruction requires a lot of work almost as much as construction. Lgbtq folks identify with all these things because they spend some time deconstructing these things. But they still have a lot more deconstruction to do.

 @Emerald  Most women could easily get attracted to other women, especially hot ones . I thought it was obvious. If you can't do it then something that happened in your life is blocking it or that your genetics do not allow for such level of openness. If I was a woman I would def be attracted to other women. 

 

[Bobby_2021]

@Keryo Koffa  Think about it like this:

You have a Toyota and Lamborghini at your home. You wake up one day and want to drive a car. 

You can choose to drive a car of your choice. If you want to go long drive you need reliability and roll on with a Toyota. If it's a short ride you might choose a Lambo. That's a conscious decision.

But most people wake up and hop on in whatever car they find, and that's how they "find themselves".

But in reality they have made an unconscious choice to move ahead with a construction without them knowing or denial knowing about it. Both are constructs that are no different from each other fundamentally. 

[Keryo Koffa]

@Bobby_2021 Hmm, like picking the first, most popular car you see at a car dealership? Or even better, borrowing your parents'?