Wanting To Get Into Psychedelics - Beginner

[r0ckyreed]

Hello. I think I am at a point where I am ready to start pursuing psychedelics. I have a friend that has access to psilocybin mushrooms. I would appreciate any general advice. I have stressed concerns in the past about worrying if fentanyl could be laced with mushrooms. I am going to see if I can buy some off of my friend. Any tips on what to do when I get them? Do I need to soak them in salt water or do anything when I buy them or do I just eat them raw as they come in the package? Do I need to store them in the refrigerator or my closet? How long do they last? I plan on getting a food scale and weighing 2 grams to start, and then my intention is to contemplate consciousness. I would appreciate any feedback. 

Also, I heard about growing mushrooms from spores. If anyone has any info on that, I would appreciate it. For context, I have never been drunk or high in my life. Never drank alcohol nor marijuana. 

Thanks.

Edited August 2 by r0ckyreed

[What Am I]

You can just eat them raw. I strongly recommend starting at 1 gram at most, because 2 grams can really surprise you with its strength, depending on individual factors relating to yourself as well as variability in the mushrooms' potency. It's pretty much a guarantee that the current version of yourself can't comprehend how nightmarish a bad trip can be, so it's worth starting slow. You can store them in a cool dark place and they should last for years. Even more ideal would be the addition of an airtight container and a desiccant.

You can go into it with the intention to contemplate consciousness, but I'm guessing you may just end up spending the whole time having your mind blown from your first experience of the extreme alteration of consciousness caused by psychedelics. Especially if it's your first time using any substance at all. Make sure you're in a comfortable location where you don't need to worry about anything for ~4-6 hours.

I'll add on that if your goal is to do the kind of consciousness practices that lead towards enlightenment and that type of thing, 5-MeO-DMT is way more powerful and consistent with pushing you in that direction. Mushrooms can be a chaotic madhouse and a real tossup as to what kind of trip you'll end up having.

Edited August 2 by What Am I

[FlyingLotus]

Lemon tek is the best method.  Lots of videos about it on Youtube.

 

[Asia P]

I suggest to try a very small microdose before a normal dose, or maybe marijuana, just to feel if you are confortable or not in a different state of consciousness

[OBEler]

Start slow. You need to see how set and setting is in check.

Lemon tek from the beginning please. Your stomach will thank you. Eat raw ginger 30 minutes before to eliminate nausea

 

 

[r0ckyreed]

Thanks guys. So I could put them in a blender and make a fruit smoothie out of them? Or would it be better to eat them raw as they are. I don’t want to make them less effective. Thanks.

[What Am I]

Like a few others mentioned, lemon tek is probably best. The acids in the juice supposedly convert the psilocybin to psilocin, so the conversion doesn't have to occur in your body.

It makes them hit harder and quicker, with less unwanted side effects.

Edited August 2 by What Am I

[r0ckyreed]

I think for my first time, I just want to eat them raw. I was planning on making myself a fruit smoothie and eating the mushrooms raw first after I weigh it to 2 grams and then drink a fruit smoothie after I eat them. The other option is that I can put the mushrooms in my fruit smoothie blender and mix it in with a fruit smoothie. I honestly don’t see anything special about lemon tek. It just seems like the exact same thing as me making mushrooms with a fruit smoothie.

[Rigel]

16 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

Hello. I think I am at a point where I am ready to start pursuing psychedelics. I have a friend that has access to psilocybin mushrooms. I would appreciate any general advice. I have stressed concerns in the past about worrying if fentanyl could be laced with mushrooms. I am going to see if I can buy some off of my friend. Any tips on what to do when I get them? Do I need to soak them in salt water or do anything when I buy them or do I just eat them raw as they come in the package? Do I need to store them in the refrigerator or my closet? How long do they last? I plan on getting a food scale and weighing 2 grams to start, and then my intention is to contemplate consciousness. I would appreciate any feedback. 

Also, I heard about growing mushrooms from spores. If anyone has any info on that, I would appreciate it. For context, I have never been drunk or high in my life. Never drank alcohol nor marijuana. 

Thanks.

Every thing you need to know to grow them is on Reddit. Shroomery forum also has all info you need. It’ll take around 300$ of investment to start but gets much cheaper after that. The biggest costs are the pressure cooker & dehydrator. Substrate is pretty cheap and it’s the only thing that you need to buy more of every time. That and isopropyl.

If you know you have legit shrooms then the only left to do is to blend them together to average out the potency. Tea is my preferred method. I don’t eat the flesh.

Edited August 2 by Rigel

[What Am I]

5 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

I think for my first time, I just want to eat them raw. I was planning on making myself a fruit smoothie and eating the mushrooms raw first after I weigh it to 2 grams and then drink a fruit smoothie after I eat them. The other option is that I can put the mushrooms in my fruit smoothie blender and mix it in with a fruit smoothie. I honestly don’t see anything special about lemon tek. It just seems like the exact same thing as me making mushrooms with a fruit smoothie.

Sure, eating them straight up or in a smoothie would work. Whatever gets them in your stomach.

[What Am I]

There's a counterintuitive argument that DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are actually better for beginners. Mushrooms require a real commitment in terms of time, and it's not a ride you can easily get off once it starts. Right now, it's difficult for you to understand how 4-6 hours can feel when psychological time has disappeared during a trip.

Another factor is that mushrooms can be unpredictable in their effects. DMT actually falls into this category as well. It's only 5-MeO-DMT that's more benign in this way, and likely to give you a similar if not identical experience every time.

As long as your doses are low/medium, DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are superior for beginners imo. And probably just superior overall.

Edited August 2 by What Am I

[Keryo Koffa]

4 minutes ago, What Am I said:

4-6 hours can feel like an eternity when psychological time has disappeared during a trip.

Mushrooms require a real commitment and can be unpredictable in their effects, DMT also to an extent.

It's only 5-MeO-DMT that's more benign, giving you a similar experience each time.

As long as your doses are low/medium, DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are superior for beginners and overall.

That is pretty counterintuitive, especially since most firstcomers start with 12h LSD

5-Meo is no joke, it's not hallucinatory like the others, but it's pure Ego-Death with no warnings

DMT is awesome and I've yet to experience it, it's hyperspace. I'd say it's a wild card

I think shrooms are actually the best for beginners, as long as they are dosed properly, middle of the road

[Keryo Koffa]

29 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

I think for my first time, I just want to eat them raw. I was planning on making myself a fruit smoothie and eating the mushrooms raw first after I weigh it to 2 grams and then drink a fruit smoothie after I eat them. The other option is that I can put the mushrooms in my fruit smoothie blender and mix it in with a fruit smoothie. I honestly don’t see anything special about lemon tek. It just seems like the exact same thing as me making mushrooms with a fruit smoothie.

Go for it, it really doesn't matter. There's not that big a difference and why stress a 20% potency headstart?

A fruit smoothie sounds good, raw shrooms/truffles have a weird taste that gets some people nauseous.

I'm excited to hear the trip report

Edited August 2 by Keryo Koffa

[What Am I]

1 minute ago, Keryo Koffa said:

I think shrooms are actually the best for beginners, as long as they are dosed properly, middle of the road

For sure, I do agree that it can fit the bill for a psychedelic introduction, as long as the dose is within reason. Even that can be tricky though, since you can't precisely measure the active ingredients, and mushrooms can be pretty variable in potency.

I guess when I'm giving the advice, I'm drawing on horrific mushroom experiences of my own from when I was younger. It's the advice I'd give myself if I could.

[halfknots]

@r0ckyreed how much time have you spent in educating yourself on this subject? The nature of this post tell me not much.

The internet is absolutely packed with valuable information and resources. 

psychonaut wiki is a good place to start

erowid is a classic

psilocybin mushrooms subreddit

To answer your questions directly:

• It is highly unlikely for mushrooms to be intentionally laced with fentanyl. There is always the possibility of unintentional cross contamination, but this is only if you are getting your mushrooms from some sketchy grower/dealer who also deals in fentanyl.
• The mushrooms should be cracker dry when you get them, and should be stored in a such a manner as to keep them this way. Keep them in an airtight jar with minimal air space along with a desiccant pack in a cool, dark, dry place.
• The mushrooms can be eaten as is, mixed into a food/beverage, or prepared using the lemon tek method as described earlier in the thread.
• Mushrooms kept in storage will lose potency over time
• 2 grams is a medium to medium strong dose, depending on the potency of the mushroom and your sensitivity. It could even be a strong dose.
• Growing mushrooms from spores is a whole separate conversation.

With all of this being said, there is still a conversation to be had about ways in which you can prepare your mindset and your setting as a way of inviting the best possible experience. My response here is by no means a complete guide to your first mushroom trip, and there is much more to say.

You are welcome to reach out to me privately for further support.

 

Edited August 2 by halfknots

[OBEler]

43 minutes ago, What Am I said:

There's a counterintuitive argument that DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are actually better for beginners. Mushrooms require a real commitment in terms of time, and it's not a ride you can easily get off once it starts. Right now, it's difficult for you to understand how 4-6 hours can feel when psychological time has disappeared during a trip.

Another factor is that mushrooms can be unpredictable in their effects. DMT actually falls into this category as well. It's only 5-MeO-DMT that's more benign in this way, and likely to give you a similar if not identical experience every time.

As long as your doses are low/medium, DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are superior for beginners imo. And probably just superior overall.

I can confirm. A friend of mine first psychedelic trip was 5 Meo. Second a lower shrooms trip which was too uncomfortable to him because it was so long and he wanted to stop but couldn't. After that he only used 5 Meo DMT after and it went great. He started low and raised to a normal dose after some first trips with 5.

Overall 5 Meo DMT could be really better for beginners.

 

 

[What Am I]

18 minutes ago, OBEler said:

I can confirm. A friend of mine first psychedelic trip was 5 Meo. Second a lower shrooms trip which was too uncomfortable to him because it was so long and he wanted to stop but couldn't. After that he only used 5 Meo DMT after and it went great. He started low and raised to a normal dose after some first trips with 5.

Overall 5 Meo DMT could be really better for beginners.

Thanks for chiming in, glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks so.

At this point, I'm about ready to go exclusive with 5meo. All other psychedelics that work more on 5-HT2A are just such a crapshoot on what kind of trip you'll end up with. Sure, sometimes it can be amazing, but even DMT and mushrooms can have powerfully sinister vibes, and I'm just no longer in the mood or see the need to deal with it when 5meo is already the superior tool for consciousness and higher states, in addition to its vibes always being benign. Thank god it exists.

Edited August 2 by What Am I

[OBEler]

@What Am I what do you think about 5 Meo malt? Did you try it out?

For me I go with the 5 Meo family (5 Meo DMT, mipt, malt)

[What Am I]

33 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@What Am I what do you think about 5 Meo malt? Did you try it out?

For me I go with the 5 Meo family (5 Meo DMT, mipt, malt)

Alright, so here's where I may split a little from the common opinion. Hopefully it's not too offensive to others.

I recognize the power of malt, and I see how it has similar characteristics that attracted me to 5meo. That includes the benign nature, the strong potential for causal-level realization, the energetic activation and purification aspects, and more. So as a tool for consciousness, I suppose I'd put it second only to 5meo.

But it's a distant second for me, because I just don't feel quite right on it. There's a much heavier stimulant quality, which is extra uncomfortable for myself as an ex-stimulant user. And there's also something else I can't quite put my finger on. It's as if 5meo is dead center on target for assisting endeavors in consciousness, and malt is ever so slightly off target. Like it's missing a few subtle but important aspects that are present with 5meo. And this last reason is also subjective, but it feels more like a drug if that makes sense, whereas 5meo feels like I've drank from the holy grail lol.

So I do mostly like it, and I'd 100% use it if 5meo weren't an option, but luckily I don't have to make that choice. I'm curious to try mipt though. Like you, it could end up in my top three.

Edited August 2 by What Am I

[OBEler]

@What Am I thanks man ! I have no conclusion about Malt so far.

It is like 5 Meo DMT but on the other hands it has its own force. It can be brutal for some like 5 Meo DMT can be brutal. 

Very difficult. Right now I stick more to 5 Meo DMT Because I experiment with a vape pen and redosing with malt is not really possible because the peak is 10 to 30 minutes ahead