Ralston's Final Awakening?

[Salvijus]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

@Salvijus It's pretty clear that she is not interested in your poking.

Sometimes that resistance is a sign that the healing light is penetrating through. It's a question mark of how much importance should one give to crocodile tears. Again I would repeat myself. It seems everyone has a different perspective on this question. 

[Salvijus]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Salvijus It's pretty clear that she is not interested in your poking of her with your stick.

I was not blind to it. I just have a different understanding of what's appropriate based on what my heart was telling me to do. 

Edited August 3 by Salvijus

[vibv]

35 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

@vibv @Leo Gura

I don’t think there's any harm in showing people where they're stuck. Plus I was not attacking her in any way. Nor was I rude or forceful. Although people have strong reactions sometimes when they don't want to look inside. Who's to say how much of that interaction is appropriate and how much is not? It seems everyone here has their own opinion on this matter. I believe when people are not ready to see they just abondon conversation by themselves. 

It's not your job to be the saviour of anyone. That's just an ego game.

[vibv]

30 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

 It's a question mark of how much importance should one give to crocodile tears. 

That's extremely dismissive of the emotions of the other person.

[vibv]

5 hours ago, Salvijus said:

I think you just want approval. And to be seen. Part of you thinks that unless you become special and great, people won't care about you. And you mentioned that you struggled with not having friends, people around you all your life. So it's a deep rooted desire to be recognized. And your mind used the first possible opportunity to become special at all cost. And of course what could be more special than being Jesus Christ the most awaken one. And there's clinging to that role because without it you fear you will go back to being nothing, perhaps invisible. 

See the issue is, you're talking about stuff you have no idea about: What goes on inside someone else. You confuse your conjectures with reality. You're not talking to the other person, you're talking to some projection of yourself. You're not really interested in her, because you've already made up your mind about her.

You're not meeting her on eye level, instead you're on some high horse and behave as if you're the one that has a solution to her problem. As if you're more advanced and the other person has to listen to what you say, else they're just running away from the truth — but it's not the truth, it's your interpretation of their behaviour. That's not helpful and instead often leads to the other closing up.

[Salvijus]

13 minutes ago, vibv said:

It's not your job to be the saviour of anyone. That's just an ego game.

Then why are you trying to teach me? 

[vibv]

Just now, Salvijus said:

Then why are you trying to teach me? 

I don't, I'm pointing out my observations.

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, vibv said:

I don't, I'm pointing out my observations.

Just like me

[Salvijus]

16 minutes ago, vibv said:

That's extremely dismissive of the emotions of the other person.

There's wisdom behind doing that. 

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, vibv said:

See the issue is, you're talking about stuff you have no idea about: What goes on inside someone else. You confuse your conjectures with reality. You're not talking to the other person, you're talking to some projection of yourself. You're not really interested in her, because you've already made up your mind about her.

You're not meeting her on eye level, instead you're on some high horse and behave as if you're the one that has a solution to her problem. As if you're more advanced and the other person has to listen to what you say, else they're just running away from the truth — but it's not the truth, it's your interpretation of their behaviour. That's not helpful and instead often leads to the other closing up.

Maybe my observations were actually accurate. How do you know. 

[vibv]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Just like me

No, you clearly try to "heal" someone here. That's what you literally said. I don't know you, I merely observe dynamics I've been involved in myself and I can tell you how that's received from the other side.

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, vibv said:

No, you clearly try to "heal" someone here. That's what you literally said. I don't know you, I merely observe dynamics I've been involved in myself and I can tell you how that's received from the other side.

I can rephrase that into. 

"The presence was of benefit"

You're trying to be of benefit aswell by trying to make me see my flaws. You're not doing anything different than what I'm doing. 

Edited August 3 by Salvijus

[vibv]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I can rephrase that into. 

"The presence was of benefit"

You're trying be of benefit aswell by trying to make me see my flaws. You're not doing anything different than what I'm doing. 

I'm making observations while you think you know someone else better than they themselves do.

[Salvijus]

3 minutes ago, vibv said:

I'm making observations while you think you know someone else better than they themselves do.

I was willing to relinquish everything I've said and apologize for it if it turned out to be a wrong perception

Edited August 3 by Salvijus

[vibv]

Just now, Salvijus said:

I was willing to relinquished everything I've said and apologize for it if it turned out to be a wrong perception

Okay, that's nice. But that's not what everyone else perceives.

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, vibv said:

Okay, that's nice. But that's not what everyone else perceives.

I face that issue a lot. Can't be helped. Everyone see whatever they want to see. 

Edited August 3 by Salvijus

[vibv]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I face that issue a lot. Can't be helped. Everyone see whatever they want to see. 

Good communication takes the other's perspective into consideration.

[Salvijus]

6 minutes ago, vibv said:

Good communication takes the other's perspective into consideration.

I'm good at that. 

[CARDOZZO]

@puporing Have you read "Resurrecting Jesus: Embodying the Spirit of a Revolutionary Mystic" by Adyashanti?

[Keryo Koffa]

14 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Infinity is still infinite but limited vertically between zero and unity.

The one-dimensional "Zero to Unity" axist does sound pretty limiting though. 

Also, is zero chaos or nothingness? What is unity? Doesn't both inflect into the same?

Do they represent absolute unconsciousness and absolute awareness? Are they pointers or experienceable?

Why not a second axis, a third, we can pull a whole 'nother alien dimension/paradigm out of god's ass!

There's duality, trinity, quad-, quinte-, wholes+fractions, and irrational inter-segments, why's it gotta be a 1D axis?

14 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The infinite fragments and unites, repeating in cycles. 

From another perspective/non-duality, there are also some other takes:

• Cycles are a duality, merely illusions, appearances, perceptions, and interpretations, they do not exist.
• They are a strange loop of the current experience, a local limitation to stabilize and ground experience
• Cycles are not epistemologically essential for the universe but rather structure the psyches within it
• Psyches navigate them, not to get lost and to create art and meaningful experiences by synchronicity
• Cycles harmonize reality and lifeforms, they are not essential for non-life or alien planes however

14 hours ago, Osaid said:

Enlightenment is the undoing of the assumed "I", understanding afterward isn't spent on non-existent dualities.

So it's a collapse of ego-projected dualities and an exploration of the boundless omni-dimensional fabric of existence?

It's like you can explore dualities from within their strange loops endlessly or transcend, encapsulate, and release them.

14 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Some 'food' for thought

I thought like this before and focused on it intensely on my last trip/awakening, wanting to speedrun reality and then let go of ever-fulfilling new desires and the memories of all I held dear, to dissolve into nothingness and inflect into infinity, but I'm still here. It was the most intense, meaningful, and transcendental experience ever.

7 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Infinite Consciousness is not human, to begin with, what you call Alien I call infinity.

The limited awareness calling itself human sees as Alien what is beyond its memory in radical existential nuance

It's a first-hand experience of what used to lie beyond its wildest imagination, entering "it/ego" for the first time

6 hours ago, Salvijus said:

People on psychedelics act possessed and sometimes believe themselves to be Jesus (struggles/complexes)

Can confirm from my trips. Had a breakdown and prayed. Was filled with kundalini energy and wondered if that was the "second coming of Christ". "I don't know, but whatever it is, I feel more alive than ever". Way too much responsibility though and over in a day.

The psychedelic experience expands one's mind. These realms show lots of things, entities, desires, traumas...

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Sometimes that resistance is a sign that the healing light is penetrating through.

1 hour ago, vibv said:

You have no idea about what goes on inside someone else's head. You've already made up your mind.

You act like the ultimate authority but it's your interpretation and it leads to the other closing up.

54 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I can rephrase that into "The presence was of benefit". You're trying to make me see my flaws.

"We're not so different, you and I"

52 minutes ago, vibv said:

I'm making observations while you think you know someone else better than they themselves do.

50 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I was willing to relinquish everything if it turned out wrong. I face the issue of perception a lot.

44 minutes ago, vibv said:

Good, but communication takes the other's perspective into consideration.

There's space for everything and not everything is obvious, but do be aware of the narrow line between healing and nurturing conversations rooted in empathy and a beatdown into submission to force someone's eyes open to see what one perceives to be absolute truth.