Ralston's Final Awakening?

[Water by the River]

48 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

And it could not be the case that they would say: I know that I am the infinite being but I suffer since my 12-year-old daughters have been kidnapped by ISIS and are being raped 60 times a day. Suffering being part of reality, I'm eating my share.

"Suffering, psychological suffering, is not necessary and can be avoided. However, there is certainly pain and that cannot be avoided. Hence the distinction. To enjoy pleasure and suffer pain is part of the package of having a body. Psychological suffering is the most intense of all and it is not necessary. If you don’t want to make a distinction, I cannot explain why psychological suffering is not necessary.

Psychological suffering is related to the notion of a sufferer, a person.   It is always related to past and future. Consider for instance the case of my friend William Samuel. During World War II he was in China. He was assigned a Chinese interpreter who was a Taoist sage, although he didn’t know it at the time. The first thing that he noticed about this man was that he was always happy, smiling and enjoying.

One day they were in great danger. William’s platoon was being pursued by the Japanese who were very close. They were running back towards their lines. There were hills on the horizon and the sage pointed to the purple line of the mountains and said to William, “Look, how beautiful!” William said, “It was the last thing I would have thought about at that moment.” Some time later William discovered that three months earlier the sage’s wife had been raped and killed by the Japanese and that they had also killed his two sons. That’s what triggered his interest in this man, and he eventually became his student. This Taoist sage was free from the past. He may have been in pain, but he was not suffering on account of the death of his wife and children. In seeing the beauty of the purple hills while under enemy fire, he was teaching a wonderful lesson in courage and love. It is hard to imagine more atrocious circumstances."

Francis Lucille, The Perfume of Silence

The sufferer and suffering is an arising in Infinite Being. It is not real. It truly is not, and until that is obvious for you 24/7 these kind of questions will bug you - quite a lot. It all just appears, and is illusion. There are no 12-year-old-daughters kidnapped and raped 60 times a day by Isis. There is no such being as your 12 year old daughter. There is no you truly having a daughter. Only the illusion of it. There truly only is Infinite Being, YOU. True You. Capital letters. Who is thinking about all these Horror Szenarios again? Where has the nightmare of last nights dream gone?

So, after stepped quite a lot on the Absolute Side of the Street, WbtR steps back to the relative side of the street, and wishes Breakingthewall a nice day 

[Thought Art]

Interesting conversations on spirituality, spiritual intelligence, ontology, metaphysics and epistemology. 
 

very interesting how different peoples spiritual intelligence is 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

@Breakingthewall All of human life is an illusion.

Hopefully one day you'll understand what I was pointing to.

Human life is a creation of the reality, same than everything else. I'm aware of that right now without psychedelic or anything. This is an structure built over many structures, like a fractal with a concrete shape or vibration. It's so real as any shape could be. You could say that shape are illusion, that only the formless is real, but what with that? Shape still exist. I'm aware of the substance, the formless being, but that doesn't mean that the shape will dissapear. 

[Leo Gura]

"There are no crocodiles in the river." -- A crocodile

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

"There are no crocodiles in the river." -- A crocodile

"A thought is just a thought, and yet it is a thought". --A thought

[UnbornTao]

3 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Interesting conversations on spirituality, spiritual intelligence, ontology, metaphysics and epistemology. 
 

very interesting how different peoples spiritual intelligence is 

Trying to shoehorn that Chopra book?

[Water by the River]

33 minutes ago, RedLine said:

And how do you know Deep Structure of Enlightenment states/experiences are legit knowking/insight about the nature of the Universe/Nature/Consciusness an not just hallucinations of the mind as mental ill people experience?

You will understand why (true) Enlightenment can't be a hallucination when you have the realization of Enlightenment. Not one moment before. Impossible to explain.

It is Absolute, beyond any possible doubt. It is the only Reality. Infinite, without a second, with no alternativ to it. It is the Reality of YOU, and the Reality of the "world" that you experience (I assume) as outside. There is no outside. Only You. 

You can not doubt that, nothing can gaslight you in that realization. It is beyond all of that. What arrogance!!! Nice piece of real estate for happy&carefree living, hm? 

What this Absolute Reality/True Being (without anything possibly outside of it, aka Oneness or Nondual or Infinite or One without a second) can do/imagine/manifest: Even God or Reality is exploring that. And that is forever an Infinity, never to reach the end. God will forever explore its potential of manifestation,  will never reach the end. In the end is a mystery to itself, when it comes to the manifestation side. Here, Leo and I align. Although he is a bit more fascinated on the Consciousness OF side, which for me is just appearance, because any perspective/being/consciousness of/Alien/God/human/ant/whatever is itself also just appearance. Appearing IN THAT.

While the essence of Reality, and of any appearance or manifestation (alien n+1 or not), your True Infinite Being, can very well be realized. Its you. True you. Not the illusion. On that side (not on the manifestation side or consciousness OF), the bug stops here.

Koan de jour: Where does the bug stop?

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

It is Absolute, beyond any possible doubt. It is the only Reality. Infinite, without a second, with no alternativ to it. It is the Reality of YOU, and the Reality of the "world" that you experience (I assume) as outside. There is no outside. Only You. 

Exactly what Ralston said to me, and made fun of me for on camera.

And now he's changed his mind.

Self-deception is a bitch.

Edited August 2 by Leo Gura

[Water by the River]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

"There are no crocodiles in the river." -- A crocodile

Oh, there are a lot. An infinity of crocodiles. Until the is no separate anything left, they will bite for (near) eternity.

Whom? The imagined illusory separate self.

No separate-self gets left behind. They are all killed and eaten by the crocodile in the end.

Leave no separate-self  man behind:

 

[Breakingthewall]

28 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

The sufferer and suffering is an arising in Infinite Being. It is not real. It truly is not, and until that is obvious for you 24/7 these kind of questions will bug you - quite a lot. It all just appears, and is illusion. There are no 12-year-old-daughters kidnapped and raped 60 times a day by Isis. There is no such being as your 12 year old daughter. There is no you truly having a daughter. Only the illusion of it. There truly only is Infinite Being, YOU. True You. Capital letters. Who is thinking about all these Horror Szenarios again? Where has the nightmare of last nights dream gone?

 Real or illusion is a meaningless distinction. When you suffer for something, that suffering is also an illusion and yet it happens. If reality wanted you to be indifferent to the rape of your 12-year-old daughters, you would be. If he wants you to suffer, it is for a purpose. anything is real as soon as it happens.

I may be fully aware that the form is transitory, but at the same time I know that the wheel of karma demands movement in one direction, and my push is in that direction, since my desire, the desire for reality, is the ascension. The Taoist master in your story had the ability to relativize his suffering by comparing it to the infinite being, but surely in specific moments he would suffer and that suffering would drive his movement, because that is the nature of reality. Otherwise it would be immobile 

Btw, that monk was fighting actively in a war, he wasn't in a cave meditating. Maybe he wanted some revenge 

Edited August 2 by Breakingthewall

[RedLine]

2 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

You will understand why (true) Enlightenment can't be a hallucination when you have the realization of Enlightenment. Not one moment before. Impossible to explain.

It is Absolute, beyond any possible doubt. It is the only Reality. Infinite, without a second, with no alternativ to it. It is the Reality of YOU, and the Reality of the "world" that you experience (I assume) as outside. There is no outside. Only You. 

You can not doubt that, nothing can gaslight you in that realization. It is beyond all of that. What arrogance!!! Nice piece of real estate for happy&carefree living, hm? 

What this Absolute Reality/True Being (without anything possibly outside of it, aka Oneness or Nondual or Infinite or One without a second) can do/imagine/manifest: Even God or Reality is exploring that. And that is forever an Infinity, never to reach the end. God will forever explore its potential of manifestation,  will never reach the end. In the end is a mystery to itself, when it comes to the manifestation side. Here, Leo and I align. Although he is a bit more fascinated on the Consciousness OF side, which for me is just appearance, because any perspective/being/consciousness of/Alien/God/human/ant/whatever is itself also just appearance. Appearing IN THAT.

While the essence of Reality, and of any appearance or manifestation (alien n+1 or not), your True Infinite Being, can very well be realized. Its you. True you. Not the illusion. On that side (not on the manifestation side or consciousness OF), the bug stops here.

Koan de jour: Where does the bug stop?

You answer is for what you called Surface Structure of Enlightenment, not Deep Structure of Enlightenment

 

I mean, if Shiva or an angel sits next to me in my cushion and it looks 100% real to me, is it Enlightenment about the Deep Structure of Reality or is it just my mind hallucinating and building things up into reality in base of my imagination? How do I know?

[Water by the River]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That's exactly what Ralston said to me.

And now he's changed his mind.

Maybe someone should ask him on what precisly he changed his mind.

He is not the only to discover more after nondual Enlightenment. Harri Aalto. Szyper, LOVE LIGHT: NON-DUALITY, NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES AND GOD. Here you can also find what you call Love as Absolute. Szyper places love/light/God/Goddess of mercy/love/light as ripened version of mere "bleak" nondual insight/Enlightenment. But all of that is happening on the manifestation side... in, on and as the ground of being. YOU. All of that falls on the manifest side, even if its subtle or alien.

Timeless Infinite Absolute Reality remains the same. Do YOU really change in essence? Who/What is aware of all of that which is possible? Whatever Ralston has realized, did it change "his" timeless True Being?

Or did "he" just realize more of what "that" can do/manifest/?

Leo, its Infinity upwards. There is no end. n+1. Your islands of "alien consciousness" (OF) in the vast infinite Ocean of Being rests on other islands/turtles, downwards and upwards to Infinity. Turtles on Turtles on Turtles on Turtles, and no end in sight, nor ever could be.

Face it, and see what the fascination is made of (you), and let it die. And see what remains (You). And then enjoy all of it, small or big, alien or not... A divine understanding, an alien realization, a flower in your garden... until the final crocodile of this life smiles at "you" and bites... Meet you there - already right now.

[Water by the River]

11 minutes ago, RedLine said:

You answer is for what you called Surface Structure of Enlightenment, not Deep Structure of Enlightenment

 

I mean, if Shiva or an angel sits next to me in my cushion and it looks 100% real to me, is it Enlightenment about the Deep Structure of Reality or is it just my mind hallucinating and building things up into reality in base of my imagination? How do I know?

Any appearance is an illusion. You will know then...

[Leo Gura]

@Water by the River You are engaged in the reduction of consciousness, which is a mistake.

Edited August 2 by Leo Gura

[Schizophonia]

15 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Cool that sounds lovely 

Ahah, if you say so. Although I might not have said that for a guy who had an NDE.

 

I think reality is basically an infinite self-disillusionment, and by extension we play ever more solid, long and complex games as the karma burns.

Edited August 2 by Schizophonia

[Water by the River]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 Real or illusion is a meaningless distinction.

Real is that which can not not be here. That which is realized in Enlightenment.

And everything else (all appearance) is, sorry, finally... illusion. Appearance. Temporary and passing. 

Find that which can not not be here. That which was here before the birth of your parents.

That Koan has  literal answer. And that is the only Reality. 

 

[Davino]

8 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

How has 5 MEO changed your baseline consciousness? Day to day experience? 

I wrote a very detailed answer to that some time ago. I don't seem to find it, hope I do get the post and resend it here.

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

Ahah, if you say so.

 

I think reality is basically an infinite self-disillusionment, and by extension we play ever more solid, long and complex games as the karma burns.

I don’t understand . I think everyone is slowly dissolving, like the law of entropy 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

Real is that which can not not be here. That which is realized in Enlightenment.

And everything else (all appearance) is, sorry, finally... illusion. Appearance. Temporary and passing. 

Find that which can not not be here. That which was here before the birth of your parents.

That Koan has  literal answer. And that is the only Reality. 

 

Yes, I know that perfectly, and I'm aware of that right now, and if I meditate 15 minutes, more deeply, and yet I don't like to live in the garbage being bitten by rats and insects, I prefer to have a business, money, good friends, girls around me, have air conditioning and not sleep at 40 degrees and not be tortured by the gestapo. 

[Water by the River]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Water by the River You are engaged in the reduction of consciousness, which is a mistake.

And you confuse  the summum bonum of realizing/living/ stabilizing non-dual undivided infinite Absolute Reality without any filters and lenses of separation still left, or in other words Infinite Being, eternal and timeless, with its changing and temporary manifestations and understandings, looking through remaining filters of separation, through which you interpret all these alien appearances/understandings/illusions.

What is the essence of Alien consciousness (of)? YOU.

Where was your alien before you were born?

Do I need to get fascinated by alien turtles upon turtles upon turtles, to Infinity? Or rather, confuse my Being with that fascination?

I know that that what you talk about appears. Never doubted that, or "your" aliens. I just don't give it the importance you give to it. What is that importance, ARISING IN YOU? The last remaining filters/lenses of separate-Leo.

But don't worry, no one is left behind. Also separate-Leo-illusion not. 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/crocodile-love

Selling crocodile love by the River

- and also at the same only the best to relative Leo. May he have fun and rejoice in his explorations, and wake truly up one day to the futility of climbing aliens turtles upon turtles upon turtles, before any crocodile may even smile at him. And then, "he" can continue exploring alien turtles upon turtles upon turtles, but will do it as celebration and not from a perspective of separate-self-Leo-suffering-contraction-lack, but from infinite abudance without any sense of urgency or lack. Or higher or lower. And he will look with the same love at the flower in his garden as to the highest Alien Consciousness (of). And all of that just for fun, because there is nothing else to do. For eternity. Om mani padme hum )

 

Always right here.