Maduro wins in Venezuela and the USA backs another coup attempt

[Hatfort]

Maduro has won another election for the presidency in Venezuela. One of the fundaments of modern democracies is that people elect their governments by vote, so it doesn't have to be decided by other means, like for example war. But it's always the same story, the right likes this system when they win, but when they lose, the story changes. The left always accepts the results, Milei, and Bolsonaro, come to my mind. The right very often doesn't, they reject the results and attempt coups. When it's not a USA puppet that wins, there are always these money funnels to dissident groups to destabilize those nations, or like in the case of Venezuela, blockades and sanctions to negatively affect their economy. Last term the USA and some of its European followers recognized this Guaido, a man that has never won any election or anything at all, as the president of Venezuela, one of the most ridiculous coup attempts in a history full of them.

Political, economic, and military interference by the USA in other countries has to stop. The USA never changed, they had their chance to be a positive lead for the world since the Soviet Union collapsed. They can't do it, they can't help themselves to behave like they do. Alternatives are rising, undoubtedly better, because they at least respect the sovereignty of other countries, and don't mess with them in such ways. You don't have to like what other countries elect, more so if it's democratically, you can criticize them as much as you want to, but there has to be respect, and no interference in such levels as economically or militarily.

On a side note, not that it matters, but Elon Musk has removed whatever checkmark X gives to political leaders from Maduro. Ridiculous.

 

[Alex4]

The National Electoral Council (CNE) declared Nicolás Maduro president with 51.2% of the votes. However, this body, controlled by Chavism, has still not released all the electoral records. The presidents of the United States and Brazil, who are not right-wingers, have jointly demanded that Maduro publish all the records. Therefore, these are genuine concerns, not paranoia from right-wingers. China, Iran, and Russia are among the few countries that do not question the result. Doesn't this make you suspicious? 

[Hatfort]

9 minutes ago, Alex4 said:

The National Electoral Council (CNE) declared Nicolás Maduro president with 51.2% of the votes. However, this body, controlled by Chavism, has still not released all the electoral records. The presidents of the United States and Brazil, who are not right-wingers, have jointly demanded that Maduro publish all the records. Therefore, these are genuine concerns, not paranoia from right-wingers. China, Iran, and Russia are among the few countries that do not question the result. Doesn't this make you suspicious? 

Fair enough, let them be accounted for and the records checked, that's a fair request. This should be a peaceful process, there's no real sign of fraud right now. The elections have been oversight by international checkers, they always are in Venezuela, which is good, and they all agree the elections are clean, this time too.

In regards to Venezuela, the US is right-wing, and will never back a Maduro government, let's be real. Obama initiated the sanctions, and Trump and Biden continued with them. Brazil is a more neutral subject. China, Iran, and Russia recognize the results for now, without any fraud evidence on the table, it's not an unreasonable position.

 

[Hatfort]

Let me add, it's not true the opposition is being denied the records. They had access to every one of them, just by asking, by law. If they claim they were denied to them in such a massive manner, can they please provide a single video record of this happening? Maybe they don't want to present the ones where they didn't win, casually.

The opposition should present its original and complete records to the courts, as is its right, to verify whether or not they actually correspond with the results of the electoral power.

This entire process has had prior audits, there were at least three, and they were not challenged by any opposition candidate, not even by González and Corina Machado, as well as a series of subsequent audits stipulated by law. By election day, all parties agreed that the system was reliable, secure, and encrypted.

[Bobby_2021]

Why am I not surprised? 

It's their fault for not electing a weak pathetic feminist pushover woman as president.  

[Bobby_2021]

29 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Let me add, it's not true the opposition is being denied the records. They had access to every one of them, just by asking, by law

It's a targeted disinformation campaign meant to install doubt in the minds of people regarding the legitimacy of the election.

This will act as the precedence for the actual coup.

It's insane that they have found a rulebook that's so ruthlessly effective that it just bloody works for half a decade and more.

[Alex4]

3 hours ago, Hatfort said:

Let me add, it's not true the opposition is being denied the records. They had access to every one of them, just by asking, by law. If they claim they were denied to them in such a massive manner, can they please provide a single video record of this happening? Maybe they don't want to present the ones where they didn't win, casually.

The opposition should present its original and complete records to the courts, as is its right, to verify whether or not they actually correspond with the results of the electoral power.

This entire process has had prior audits, there were at least three, and they were not challenged by any opposition candidate, not even by González and Corina Machado, as well as a series of subsequent audits stipulated by law. By election day, all parties agreed that the system was reliable, secure, and encrypted.

The opposition is uploading the results and all the scanned records on this website. https://resultadosconvzla.com/

 

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

One of my cousins for some reason is a big Maduro fan. I don’t know why, is it out of Socialist solidarity? Because my family is not Hispanic or South American at all.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Considering how Donald Trump won the 2016 race without the popular vote, how Bernie was screwed in the 2015 Democratic primary, and the massive corporate media apparatus, the persistant sabotaging of third parties, etc… America has no right to call other countries elections undemocratic or rigged