The point of life

[Rafael Thundercat]

On 29/07/2024 at 1:12 PM, James123 said:

As Osho said, there is no point or purpose of life. 

Life is the purpose itself.

Yes but life is Procreation, is creating itself and recreating o  and on, beings spawning beings. Not from somewhere else but from the same totality. 

[James123]

1 hour ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Yes but life is Procreation, is creating itself and recreating o  and on, beings spawning beings. Not from somewhere else but from the same totality. 

These are all ideas / thoughts.

[Keryo Koffa]

Life is. Purpose is. Life is Purpose. Life is Purposeless. Purpose is alive. Purpose is lifeless. Purpose isn't Life. Life isn't Purpose.

Link these two however you like and it will be a local association grid that collapses the superposition of boundless Infinity.

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

 

We learned that whole finite thing from Leo, but is it really finite or infinity in form? Form, we, the universe, all change.

In a way, how can you even align yourself with the type of infinite you're pointing to? Everything that is, is finite, no?

There are Mystics, Shamans, DMT-Psychonauts, NDEs reporting first hand experiences of the cosmic evolution of life.

Ideas of cosmic evolution, astral bodies, higher dimensions and that Earth is a self chosen life that veils larger awareness.

Both of you speak of alignment, be it of cosmic evolution, or the infinite and eternal. I really don't see the contradiction.

Change doesnt imply evolution. for instant as we grow old.. our priority changes... things we found pleasure in simply doesn't interests us anymore..like sex ..did you ever notice that old people have that look of disappointment and disillusionment in their face ? Life teases you in your youth but in the end its gonna fuck you in the ass .

if we look at the larger picture most of the old people are this way. may be this was supposed to take place. this is what the life cycle is . so nothing hasnt really changed.

[Keryo Koffa]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Change doesnt imply evolution. for instant as we grow old.. our priority changes... things we found pleasure in simply doesn't interests us anymore..like sex ..did you ever notice that old people have that look of disappointment and disillusionment in their face ? Life teases you in your youth but in the end its gonna fuck you in the ass .

if we look at the larger picture most of the old people are this way. may be this was supposed to take place. this is what the life cycle is . so nothing hasnt really changed.

The immediate spiritual answer to would be that we have a certain amount of time on this earth and bodily karma to put into motion like making families and cooperating, but then that is phased out as we slowly prepare to die and transition into the next reincarnation or plane of reality in "cosmic evolution" essentially.

Are lives do imply endings (give our body back to the earth and reset all injuries, leave stuff for the next generation) and that's part of collective evolution. Now you say that personal evolution ends and if this life is all there is, then that appears correct, though with the right practices, health can be maintained for a long time even in old age and even as interests shift. Still I do agree with you, but then only if this life was our only existence, which I have much reasons to believe is not the case, and also believing it is, is equally biased, so I go for the most expansive and vitalizing interpretation.

[Breakingthewall]

15 hours ago, Someone here said:

Everything that Is born and that Is finite will die eventually.

That's the cycles. Every time I take a 5meo or LSD trip, what I see is this: the substance of reality, the being, is limitless and structureless, but creates itself in cyclical structures of birth and death that build upon one another infinitely.

That is, you as a human are a structure composed of infinite other structures. Each one of them is the infinite being, and in turn is composed of infinite structures. and you as a human are a part of another structure that in turn is part of another structure, to infinity. It never ends. It is impossible to encompass it, or even intuit it. and all those infinite cycles are geared perfectly, coordinated.

Infinite intelligence cannot be understood, it is more than a human mind can intuit. The point is that you, as a cyclic structure, are in an infinite evolutionary process parallel to other infinite cyclic structures, like a beehive, or a perfect infinite fractal, and if all that structure is erased, since it is only form, you remain: the unfathomable being, pure existence, where you and me are one. But same time, we are infinite parts that born and die infinitely. 

Then, be careful, every breath has a infinite butterfly effect. consequences, karma. Do you want to rise, or sink? Maybe you don't care if you are a schizophrenic in a Soviet hospital, or a multidimensional entity in perfect harmony, but reality tends to rise, better take that path imo 

Edited July 31 by Breakingthewall

[Keryo Koffa]

@Breakingthewall I experienced this on my last trip. I went from mesocosm to microcosm to macrocosm, it's like I saw the same world of details in a particle of sand, as my room, as the picture of a galaxy, and they all interact and reflect each other on all levels infinitely, looking at any one thing, you can see the reflection of any other thing, no matter how far, complex, or simple, it's all entangled, and you can encode details with soundwaves and read it off water if your mind/third eye is sharp enough and the associatory network we are and the houses and all the stuff they include are so insanely complex, it's really amazing.

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@Breakingthewall I experienced this on my last trip. I went from mesocosm to microcosm to macrocosm, it's like I saw the same world of details in a particle of sand, as my room, as the picture of a galaxy, and they all interact and reflect each other on all levels infinitely, looking at any one thing, you can see the reflection of any other thing, no matter how far, complex, or simple, it's all entangled, and you can encode details with soundwaves and read it off water if your mind/third eye is sharp enough and the associatory network we are and the houses and all the stuff they include are so insanely complex, it's really amazing.

Yes, everything is interconnected . The most strange thing is realizing that everything is infinite. No beginning, no end. A particle of sand is the entire cosmos, and me, as a human , the same. Inside and outside are the same. Then the mind stops easily because it realize that it can't encompass the reality, just be open to it. The mind stops elaborating and starts perceiving 

[James123]

@Breakingthewall @Keryo Koffa @Someone here it is actually so simple, not even need to speak about it.

[Keryo Koffa]

@Breakingthewall @James123 I did notice a while ago that it's easier to understand without thinking: like it's literally more taxing to be confused than to get it, humorously enough, though it is anti-climactic to the *non-existent (apparently anyway)* ego.

[James123]

38 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@Breakingthewall @James123 I did notice a while ago that it's easier to understand without thinking: like it's literally more taxing to be confused than to get it, humorously enough, though it is anti-climactic to the *non-existent (apparently anyway)* ego.

Lol. Thinking makes more confusing. Isn't it so funny? 🤣 🤣 

[Keryo Koffa]

@James123 I did actually notice that before, just fail to "embody" it. Had whole posts dedicated to that. *self-contradictory* lol

On 7/4/2024 at 1:12 PM, Keryo Koffa said:

What if ignorance is itself a sensation, something that obscures reality with that being its role, since reality by god is known beforehand, explaining the possibility of current experience. What if ignorance is an additive sensation and state of mind instead of a lack? Just Let go of ignorance, in order to see? That's so funny, way too simple! Hey, just let go of ignorance, its that easy lol. Like you're actively keeping up a mist around yourself to obscure your vision and focus you into your current experience but that's exactly it, that's how god does it. How the hell did I stumble on that? If I let go of ignorance or the need to know right now, I will literally remove all my suffering? I create a belief where I allow myself to let go on psychedelics and not otherwise and its my own doing, this is intense.

[LfcCharlie4]

On 7/29/2024 at 3:25 PM, Someone here said:

Yup . Nice summation . Although with a caveat here to not turn this into hedonism as I mentioned in OP.

100% 

not Hedonism, but enjoyment of life. Which is different for everyone, which is what makes it beautiful 

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

100% 

not Hedonism, but enjoyment of life. Which is different for everyone, which is what makes it beautiful 

@LfcCharlie4 hi . Thanks for resurrecting this thread 😁.

Now that I've given it second thought you could say the point is creating whatever you want to create . No restrictions whatsoever. With baring in mind that you will reap what you sow ..so you are absolutely free to be like Hitler or Stalin but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences to your actions. 

These days I'm just sitting in silence doing nothing .just existing .just being .rather than doing .

What are you gonna do anyways?  You are eternal..there is no death that can annihilate you..so then imagine if you awakened to the fact that you are god and that you are eternal...really and this is a sincere question: what the heck are you gonna waste your eternal existence with?  Joy and bliss ? That is nice but without misery and suffering there won't be any meaning to happiness.  Which is exactly why this world is NOT perfect and there is a shit ton of suffering and evil and wars going on ..because God metaphorically speaking has gotten sick and tired of infinite bliss and decided to spice things up with a lil bit of drama if you will .

Now That I think about it .the only point to life is life itself. Being .pure existing .basking in awareness. "Being interested In the experience of being aware " as Rupert Spira puts it .because there is literally nothing to do and nowhere to go after you've done it all .

Just  my thoughts 

Much Love brother 🙏