Jordan Peterson v Actualized.org?

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Bandman said:

if you claim to be the most knowing person spiritually of all humans

Don't exaggerate my claim.

I never claimed to know everything in detail.

You cartoonishly expect me to know everything. Are you kidding? I spent 10 years telling you how difficult this work is and you still don't get it.

Edited July 30 by Leo Gura

[bambi]

35 minutes ago, Bandman said:

If you know so much, more than anyone, Why cant you still even say whether there is an eternal hell or not?

I class myself as one of the most qualified human alive on this one, Ive been to the hell realms and lived there for around 15 months. Verified by several psychedelic experiences, I cant see for sure if you could go so deep into hell you could never get out, it seems unlikely, its just the pain would become so large, and also hell is a literal disconnect, youd have to severe yourself energetically from reality via your chakra system (thats the method I used), Youd also have to continually refuse to surrender (i.e. stop doing what ever your doing that is bringing you to hell), but before you get to hell you have had to have already disobeyed God/higher self many times, and ignored all warnings (usually dreams or psychedelic trips)

My chakras arent healed yet and im not out of hell fully so well see how it goes. But I often asked myself if I didnt surrender and beg for mercy and forgiveness, and kept up my bad attitudes/resentments to life and God, would I ever made it out? By this point I didnt want to know, I was living in 11/10 terror on a daily basis, at this point it isnt possible to go any deeper as far as I can see, I wasnt willing to find out.

The most terrofying thought would be leaving your physical body whilst in this state, thats terrorfying, I often thought would there be a final act of mercy from God and come save you. The problem here is emperical when you look around the world you dont see many acts of mercy, so I wouldnt gamble on this happening. Theres also a real sense that your actions, attitudes and behaviours have led you here, so its a consequence, and there is no quick fix, or anyone to save you

TLDR hell exists, whether or eternal or not in the sense your asking, I dont know, You could definatley get stuck there a very long time. The issue is your actions yourself take you there, and its your attitudes/actions your being that keeps you stuck there. Youd imagine the deeper into hell you go, the deeper the surrender required. Wouldnt recommend finding out

[Leo Gura]

 

2 minutes ago, Bandman said:

You have claimed to have become completely omniscient of reality.

You don't understand what omniscience means.

2 minutes ago, Bandman said:

I understand that doesn't mean you know where all the stars are etc. But if you are omniscient of your own nature, how can you not know whether impermanence of state is always true. You have said reality is only states of consciousness. If an eternal state exists that is not the entire set of all limited states, this poses an extremely large problem to your metaphysical model, because you are now saying Infinity is able to truly lose access to itself and not come back.

God is such a profound thing that it doesn't understand itself.

[Leo Gura]

@Bandman Critique me all you want. Makes no difference in the end.

[Yimpa]

You are fooling yourself if this work doesn’t humble you.

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I am doing a lot of understanding of human behavior and survival. Profound videoes coming soon on that.

Videos are fine, but I prefer a LIVE stream to teach me the most profound lessons 

[bambi]

2 minutes ago, Bandman said:

Sorry to hear that bro. 

Yeah I have accepted it exists, the eternality of it bothers me though. 

I guess its impossible to know because you would never know if you are being saved any second or not, and maybe therein lies the salvation, this entire question is basically Murphys law anyways.

What made you enter these experiences?

Yes it bothered me too since a kid, I was indoctrinated by an Islamic scholar regarding eternal hells (i wasnt personally muslim), but it put a deep fear in me. Also my dad died from a heroin overdose and this deeply scared me on where he would end up. We used to do Islamic saence etc to try and figure out what happened to him lol!

I was always subconciously terrofied of hell, thats probably why I ended up there. And for the first part of this year I wasnt sure I could heal, I had literally torn my chakras, not blocked, torn them. The channels and wires were torn and shredded, and Ive basically spent most waking moments of 2024 telling myself 'God can heal anything, Love heals all, if it has a beginning it has an end' Thats basically been my mantra.

My precursor into hell was

1) Severe drug abuse in my 20s, cocaine combined with porn./escorts/sex alcohol for years. Think 3 day no sleep benders, with $1000 of cocaine and 3-4 litres of vodka. Every weekend for years

2) At age 30 I had a breakdown, something broke inside of me, and I was completely fucked

3) I started sobreity and celibacy, and did deep spirtual work, including many vipassana retreats etc etc.

4) Started to recover and feel good, started hitting Jhanas etc in meditation

5) started to have Godrealisatiion experiences on pscyhedelics, and also the solipsism perspective

6) Started drinking doing cocaine and escorts etc, deep relapse

7) Pain started to come strong, daily nightmares being eaten alive by dogs etc

8) Started to have icnredibly dark psychedelic experiences, the ones where you die into the void, where happening, but the context was now dieing and reborn into hell

9) my resenentments greww exponetially and started taking psychedelics to challenge God about the crazines

10) divide between me and God and mind grew

11) Doubled down on cocaine and alcohol

12) Started having vivid dreams being told Im going to hell

13) My waking life was total pain from moment waking, during sleep, and then awakening

14) My forehead chakra and all the wires in my head were totally torn, uttrly shattered the forehead chakra, totaly destroyed, felt beyond repair

15) Finish a 5 day cocaine bender, and got the message from mind if I do another line or drink, Im not coming back

16) Go full sober and celibate

17) 2 months into sobriety, where everyday I wake up and put all my attention onto the 12/10 pain in my forehead and pray these broken wires will heal, can feal them trying to reconnect and rebuild, but its broken

18) Decide to man up and take heroic doses of psychedelics

19) Have the lived experience in full real time of being sent to hell on psilocybin trips -> by far most traumatic experiences of my life, will have PTSD for long time

20) Have LSD experiences of hour long immersions of being in demonic hell realms, followed by this whole realms being destroyed infront of me, and then being taken to a white light of God, in wich I begged for mercy

21) 19 and 20 were repeated several times.

22) Cant handle another being sent to hell experience so stop psilocybin

23) Remain sober, meditating, doing 12 step meetings

24) The LSD/Psilocybin brighht white light experiences at least showed me the negativity in my mind 'fuck you God' 'I hate you God' 'burn in hell forever', this type of voices

25) My forehead chakra is slowly healing,

26) Had some nicer LSD experience, broke through to Love and other temporary nice experience

27) Out of hell and now in purgatory, what a relief, what a relief, im never going back, never

28) My forehead seriously concerns me, cannot find anyone anywhere who knows about this damage, using AI find some esotoric literautre that describes severe severe rare cases of 'short circtuiing' a chakra when deep spirtiual transgressions are done

29) typing this post!

[Yimpa]

30) I’m proud of you!

[CARDOZZO]

33 minutes ago, bambi said:

Yes it bothered me too since a kid, I was indoctrinated by an Islamic scholar regarding eternal hells (i wasnt personally muslim), but it put a deep fear in me. Also my dad died from a heroin overdose and this deeply scared me on where he would end up. We used to do Islamic saence etc to try and figure out what happened to him lol!

I was always subconciously terrofied of hell, thats probably why I ended up there. And for the first part of this year I wasnt sure I could heal, I had literally torn my chakras, not blocked, torn them. The channels and wires were torn and shredded, and Ive basically spent most waking moments of 2024 telling myself 'God can heal anything, Love heals all, if it has a beginning it has an end' Thats basically been my mantra.

My precursor into hell was

1) Severe drug abuse in my 20s, cocaine combined with porn./escorts/sex alcohol for years. Think 3 day no sleep benders, with $1000 of cocaine and 3-4 litres of vodka. Every weekend for years

2) At age 30 I had a breakdown, something broke inside of me, and I was completely fucked

3) I started sobreity and celibacy, and did deep spirtual work, including many vipassana retreats etc etc.

4) Started to recover and feel good, started hitting Jhanas etc in meditation

5) started to have Godrealisatiion experiences on pscyhedelics, and also the solipsism perspective

6) Started drinking doing cocaine and escorts etc, deep relapse

7) Pain started to come strong, daily nightmares being eaten alive by dogs etc

8) Started to have icnredibly dark psychedelic experiences, the ones where you die into the void, where happening, but the context was now dieing and reborn into hell

9) my resenentments greww exponetially and started taking psychedelics to challenge God about the crazines

10) divide between me and God and mind grew

11) Doubled down on cocaine and alcohol

12) Started having vivid dreams being told Im going to hell

13) My waking life was total pain from moment waking, during sleep, and then awakening

14) My forehead chakra and all the wires in my head were totally torn, uttrly shattered the forehead chakra, totaly destroyed, felt beyond repair

15) Finish a 5 day cocaine bender, and got the message from mind if I do another line or drink, Im not coming back

16) Go full sober and celibate

17) 2 months into sobriety, where everyday I wake up and put all my attention onto the 12/10 pain in my forehead and pray these broken wires will heal, can feal them trying to reconnect and rebuild, but its broken

18) Decide to man up and take heroic doses of psychedelics

19) Have the lived experience in full real time of being sent to hell on psilocybin trips -> by far most traumatic experiences of my life, will have PTSD for long time

20) Have LSD experiences of hour long immersions of being in demonic hell realms, followed by this whole realms being destroyed infront of me, and then being taken to a white light of God, in wich I begged for mercy

21) 19 and 20 were repeated several times.

22) Cant handle another being sent to hell experience so stop psilocybin

23) Remain sober, meditating, doing 12 step meetings

24) The LSD/Psilocybin brighht white light experiences at least showed me the negativity in my mind 'fuck you God' 'I hate you God' 'burn in hell forever', this type of voices

25) My forehead chakra is slowly healing,

26) Had some nicer LSD experience, broke through to Love and other temporary nice experience

27) Out of hell and now in purgatory, what a relief, what a relief, im never going back, never

28) My forehead seriously concerns me, cannot find anyone anywhere who knows about this damage, using AI find some esotoric literautre that describes severe severe rare cases of 'short circtuiing' a chakra when deep spirtiual transgressions are done

29) typing this post!

Write a book. You are a Levels of Consciousness PhD.

[gambler]

I would buy the book too

[BlessedLion]

7 hours ago, LordFall said:

@BlessedLion I'd say we have a responsibility to educate and convert people with stage orange ideology like Tate/Fresh&Fit followers. Otherwise, we're over here just rehashing the same conversations and not really having an impact on the world. A lot of the reason these guys have a lot of clout is they make semi-logical points that people don't push them back hard on. 

I've never heard people call out Tate for literally flirting with guys to scam them when he was running his webcam agency. He's admitted multiple times to being the one understanding male psychology and taking the keyboard away from the women to really get in the guys heads and scam them and then scam the women as well. It's not cool. Its creepy, deranged, and criminal. People just let him get away with being the cool dude driving a Bugatti and standing up for masculinity whereas he lacks every masculine principle imaginable that would have to do with honor and duty.

I've had a lot of impact getting people to stop praising him in person because I come from the red pill camp myself so I understand how their arguments work. Having that type of person as well as any standard PUA person would be an easy way to move them into green/yellow type thinking. 

I agree, the issue is that once they are in that mindset it can be tough to entice people to pick up values like honesty, integrity, and conscious sexuality. They might call that "pussy beta material". That's a big leap, but I agree, it's totally worth it if possible. 

Most of the guys consuming Tate/Fresh & Fit are very unguided and lost which is why they fall into these ideologies. One of my life purposes is actually to help young men navigate these waters, so i totally agree. 

[Davino]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's the irony, ain't it?

I have reached a point where I can't take humans words seriously on spiritual matters.

But I am still open to feedback on improving my behavior and such.

I am still interested in hearing peoples' spiritual experiences. I do learn from that.

Is this Peter Ralston or Leo Gura?

That's the irony, ain't it?

[Davino]

7 hours ago, OBEler said:

Then maybe make a video about discussing with Claude3 about advanced spiritual topics. 

It's interesting to see where this could lead.

Text to voice, one to one interaction, real time. Philosophical discussions all night live with AI.

(Just brainstorming here)

Edited July 31 by Davino

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Davino said:

Is this Peter Ralston or Leo Gura?

That's the irony, ain't it?

Peter Gura. Leo Ralston.

[Jehovah increases]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Peter Gura. Leo Ralston.

Loveeeeeee you forever Way to smart. You found God. Respect.

Edited July 31 by Jehovah increases

[Davino]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Peter Gura. Leo Ralston.

Well doged

[Davino]

Podcast: Frank Yang & Leo Gura

Explosive Combo 💥

Juicy up the brainstorming!

[Revolutionary Think]

I don't know. Should be interesting though.

[Keryo Koffa]

@Davino If you really wanna nuke our consciousness, go for: Leo + Sadhguru 🌌

[Leo Gura]

Leo Guru, Sadhgura