are we all bisexual ?

[TheUnknown]

On 7.08.2024 at 10:06 PM, bambi said:

You must be seriously stupid. Where did I write 'sex is a bad' thing - thats a complete lie. Thats the problem when people who lack basic intelligence use the internet

The internet discussion is inherently something stupid, so you're calling out yourself as well.

If you don't really practice any lessons, you'll keep on writing these "hierarchical categorizations of what's idiotic and not" which is just opinions, pseudo-intellectualism and a lot more. According to your culture and civilization what I said might be "hellishly stupid", "retarded" and so on.

I have confronted people like that in real life many times and what was happening that if you said something that was a little bit non-linear to their statement, they complained and did threaten with a knife. So the only solution was to quit those circles. But on the internet I am bits, that some people take seriously as if the informatics infrastructure was some ultimate tool of communication.

 

But that's a limited view providing nothing more than negative and lots of words that create cascades of emotions that later influence you and your whole life. Mechanical behavior that would get anyone kicked out quickly from any place. Go to a university and say something like that. You won't last long.

You created a pointless distinction and just wasted mutual time instead of discussing the problems and disassembling them to deepen mutual understanding.

Whenever you write something on the internet, it goes through a massive amount of systems and filters, then it's shown via your screen, then filtered through your mind, bias etc.

I don't see any point of discussions like that, but I posted here just because... sex is used as a tool to manipulate people by various industries.

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Thats the problem when people who lack basic intelligence use the internet

It's a thesis that the internet was made for intellectual purposes. It's not for intellectualism. It's only a system of information exchange and anyone can use it, but people praising "intellectualism" end up emotionally unstable and create mostly suffering, then it goes back to them in form of these answers of "non-intellectuals".

I am happy to not over-use intellect like 99% of western civilization which I used in the past, but it's really a masturbation game like "I got 166 iq points from Mensa". Such a 2-sentence comment can be classified as judgment and also intellectually valid, but there are 5 - 10 minds that we use, and if you only use "comparison" + "intellect', you're a very rational being that doesn't go far in life, maybe you can get some virtual bits and gratifications like "money", but that's pure fiction created by self-fulfilling prophecies created by civilizations, cults and beliefs.

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Looks like this forum has "approval mechanic", but it fails to teach people, so I won't speak a lot here. Maybe from time to time. I can sense a lot of "opinions" posted as "facts" here. Leo doesn't seem to give a damn about this. Guess why haha. Yeah, do drugs and forget about life... that's what they call it.  Not a drug-culture at all.

I have been designing large-scale solutions for social media using AWS and Google and I can see mechanics of all that nonsense easily. Very easily I can see flaws of this whole forum. It's harmful due to lack of real leaders.

See, I have 60 iq and I can design large scale systems. Many intellectuals attempted to do the same and they failed terribly.  Toxic people make strong people stronger and then they get burned in hell by soon... AI. Robots and drones won't have feelings for you. Maybe drug-culture and shrooming will save ya. ;P

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[TheUnknown]

On 7.08.2024 at 10:14 PM, Jannes said:

While the details are all different it's a good general analogy so I would mostly agree. 

I would doubt that strongly. 

There are things in reality that you cant change by changing your awareness about it. Like you cant hit through a wall when you try to imagine hitting through a wall. There is a hard structure/ rules of reality that you cant dissolve with consciousness training. And the thing is you and your psychology are also made out of that hard structure of reality so this gives you limits. So even though you could theoretically interpret erotical things into a toaster for example I think practically your mind is too limited to allow you that but it's certainly very stretchable. 

Damn... you can f*k mentally ANYTHING. You think sex is a physical phenomena. It's fully mental and brain that interprets reality in such a way that it gives pleasure. It's a construct civilization has created that your sex with girls is the true sex.

You're not having sex with real people, but constructs of people.

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And the thing is you and your psychology are also made out of that hard structure of reality so this gives you limits.

It's more than psychology. It's called conditioning and it happens unconsciously. You learn a lot of stuff when you are 1, 2, 3, 4 year old and then you don't even know what you know. You can practice not-knowing to get rid of that stuff and have sex with a ceiling or a moon (constructs still). The whole reality is a construct, but getting more pure perception can get you sex with more things.

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[Keryo Koffa]

If anyone wonders what the Beef is about, here's the summary (Pages 7-9) [bambi vs TheUnknown]

  Sex connects to levels of consciousness, you may first enjoy Gangbangs and later be disgusted.

  How are they less spiritual? Isn't everything relative at higher consciousness?

  The best sex is intimate & doesn't objectify, manipulate, dehumanize, abuse, or shame.

  It's indulgence but women enjoy it & aren't you kink shaming?

  Degradation is the appeal but its novelty turns into a void.

  What about porn, masturbation & sexual transmutation?

  I'd break the conditioning in a heartbeat if I could.

 You're denying your biology. Sex is a divine feature.

  Never denied sex, you're too dumb for the Internet

  You're a stupidity-obsessed eco-chamber hypocrite *goes on a 21st-century deconstructivist web-intellectualism rant*

  THIS SUMMARY

  Returned from my "calling people stupid" ban. That dude is a $#@! 1x2x3x4x5xWOMBO-COMBO narcissist

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[bambi]

Good overview @Keryo Koffa I am actually just returning from a ban for my post telling him hes stupid lol!

Its clear the dudes an ego-maniac who overestimates his own intelligence and peoples need or desire for his opinion, calling him stupid seemed like an apt response

[Keryo Koffa]

26 minutes ago, bambi said:

Returned from my "calling people stupid" ban, dude's a narcissist

Well, he has lots of repressed anger and internal triggers to master

Here's a cheat sheet for your following conversations

It might come in handy for the two of you

(Click to Zoom)

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[Jannes]

@TheUnknown So if you practiced enough you think you could get horny for a ceiling?

[Keryo Koffa]

1 hour ago, Jannes said:

@TheUnknown So if you practiced enough you think you could get horny for a ceiling?

There are multiple creative ways to make it happen. Everything fundamentally is associatory codified significance.

Senses interconnect, trigger, and associate through various pathways and you can make your own.

An extremely crude example is behaviorism, but you can also meditate and tune your awareness.

Anyone who's done psychedelics knows how one can project or treat reality as if it were a stand-in for something.

Everything is mind, you can see anything through the aesthetic of a ceiling or even get turned on by its ceiling-ness. 

[Jannes]

@Keryo Koffa okay then try to get an orgasm by just looking at a ceiling. 

[Keryo Koffa]

@Jannes You can project the sexual drive onto any experience, one could argue it already is.

"You're looking at it wrong, all of this is inside your mind.
None of it's real, no more than a dream is. Don't you remember?
You're playing a game with yourself, forgetting who you really are.
But if you're ready, we can help you wake up.
Do you really think your life is just random?
Do you actually believe it's real?"

☯

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[Jannes]

@Keryo Koffa I am not saying you that you dont point to some absolute truths. I am saying that relatively/ practically this isnt true for your reality. 

The thread implied the radical thesis that we could all be bisexuals if we changed our way of thinking about reality. I think that is very sloppy thinking. It's projecting an absolute truth onto the relative world into an area which is not as clear so this sloppy thinking doesnt become immediately obvious.My point is that we are limited in the relative world. Thats why I made this example of trying to find sexual arousal of a toaster which isnt possible imo but it still doesnt seem to be clear enough. Look maybe I am to closed minded for thinking that my mind is incapable of getting aroused by a ceiling, maybe I am just not conscious enough. Can you do it though, can you get an orgasm by looking at a ceiling or are you just talking out of your ass? This is the test. 

 

[Keryo Koffa]

35 minutes ago, Jannes said:

@Keryo Koffa I am saying that relatively/ practically this isn't true. 

Hmm, mostly yes. It's made of the same barriers as a psyche or the environment, stability & coherence.

But just like you can dissolve your mind on psychedelics or get heavy tools to terraform the environment...

You can do it, it's just difficult, weirdly specific, impractical, complicated, and it yields diminishing returns

What I can tell you though, is that psychedelics threw me into states where everything was turning on

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[Jannes]

9 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

What I can tell you though, is that psychedelics threw me into states where everything was turning on

Well you cant really take psychedelic states of consciousness and say that sober reality will also be like that. 

We disagree to which degree you are able to free yourself from conditioning. You say with lots of effort you can basically do everything like getting horny for a ceiling I say our psyche can only be reconditioned to a certain degree and at some point will hit a wall so some things are not possible imo. 

Haha I just developed feelings for a girl I find really attractive. It's been some time actually since I developed romantic feelings for someone and in her case it's only because of looks. I know full well that she wouldnt be a good romantic partners. So much for my ability to be in conscious control. 

[Keryo Koffa]

4 hours ago, Jannes said:

Well you cant really take psychedelic states of consciousness and say that sober reality will also be like that. 

We disagree to which degree you are able to free yourself from conditioning. You say with lots of effort you can basically do everything like getting horny for a ceiling I say our psyche can only be reconditioned to a certain degree and at some point will hit a wall so some things are not possible imo.

It's Placego, the difference between a person today and 5K years ago is more psychological than physiological.
Life is active evolution balanced with social cohesion and self-determination.
Stuff is always impossible until a crazy person comes along who doesn't care that it is.

4 hours ago, Jannes said:

Haha I just developed feelings for a girl I find really attractive. It's been some time actually since I developed romantic feelings for someone and in her case it's only because of looks. I know full well that she wouldnt be a good romantic partners. So much for my ability to be in conscious control. 

Well, you did catch yourself. And didn't Leo say "Awareness itself is Curative"?
Whichever route you go, the experience with be internalized and embodied.
And because of that, you will grow in nuance, learn and experience.

[Jannes]

On 16.8.2024 at 11:51 AM, Keryo Koffa said:

It's Placego, the difference between a person today and 5K years ago is more psychological than physiological.

Hmm maybe. Our psyche has evolved a lot as well. Certain things trigger parts of your brain which cant just be let go of with deconditioning which is why psychological strategies can be abused like algorithms, sex sells, .. 

On 16.8.2024 at 11:51 AM, Keryo Koffa said:

Well, you did catch yourself. And didn't Leo say "Awareness itself is Curative"?

Yes but I cant stop being attracted to her. I can only decide how I am going about it. 

I couldnt decide being attracted to someone who would be a good fit for me. 

To get back to the topic I would love to be bi and I would love to like mushrooms because they smell so good when cooked in a pan. But when I dont like it I dont like it and there is no way I can talk myself into it. 

[mattm33]

So I don't have anything in me that say's being gay is good or bad, it just is. Is I was gay or bisexual, I'd be fine with it and have no hangups. It just happens that I'm not. I remember watching one of my first porn videos when I was a kid. The camera cut to a closeup of the guys goofy moaning face. I wasn't ready for it and my body reacted by dry heaving before I could even think. I started cracking up laughing and thought "I guess that's one way to know my orientation." I don't find the physical appearance of men appealing. The sound of another man moaning in pleasure is kind of unsettling to me. I've smelled other men plenty of times and it has never been appealing. The smell of my wife's hair might be one of my favorite smells. I probably shouldn't go into detail how I feel about vagina. I've tried watching gay porn just to be extra sure and I did not like it, at all. I actually think my life would be more interesting and obviously open me up to more experiences if I was bisexual. If someone offered me a million dollars to have sex with a man I would try but I literally don't think I could get hard. It doesn't sound fair but the idea of having sex with another man feels similar to the idea of having sex with barn animal. I've tried to be open to the idea. My wife is bisexual. I would actually prefer to be bisexual. But I seem to be 100% straight.

[bambi]

8 minutes ago, mattm33 said:

So I don't have anything in me that say's being gay is good or bad, it just is. Is I was gay or bisexual, I'd be fine with it and have no hangups. It just happens that I'm not. I remember watching one of my first porn videos when I was a kid. The camera cut to a closeup of the guys goofy moaning face. I wasn't ready for it and my body reacted by dry heaving before I could even think. I started cracking up laughing and thought "I guess that's one way to know my orientation." I don't find the physical appearance of men appealing. The sound of another man moaning in pleasure is kind of unsettling to me. I've smelled other men plenty of times and it has never been appealing. The smell of my wife's hair might be one of my favorite smells. I probably shouldn't go into detail how I feel about vagina. I've tried watching gay porn just to be extra sure and I did not like it, at all. I actually think my life would be more interesting and obviously open me up to more experiences if I was bisexual. If someone offered me a million dollars to have sex with a man I would try but I literally don't think I could get hard. It doesn't sound fair but the idea of having sex with another man feels similar to the idea of having sex with barn animal. I've tried to be open to the idea. My wife is bisexual. I would actually prefer to be bisexual. But I seem to be 100% straight.

Have you tried bottoming, I am picking up those vibes from your writing style. Perhaps that could be more your vibe. Theres also sissy orientation that my intuiton tells me youd quite enjoy. Let us know if you give it a go

[mattm33]

8 minutes ago, bambi said:

Have you tried bottoming, I am picking up those vibes from your writing style. Perhaps that could be more your vibe. Theres also sissy orientation that my intuiton tells me youd quite enjoy. Let us know if you give it a go

LOL. My wife and I have tried butt play on each other and neither of us are into it. It's been many years now. I'm a middle aged man with hemorrhoids. Butt's been off the table for a while... Before puberty I would have told you I felt like an alien in a boy's body. After puberty a butch lesbian in a man's body.