Intelectual Knowledge x Embodied Knowledge

[bambi]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

When I speak of understanding I include experience within that. Experience isn't really enough for embodiment, embodiment requires lots of training. Which is why what you can embody is so limited. You simply won't have the time to train everything.

Agree, but Id say that the intersection of understanding and experience is the beginning of embodiment. 

[bambi]

For me this is just Praxis : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis_(process)

[Nemra]

2 minutes ago, bambi said:

I respect your opinion, but I didn't ask for advice. I'm entitled to set and enforce my boundaries with others, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't appreciate any suggestion that it's inappropriate to do so.

Respectfully, you don't have to take my advice, which was appropriate. You decide.

[bambi]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Respectfully, you don't have to take my advice, which was appropriate. You decide.

I appreciate that you're trying to help, but I didn't ask for advice, and it feels totally unsolicited. I'm comfortable making my own decisions and setting my own boundaries. I would prefer if we could avoid giving advice unless it's requested. Thanks for understanding

[CARDOZZO]

What do you understand by the word "embodiment"?

Something that is active 24/7 on your experience? A belly feeling? A relationship to reality?

What is the distinction "embodiment" on your personal experience?

Edited July 29 by CARDOZZO

[bambi]

2 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

What do you understand by the word "embodiment"?

Something that is active 24/7 on your experience? A belly feeling? A relationship to reality?

What is the distinction "embodiment" on your personal experience?

Good questions. 

I would say a fundemental shift in; identity, worldview, intentionality, and behaviours

[Nemra]

4 hours ago, bambi said:

I would prefer if we could avoid giving advice unless it's requested.

I agree, especially when it's a unique situation.

I felt like giving an "advice", which was more of a suggestion, because Yimpa had no control over you while he was being funny by posting out of context things. However, I agree, people can be annoying, which might also depend on my mood. I understand you. I will try not to casually give you a suggestion, no matter how harmless or appropriate I think it is.

Edited July 29 by Nemra

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

God is Unbiased

I would kindly suggest that you try to use discernment when intervening in a serious conversation with so many smart remarks. I was trying to read the comments and every time you commented, it was not suited for what was being discussed. There's a time and a place for everything, and this conversation wasn't one of them. Please note, I'm not trying to do anything here other than to show you how sometimes your likeable personality can be annoying to others especially if it's not being welcomed. I love you, but in a conversation such as the one above, I also found your remarks a bit too much. Try to tone it down when intervening between serious conversations.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

Understanding is becoming fully conscious.

I think one can be conscious that they're trying to understand, but I don't think understanding is becoming fully conscious. I thought about it, and I just couldn't see that. Maybe with a bit more clarity on what you mean by this, i could grasp what you're pointing to, but I don't think it's the case. I don't think the two are correlated in the context in which you put it. 

I could become fully conscious of my breath, my thoughts, my awareness my focus and attention where is the understanding in that. I can understand what it means to be fully conscious; but understanding that doesn't automatically make me fully conscious. Idk, I'll think about it some more.

[Nemra]

I think, in one way, understanding can be defined as becoming conscious of the connections between things.

[Davino]

50 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I think one can be conscious that they're trying to understand, but I don't think understanding is becoming fully conscious.

When you are fully conscious of a figment of Reality, what else is there to understand?

The point is that to understand fully something; Infinity is required. Otherwise it's just degrees. It took infinity for the screen you see to happen to be, in all planes, both metaphysically and conventionally, although that is a high understanding and cognition.

One must understand that understanding is a property of becoming conscious, it is only through consciosness that understanding comes to be, conventionally speaking, and it is the nature of understanding to be consciousness itself, existentially speaking. It's an indistinguishable facet of consciousness itself. That's why Infinite Consciousness is Infinite Understanding is Infinite Omniscience and is Infinite Intelligence. It is so.

50 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I could become fully conscious of my breath, my thoughts, my awareness my focus and attention where is the understanding in that.

Practically speaking inside consciousness you focus your faculties, like concentration and Awareness towards a figment of Consciousness, once the flow of it becomes high enough or it is sustained over time there is a breakthrough of consciousness. It reveals to itself what it is. This happens once and twice and ever more and in ever Infinite Understanding and greater Infinity, you can pull out all of existance from a grain of Sand. 

50 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I can understand what it means to be fully conscious; but understanding that doesn't automatically make me fully conscious.

That's a great understanding! You are conscious of it.

50 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Idk, I'll think about it some more.

Yes, I encourage you!!!

In my proccess, it's important to catch the beast red-handed. The exact nanomoment of understanding and understand what is it. What is insight?

As well as the process of becoming conscious of a figment of Reality and how as it goes on increasing; understanding comes and to see how it does? linearly? abruptly? and all the intelligent, counter intuitive dynamics that go with it.

Understanding Understanding is as slippery as it gets. The ultimate Mind Yoga

 

Edited July 29 by Davino

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Nemra said:

I think, in one way, understanding can be defined as becoming conscious of the connections between things.

Why?

Because when there is a connection between two unconnected things, consciousness increases in cascade effect and so it happens in an intelligent and beautiful way. It's really a poignant example, thanks for bringing it up.

I'll take Leo's example here: Consciousness is like a Universal Internet Field when all dots interconnect, one reaches Omniscience

Edited July 29 by Davino

[UnbornTao]

Like the difference between being given an explanation on how to do something versus being able to produce that result non-randomly.

Even though it is reasonably easy to intellectually understand an explanation provided by a skillful person, that doesn’t mean you’re able to do it, much less with the same skill level. The explanation, and logically making sense of it, aren't the action. Of course, the trap lies in conflating these distinctions, assuming that since the explanation sounds simple, you already know what the communication is about. Judging the expression and operating from impressions is another common pitfall.

Understanding requires making new functional distinctions within your experience. Just thinking and intellect alone generally won’t cut it, depending on what we’re talking about. We tend to get confused on what's experience and what's concept.

Edited July 31 by UnbornTao

[Salvijus]

Everything that you do is a statement about who you are 

Who you are is shaped by how concious you are

How concious you are is how much you understand. 

What is it that you truly understand is reflected in everything that you do. 

Everything that you do is a statement about who you are 

 

Edited July 29 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

"Tell me you're enlightened without telling me you're enlightened"

That's embodiment. 

If you act like a moron, you are a moron

If you act like wise person, you are a concious person. 

There's no way to seperate who you are from what you do. 

Edited July 29 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

You can claim you understand something only if you have authority over it. 

If you have authority over diseases, you understand medicine. 

If you have authority over crafting, you understand engineering. 

If you have authority over inner wellbeing, you understand the spirit realms

If you were to understand the whole of creation, you'd have the authority of a God. An infinite authority. 

The level of your embodiment is the level of authority/control you have over that particular field.  

Edited July 29 by Salvijus

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

When you are fully conscious of a figment of Reality, what else is there to understand?

The point is that to understand fully something; Infinity is required. Otherwise it's just degrees. It took infinity for the screen you see to happen to be, in all planes, both metaphysically and conventionally, although that is a high understanding and cognition.

One must understand that understanding is a property of becoming conscious, it is only through consciosness that understanding comes to be, conventionally speaking, and it is the nature of understanding to be consciousness itself, existentially speaking. It's an indistinguishable facet of consciousness itself. That's why Infinite Consciousness is Infinite Understanding is Infinite Omniscience and is Infinite Intelligence. It is so.

Practically speaking inside consciousness you focus your faculties, like concentration and Awareness towards a figment of Consciousness, once the flow of it becomes high enough or it is sustained over time there is a breakthrough of consciousness. It reveals to itself what it is. This happens once and twice and ever more and in ever Infinite Understanding and greater Infinity, you can pull out all of existance from a grain of Sand. 

That's a great understanding! You are conscious of it.

Yes, I encourage you!!!

In my proccess, it's important to catch the beast red-handed. The exact nanomoment of understanding and understand what is it. What is insight?

As well as the process of becoming conscious of a figment of Reality and how as it goes on increasing; understanding comes and to see how it does? linearly? abruptly? and all the intelligent, counter intuitive dynamics that go with it.

Understanding Understanding is as slippery as it gets. The ultimate Mind Yoga

 

I understand. I guess I'm fully conscious.😜

Edited July 29 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Everything that you do is a statement about who you are

So a teacher is just a teacher.

 

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Who you are is shaped by how concious you are

So my identity is shaped by how conscious I am. 

 

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

What is it that you truly understand is reflected in everything that you do. 

So everybody is acting according to what the understand. So what is it that a thief understands.

 

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Everything that you do is a statement about who you are 

You repeated this one twice, so I guess you're just a repetitive human.

 

[Forestluv]

This thread reminds me why psychedelics can be very useful in expanding / deepening understanding. 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

So a teacher is just a teacher

Being a teacher tells at least something about you, yes. 

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

So my identity is shaped by how conscious I am. 

Yes. 

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

So everybody is acting according to what they understand. So what is it that a thief understands.

A thief has an entire philosophy why stealing is okay. That one action can be a result of very complex belief/perception/understanding system. 

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

You repeated this one twice, so I guess you're just a repetitive human.

Mmm. Yes, on one level I repeated myself. But repeating myself was not my goal. Repeating myself was a result of a completely different intention. 

Edited July 29 by Salvijus