Intelectual Knowledge x Embodied Knowledge

[CARDOZZO]

We have to make this distinction.

We have understanding levels, like a spectrum from superficial understanding to deep embodied belly understanding.

The knowledge burns on your belly. You feel it, you are it.

That's why people read 200 self-help books but nothing really changes.

We have to pursue a deep understanding that burns your old self.

I hope @Leo Gura new course can facilitate ourselves on this path.

 

[CARDOZZO]

Experiential Understanding 🔥

[UnbornTao]

How could we define each term?

How can we move in the direction of experiential understanding?

[CARDOZZO]

4 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

How could we define each term?

How can we move in the direction of experiential understanding?

Contemplation.

Reading is not enough.

Test your assumptions, doing, refining the model, asking profound questions, teach to others, try different ways to do the same thing.

[Davino]

I agree, belly understanding is the deepest layer of embodiment.

There's a lot to be learned from the belly and how it cognises and digests reality.

[NoSelfSelf]

But its you who makes the understanding ,no book or course can help you with that ,they are just pointers for you to make the understanding that only you can apply.

When you a programmed to think book will give you understanding then your embodiment will be zero, because you wont know what to do with it or its just gonna be information in your head.

 

Its "tough" to create understanding of the information since you are basically making it out of nothing that's why mind(you) is lazy, so lets assume the understanding of the book and not be able to embody it is nice decoy.

Edited July 28 by NoSelfSelf

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Reading is not enough.

Reading is Understanding.

Who is reading what?

Edited July 28 by Yimpa

[NoSelfSelf]

@Yimpa no its not ,reading is just taking in the information, understanding is what you are doing with it.

[Yimpa]

Just now, NoSelfSelf said:

reading is just taking in the information, understanding is what you are doing with it.

And both it is.

Edited July 28 by Yimpa

[NoSelfSelf]

@Yimpa okay you and your yimpa to conclusions.

[Yimpa]

[Leo Gura]

Reading 200 books is not really understanding. It's just a basic step for eliminating sheer ignorance.

Real understanding requires much more serious contemplation.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Knowledge, wisdom, insights, intuition, intelligence, and any intellectual or non-intellectual form of knowledge or understanding that is not embodied or materialized in the real world is useless in my opinion.

A very shortsighted position.

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

A very shortsighted position.

What use does it have then?

[Davino]

5 hours ago, Raze said:

What use does it have then?

You cannot reduce understanding to utilitarianism. I may wanna learn about Saturn 🪐 for it's own sake. It is possible to understand useless things for your life or even the human POV; just because I may love understanding at every level and within all its manifestations.

So it depends for why do you want to understand and then you adjust your object of study according to that.

[Leo Gura]

You cannot know what is useful or useless until you understand reality.

And the most important things transcend survival utility.

If you operate by what is useful, you are just being a survival monkey, which will entrap your mind.

If you wanna keep being a monkey, always follow what is most useful.

Edited July 29 by Leo Gura

[bambi]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can know what is useful or useless until you understand reality.

And the most important things transcend survival utility.

If you operate by what is useful, you are just being a survival monkey, which will entrap your mind.

If you wanna keep being a monkey, always follow what is most useful.

Your giving precisely 0 value propition to the intellectual part. 

They arent even asking how it effects survival.

They are asking besides mental masturbation - which is fine if thats your hobby - what other value does it bring

In most spirituality, embodied realisation decresaes or permenantly cessates: anxiety, shame, guilt, pride, ego, regret, anger, bitterness, resentment etc etc, and increase: basline joy, peace, love, acceptence, which means your relationships become better, your mood improves and life gets easier

 

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, bambi said:

They arent even asking how it effects survival.

They are asking besides mental masturbation - which is fine if thats your hobby - what other value does it bring

Value IS survival.

I specifically don't play into that frame. 

If you are looking for value, you will never understand reality.

But enjoy chasing your value like a monkey grasping for bananas.

What you are overlooking is that you cannot know the value of anything until you understand it first.

Understanding is more fundamental than value or survival.

What is the value of nuclear physics to a baboon?

Edited July 29 by Leo Gura

[bambi]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Value IS survival.

I specifically don't play into that frame. 

If you are looking for value, you will never understand reality.

But enjoy chasing your value like a monkey grasping for bananas.

What you are overlooking is that you cannot know the value of anything until you understand it first.

Your assuming people here are being disengenious with you, or purposefully playing games. Thats not the case. People are genuinely asking these questions, and your speaking to them in flippant condescending way, and its hard to know whats going on, why are you treating them like this? Are you pissed off at them? Are you tired of repeating yourself or something?

I dont actually agree fully with your assessment, human survival is one aspect of conciousness, and depending on your level of development, human survival entails many different things. All levels of human surivival come with their own pros/cons, but its definately sensible to discuss these and not equate or rationalise them all away as being the same.

Also human survival and conciousness are deeply intertwined, they aren't two independant phenomonon, human beings are conciousness, at different levels of instantiation. So its an important discussion to have, ltierally the quality of peoples lives depend on this type of discussions

Maybe you have made these opinions of yours before and your bored of stating it, but taking your posts on face value just leaves one confused, both at what your actually triyng to say (your posts are obtuse), and the underlying attidude 

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, bambi said:

Your assuming people here are being disengenious with you, or purposefully playing games.

I took the questions very seriously.

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People are genuinely asking these questions, and your speaking to them in flippant condescending way, and its hard to know whats going on, why are you treating them like this? Are you pissed off at them? Are you tired of repeating yourself or something?

I am mirroring the flippancy exhibited toward those aspects of reality which are seemingly valueless.

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So its an important discussion to have, ltierally the quality of peoples lives depend on this type of discussions

I agree.

The quality of your life depends on you recognizing that valueless things should not be so flippantly dismissed and overlooked.

Edited July 29 by Leo Gura