Is 5meo worth it?

[UnbornTao]

On 30/07/2024 at 7:50 AM, BlessedLion said:

Plus I’ve had many awakenings on MDMA and shrooms just fine. 

I'd press you on that by asking what you hold awakening to be.

What remains after the experience is likely just a memory of a state change, whether dramatic, healing, loving or relaxing is secondary. Rarely is it a genuine direct consciousness of the nature of something. A powerful state change may often be conflated with enlightenment.

Edited July 31 by UnbornTao

[What Am I]

8 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

Never done 5MEO but from what I read and see, it doesn’t appeal me much. Seems to intense and quick. 
 

Plus I’ve had many awakenings on MDMA and shrooms just fine. 
 

Honestly the best is when you no longer need psychedelics at all 

If you can get your hands on some 5meo, and you have an interest in using a kind of cheat code to experience some of the most prized higher states of meditation, then it'd be really hard to argue its value. 5meo is on a whole other level from shrooms, and especially from MDMA. It's much more consistent in its revealing of certain aspects. Almost all other psychedelics can be all over the place in terms of what they show you, but 5meo is like meditation personified.

But if you're just at a point in your life where you want to pursue spirituality while sober, that may be the ideal we should all eventually strive for, so that's awesome.

[Davino]

11 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

Never done 5MEO but from what I read and see, it doesn’t appeal me much. Seems to intense and quick. 

You don't wanna miss 5meo. It's not that intense plugged, I'm telling you weed is more intense for me than 5meo. It's the most accurate tool for this work, don't miss this opportunity for your life.

[Davino]

4 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Because it likely relates to a change in state but we fail to see that. What remains after the experience is a memory.

If you get rapped tonight, next morning I'll tell you: it's just memory.

Experience utterly changes you. Mind opens up and cannot return to its original anal form.

Consciousness is not memory. How to arrive at your home is mediated by memory. Why demonizing memory in Spirituality? Your body is the memory of your food.

[Schizophonia]

Most of psychedelics essentially act on 5HT2A, they increase ego and directs consciousness towards conceptual complexity.

5 MeO DMT at the opposite have a way, way stronger affinity on 5HT1A receptor who actually decrease stress response and therefore ego.

[Davino]

@Schizophonia All drugs alone that I've tried are inferior to the 5meos for consciousness work. There is no comparison between mushroom or mdma and 5meo-Dmt or Malt.

 

[OBEler]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

@Schizophonia All drugs alone that I've tried are inferior to the 5meos for consciousness work. There is no comparison between mushroom or mdma and 5meo-Dmt or Malt.

 

I absolutely can confirm this .

5 Meo is just another level. People who never tried 5 Meo don't know, I feel sad for them.

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

@Schizophonia All drugs alone that I've tried are inferior to the 5meos for consciousness work. There is no comparison between mushroom or mdma and 5meo-Dmt or Malt.

 

What consciousness work do you do ?

In my case i don't care LSD is way way more pleasant than 5 MeO DMT. Under LSD I go back to memories of when I was a fetus, I turn into a planet, and stuff like that.

It's incredible.

[shree]

5 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Under LSD I go back to memories of when I was a fetus, I turn into a planet, and stuff like that.

It's incredible.

Do you set particular intentions to achieve that? 

How does your set and setting look like?

[What Am I]

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

What consciousness work do you do ?

In my case i don't care LSD is way way more pleasant than 5 MeO DMT. Under LSD I go back to memories of when I was a fetus, I turn into a planet, and stuff like that.

It's incredible.

LSD is actually one of the very few psychedelics that can somewhat reliably put you into a similar non-dual white light samadhi state as 5meo. I'm pretty sure that's why high-dose users of LSD can get flashbacks, which I believe is the same phenomenon as 5meo reactivations. Coincidentally, I believe they're both just kundalini syndrome, which you can get with skillful meditation alone, and no psychedelic use at all.

I believe LSD also strongly acts on 5HT1A. There's probably something significant about those receptors where higher states are concerned.

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, shree said:

Do you set particular intentions to achieve that? 

How does your set and setting look like?

Not at all, it directly come to me.

[bambi]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

@Schizophonia All drugs alone that I've tried are inferior to the 5meos for consciousness work. There is no comparison between mushroom or mdma and 5meo-Dmt or Malt.

 

What about 5meo mipt is it the same?

[bambi]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Most of psychedelics essentially act on 5HT2A, they increase ego and directs consciousness towards conceptual complexity.

5 MeO DMT at the opposite have a way, way stronger affinity on 5HT1A receptor who actually decrease stress response and therefore ego.

LOL this theory doesnt hold up in reality, most people tend to have incredibly stressful and traumatic experiences on 5meodmt. I hope its the relxing experience you depict

Im gonna have to fly internationally to get some, my other batch got destroyed by post

[OBEler]

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

What consciousness work do you do ?

In my case i don't care LSD is way way more pleasant than 5 MeO DMT. Under LSD I go back to memories of when I was a fetus, I turn into a planet, and stuff like that.

It's incredible.

Strange my girlfriend on LSD could also become planets and went to becoming a fetus again too.

She also experienced being a whole race of animals. Being towns etc. This kind of stuff is not topic of 5 Meo.

 

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, What Am I said:

LSD is actually one of the very few psychedelics that can somewhat reliably put you into a similar non-dual white light samadhi state as 5meo. I'm pretty sure that's why high-dose users of LSD can get flashbacks, which I believe is the same phenomenon as 5meo reactivations. Coincidentally, I believe they're both just kundalini syndrome, which you can get with skillful meditation alone, and no psychedelic use at all.

Under my first trip (150ug), i "danced" (well, rather balanced myself from left to right on my bed) and i finished by crying of extasy, idk if it can be considered as samadhi.

4 minutes ago, What Am I said:

 

I believe LSD also strongly acts on 5HT1A. There's probably something significant about those receptors where higher states are concerned.

 Yes but not as much as 5 MeO at all, and it has a good finish to all dopamine receptors. It removes the nausea and makes it much warmer. Even at very high dosages.

[bambi]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

Under my first trip (150ug), i "danced" (well, rather balanced myself from left to right on my bed) and i finished by crying of extasy, idk if it can be considered as samadhi.

 Yes but not as much as 5 MeO at all, and it has a good finish to all dopamine receptors. It removes the nausea and makes it much warmer. Even at very high dosages.

I concur LSD is my favourite psychedelic so far

[Schizophonia]

5 minutes ago, bambi said:

LOL this theory doesnt hold up in reality, most people tend to have incredibly stressful and traumatic experiences on 5meodmt. I hope its the relxing experience you depict

Im gonna have to fly internationally to get some, my other batch got destroyed by post

It's weird to say, but suppressing the stress response is going to be scary. Part of the purpose of the stress response is to prepare you for survival, it's the ego.
For example, amphetamines are extremely stressful and they make you think you're the king of the world. Even corticosteroids can have a euphoric effect.

 

Edited July 30 by Schizophonia

[What Am I]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

Yes but not as much as 5 MeO at all, and it has a good finish to all dopamine receptors. It removes the nausea and makes it much warmer. Even at very high dosages.

For sure, LSD is very complex in its action. I can see why people enjoy it. It seems like it's able to open all kinds of doors in addition to the white light one I mentioned.

[What Am I]

5 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Under my first trip (150ug), i "danced" (well, rather balanced myself from left to right on my bed) and i finished by crying of extasy, idk if it can be considered as samadhi.

lol perhaps not compared to what I'm describing. It sounds fun though.

[bambi]

3 minutes ago, What Am I said:

For sure, LSD is very complex in its action. I can see why people enjoy it. It seems like it's able to open all kinds of doors in addition to the white light one I mentioned.

I have this white light experience on LSD with 250ug, was incredibly intense and quite terrofying considering the previous 1hr was spent in demonic hell realm visions

Now its more like being on the outer orbit of the white light, I take it, energy buils up and then theres a feeling of sucking up out of rabbit holes and threads of conciousness and merging slowly towards this centre thing, kinda wierd actually