Solipsism is not depressing

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Davino said:

Let's differentiate between Classic solipsism vs Existential Solipsism. I've had a short conversation with ChatGPT to help me ilustrate this point:

 

The solipsism we are talking about is the one explained by Leo, in which there is a god who consciously creates a scenario to deceive himself by playing a game, to do something and not just be a god, which is boring. Then , only me is real and the others are just images that dissapear when I close my eyes. He said that a kangaroo is created only in the front side, just the side that is showed, because it's like a video game that's is being created in real time to play

[Ishanga]

@Davino That is interesting, as I did not do any significant research like asking AI to compare things as You did above, but I classified my understanding of Solipsism as Egoic or Narcissistic, but with the Experiential aspect as described above then I can see how one can say Yes I am a Solipsist, as it recognizes an all Inclusive Experience (Oneness, Completeness, Absolutist) but that form comes from that, which is the same things as saying all is Brahman, and that I am Brahman as is every other form, it acknowledges Form but that everything stems from this Brahman...I can accept that definition.

My problem lies mostly in how ppl communicate it, when they do psychedelics or have grand Enlightened Experience then come back and say "I am Everything, or I am God..." for me this turns me off, it shouldn't be communicated this way, as there is no "I" in Absolute, there is just an Experience of Oneness, so I would phrase it like this "I experienced everything as One", again with using language to discuss these things it sooner or later forms contradictions and misnomers in a sense, you cannot directly discuss these things, only theorize and/or relate personal experiences, not make claims! 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

it not conceivable that on a higher plane of awareness we are creating each other and ourselves for the experience

Then someone with a higher level of consciousness could make them all dance together or dissapear 

[Ishanga]

14 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@Breakingthewall If you watch a tv show, how real are the characters, how real are we, each other and ourselves? Is it not conceivable that on a higher plane of awareness we are creating each other and ourselves for the experience, it does not take away the authentic evolution of our desires or the local realness of survival. Under psychedelics, it's like the pathway of light is being curved ever more with the doses until you become the singularity of self-reflecting thoughts, emotions, sensations and ego self-construction mechanisms, whose nature you can see through...

I don't think I know it all, but from what I have researched by those that are in the Know, or they and others say they are, we are manifestations of Brahman, or Absolute, there is a realm of Absolute, its all about Oneness and Potential and a Grand Intelligence of sorts (don't think of this sort of Intelligence that is calculating or like we have we we figure things out or invent stuff, think a billions times more intelligence than how AI is supposed to be, something that is so complex  (think of how complex an atom is) and connected and perfect in a way, that is Grand Intelligence or Source Code), but in the Absolute there is no experience or duality or karma, but Potential is there, via that Potential we have to appear, as does every other potential or possibility that can happen, so here we are in this material dual world as Human Beings, we are the most evolved life on this planet, but we can experience and live life like an animal or below animal nature, or God like, totally connected to everything via our Experience, so via Experience we work this out, play the game of leela and try to live beyond our animal nature which is very possible for most all of Us! 

Existence goes from Gross to Subtle, Subtle is Absolute, Gross is Us in animal form on this planet Earth where Duality exists, but Absolute in a way is our basic foundation, we have to strive to find it within ourselves!

Edited July 22 by Ishanga

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51 minutes ago, Davino said:

Is it so different really?

How many consciousness there are?

Ramana used to say: Are there 8 billion "I" in the world or is there only One I manifesting through All, please find out.

It’s the last one 

[Davino]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The solipsism we are talking about is the one explained by Leo, in which there is a god who consciously creates a scenario to deceive himself by playing a game, to do something and not just be a god, which is boring. Then , only me is real and the others are just images that dissapear when I close my eyes. He said that a kangaroo is created only in the front side, just the side that is showed, because it's like a video game that's is being created in real time to play

Don't strawman Leo's position on Solipsism. We both know it's a much more nuanced and complex notion than the one you are presenting. I'm amazed you haven't seriously considered you are the only one in existence, with all your Awakenings this is an obscured facet in your path. I'm sure you've had Solipsistic experiences but you aren't recognising them for what they are.

I prefer calling it Existential Solipsism as I find it more representative of the actual beast. It's a personal naming choice.

[Spiritual Warfare]

35 minutes ago, Davino said:

Let's differentiate between Classic solipsism vs Existential Solipsism. I've had a short conversation with ChatGPT to help me ilustrate this point:

 

Existential Solipsism definitely matches more reality! I think solipsism has truthful claims to an extent but I don’t really know if I buy all of it and I don’t believe someone can prove it to be a fact not even Leo himself😮

[Keryo Koffa]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then someone with a higher level of consciousness could make them all dance together or dissapear 

someone would be them and they would dance of their own volition, unless they didn't want to which would also be someone's expanded decision. Someone has control to make oneself disappear or reconstruct one's own experience but to override another, one would have to become the other and conquer their ego barrier

[Davino]

@Ishanga Words were tripping us up. We actually share a similar understanding.

Also please consider that I'm equally cringed by the Solipsistic talk on the forum

Edited July 22 by Davino

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Just now, Davino said:

@Ishanga Words were tripping us up. We actually share a similar understanding.

Also please consider that I'm equally cringed by the Solipsistic talk on the forum

Respect you made it out alive

[Davino]

@MarioGabrielJ First time this happened in a Solipsistic debate in the forum. We arrived to greater understanding and we all grew in the process. I should get a mod medal for this

[Spiritual Warfare]

3 minutes ago, Davino said:

@MarioGabrielJ First time this happened in a Solipsistic debate in the forum. We arrived to greater understanding and we all grew in the process. I should get a mod medal for this

Hey! where it’s my medal? Oh you are me forget it 

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, Davino said:

Don't strawman Leo's position on Solipsism

You are wrong, solipsism implies that others have no real experience. Leo has said it hundreds of times, you can watch the video if you want. Leo now doesn't believe in solipsism anymore btw, he has changed his vision, it's obvious.

Obviously, the solipsism that you propose, that everything is the manifestation of being, is obviously real. Nobody doubts that, everything is existence, everything is the infinite in different forms. That is not solipsism, solipsism is that when I am talking to you, you have no real consciousness, you are a robot created by me for a series of reasons, such as waking up, or keeping me asleep.

Edited July 22 by Breakingthewall

[Spiritual Warfare]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You are wrong, solipsism implies that others have no real experience. Leo has said it hundreds of times, you can watch the video if you want. Leo now doesn't believe in solipsism anymore btw, he has changed his vision, it's obvious.

Obviously, the solipsism that you propose, that everything is the manifestation of being, is obviously real. Nobody doubts that, everything is existence, everything is the infinite in different forms. That is not solipsism, solipsism is that when I am talking to you, you have no real consciousness, you are a robot created by me for a series of reasons, such as waking up, or keeping me asleep.

In one year Leo will say I have reached another awakening and it took me back to solipsism that I thought was wrong but is actually right🙃

[Davino]

If you wanna read more about my takes on Solipsism I wrote this post some months ago that explains how Solipsism feels while being in a party or playing football. Something that is not theoretical but where I share my personal experience.

 

[OBEler]

Leo claimed in his solipsism video your little bubble of perceptions, what you are aware of right now, is all that exist. There exists nothing outside.

At first it sounds like Ego Solipsism what he is talking about.But on the other hand if my bubble contains the infinity, it's existential Solipsism. What do you think?

[Davino]

It doesn't matter what Leo says or how he frames it or the signal to noise ratio of his message on Solipsism. What does matter is for you to realize that I am Infinite and all is contained in Consciousness.

This of course has been realized by Leo.

[Keryo Koffa]

On 7/22/2024 at 11:01 PM, MarioGabrielJ said:

In one year Leo will say I have reached another awakening and it took me back to solipsism that I thought was wrong but is actually right🙃

@MarioGabrielJ It's called "Spiral" Dynamics for a reason, it spirals between individual and collective, it spirals between other dualities and tendencies, there's no reason why it couldn't spiral back in and out of solipsism, however it would be an entirely new form of solipsism including and transcending all past paradigms and so while the word itself might remain as a reference for the type of experience, the thing itself would be closer to the previous "non-solipsistic" stage, though it would also share cross differences and so forth. And that's why we're all having infinite discussions here. Even beyond schemas like it, everything spirals back and forth as we acquire new understandings unless we leave these ideas behind altogether, if it makes sense...