how the hell do people "awaken" and maintain materialism?

[emil1234]

in this post I am directing focus towards the so called "awakened" materialists, i.e people like daniel ingram, michael taft, artem boytsov, to a certain extend frank yang), with reference to my own subjective experience of awakening

im not even nearing enlightenment, but after around 5 years of spiritual practice (2 years of intense practice), it is absolutley clear to me that materialism cannot hold.

There are two aspects to this; subjective perception of reality, i.e state of consciousness. From my current level of perception, it is absolutley clear to me that reality is not material, and again, im not "enligthened" at all.

The second aspect is the increasing  undeniable response from the external world. This in my opinion is the nail in the coffin for the materialist, and the reason i dont understand how you can awaken and maintain materialism, because in my experience, it is undeinable that the "external" world communicates increasingly more intensively as consciousness levels increase, to the point where there is an undeniable interaction between mind and reality. some people call this syncronicities or law of attraction. i generally dont like these terms, as they pose a new age woo woo kind of style, which is not at ALL the intention i want to express,

Since we do not fully know the full capacities of the brain, it follows that we are unable to definitively rule out spiritual experiences as a byproduct of brain activity, no matter how intense ones experiences might be. The key to debunking materialism in my opinion, lies in the interplay between mind and the external world, because in proving the oneness of the two (mind and world), materialism is evaporated. 

As mentioned briefly, during my spiritual journey, what has convinced me thoroughly is not only the obviousness of the truth of the higher states of consciousness, but more so the confirmation that the external world feeds back to you. again, the link between mind and reality is absolutley cruical.

during my awakening period, i've experienced several supernatural phenomena such as telepathy, through the web of Oneness (hereby confirming its existence as an external phenomena and NOT merely hallucinated by the brain). This literally happened on my second psychedelic trip ever, and ive experienced it several times since, so how people can go through "Full awakening" and not have experiences like this i dont quite understand. But who knows, maybe its super rare. I've also experienced so called "syncronicities", to the point i'd also label them supernatural (stuff like thinking of a person i havent talked to for six months, and having them text me within the same instant. stuff like this happened MANY MANY times, and intensively increasingly during periods of increased consciousness). 

Putting the pieces together, i've been getting increasing "syncronicities", to the point where I notice they've been showing up all my life, ever since my birth. The obviousness of the design of life, and the message that life is constantly conveying is becoming undeniable. Stuff showing up in my life today, which is making stuff in my childhood make COMPLETE sense, in an extremely symbolic way, not necessearily in a logical sense, and not stuff like why i became the person that i am. but more so an understanding of an extremely symbolic and poetic, "hidden" communion between myself and the universe, which seemingly has been going on since the start of my life. I would truly love to elaborate on this, but this is the most precise i can get, since this stuff is extremely intricate. i guess you just have to take my word for it haha, there is an undeniable constant communion between oneself and the universe. 

I want to press that i am not easily convinced at all, and i was a hardcore atheist until 5 years ago where i had my first psychedelic experience. ive always been a proponent of believing in direct experience, and thus a God or higher power seemed illusory and fairy taley until i had my psychedelic experiences. 

Now, syncronicities and "responses" from the external world does not NECESSARILY mean that idealism is the case, since absolute knowledge cannot be genereated in a relative sense, but it is an extremely strong indication in my opinion, since it is proof of an interaction between mind and the reality that is generated.

 

Edited July 21 by emil1234

[Sugarcoat]

Interesting post. I have similar experiences with the telepathy and synchronicities 

Edited July 20 by Sugarcoat

[An young being]

Can you explain more in detail about the telepathy experiences? I haven't heard much about them, although I'm familiar with synchronicities.

[An young being]

Synchronicities can be a part of the materialistic world. The interconnectedness might be observed by science if they dig deeper and deeper. The universe seems to follow certain laws, and spiritual phenomenon also follows certain patterns.

We shouldn't assume materialism is something we already know of, even science knows very less about the intricate connections within the universe. But I agree that most of the scientific people are still closed minded compared to the spiritual ones. 

[An young being]

The awakening experience of course, the one where you feel in union, is devoid of all experiences. I don't know if it can be termed materialistic, since it means shutting down most of your brain activity. 

[emil1234]

21 hours ago, An young being said:

Can you explain more in detail about the telepathy experiences? I haven't heard much about them, although I'm familiar with synchronicities.

I just tried to write a detailed description, but it really does it no justice at all, and im not able to describe it in a way that replicates the sitiatuion in the slightest.

In short, what happened, was that my friend had his back turned on me. I intensively directed my attention / focus / energy towards his energy, using the web of Oneness / universal consciousness as a medium. I was able to see how the energies penetrated his energies, and as a result of this, he turned around, looked at me intensively for about 10 seconds, and at excactly the same time we connected to the universal consciousness fully. Its typically a very distinct moment when you link up with the universal consciousness, its like you tap into the vein of the universe, and feel the heart beat of existence. I was able to both visually see and feel that my friend too tapped into the universal consciousness. right at the moment it happened, i instantly said; "Did you feel that?" he looked very shocked and answered "yes i did"

Right after it happened, he was able to fully describe and account for the experience of becoming one with the universal consciousness. we had not ever talked about any form of universal consciosuness or anything like that prior to this, and i dont believe he even heard about spirituality and oneness in the slightest neither.

Again, this description does it no justice. What i will say is that it was extremely obvious that this connection happened using the universal consciousness as a medium. It is extremely clear that we had a very real interaction, it is completely undeniable (from both of our perspectives) that this happened

Edited July 21 by emil1234

[Sugarcoat]

Telepathy is mysterious but it’s a real thing when one experiences it one will know. I’m curious if neuroscience will get into it and if there will be a scientific explanation. As science evolves and might start including spiritual phenomena we will see the two areas come together. So no longer this polar opposite of materialism vs spiritually 

Edited July 21 by Sugarcoat

[Ishanga]

@emil1234 Good post and sharing, for sure You've had Awakening, I would just keep on doing what Your doing and let nature take its course.

Guys Like Frank Yang, you mentioned him, lots around here think he's something special, I don't see it, he looks super egoic and likes to show off, looking for fame of sorts, I wouldn't follow or listen to anyone like him when it comes to Spiritual Teachings or as an example of that... So these sorts of ppl are not on the path, its something else, that is why they still luv the materialism and such.

Others on the right path use materialism to support their mission to help others elevate their Consciousness, this is the way of things in today's world, $$ has to be spent if one wants to to big things in the world, Sadhguru's course are cheap compared to others, I paid only $150 US for his Online IE course when I did it in 2012, its is priceless in how effective it is and how well it worked, others charge 100X this for shit courses, so it says allot and can be easily seen...

[Javfly33]

@emil1234 couldnt agree more! Great observation.

IMO your question can be easily answered by saying They are Not Awake.

When you are truly Awake, you Walk on a DMT-LIKE state of consciousness 24/7. 

Thats what It means to end the illusion. You constantly experience this present moment as Infinite consciousness and awareness. Because is not a state of consciousness, is the Truth. 

[Breakingthewall]

On 20/7/2024 at 0:48 PM, emil1234 said:

The key to debunking materialism in my opinion, lies in the interplay between mind and the external world, because in proving the oneness of the two (mind and world), materialism is evaporated. 

Marerialism means that reality is made of matter. This is partly true, the question would be: what is matter made of? It is scientifically known that matter is energy. If you join a particle of matter with another equivalent of antimatter, they become energy.

Therefore, a proton is a form, a very stable organization of energy. So the question would be: what is energy? How and why is it organized into stable patterns? You could say that the mind is energy, and therefore, in general, the fact that it can interact with matter to a certain extent does not mean anything.

I suppose there will come a point where science reaches mysticism and it will be seen that science and mysticism are the same, only that each of them has an opposite point of origin. Science begins from the ultimate manifestations and goes into the origin, and mysticism begins at the origin to then go to the manifestation.

[An young being]

3 hours ago, emil1234 said:

I just tried to write a detailed description, but it really does it no justice at all, and im not able to describe it in a way that replicates the sitiatuion in the slightest.

In short, what happened, was that my friend had his back turned on me. I intensively directed my attention / focus / energy towards his energy, using the web of Oneness / universal consciousness as a medium. I was able to see how the energies penetrated his energies, and as a result of this, he turned around, looked at me intensively for about 10 seconds, and at excactly the same time we connected to the universal consciousness fully. Its typically a very distinct moment when you link up with the universal consciousness, its like you tap into the vein of the universe, and feel the heart beat of existence. I was able to both visually see and feel that my friend too tapped into the universal consciousness. right at the moment it happened, i instantly said; "Did you feel that?" he looked very shocked and answered "yes i did"

Right after it happened, he was able to fully describe and account for the experience of becoming one with the universal consciousness. we had not ever talked about any form of universal consciosuness or anything like that prior to this, and i dont believe he even heard about spirituality and oneness in the slightest neither.

Again, this description does it no justice. What i will say is that it was extremely obvious that this connection happened using the universal consciousness as a medium. It is extremely clear that we had a very real interaction, it is completely undeniable (from both of our perspectives) that this happened

Great, thank you for sharing!