What is God?

[Ishanga]

13 hours ago, Davino said:

@Ishanga Excuse me if I was socially uncalibrated in our first encounters. I am acquainted with Sadghuru's teachings and they have serious limitations I was trying to point out. I'm happy you are benefiting from his teachings.

You obviously are free to do your own spirituality in the way you want. I don't write much anymore in the spiritual sub forum.

If the name of God appears though, I will write. I feel it is my duty to do so. I have experienced God Consciousness and it is clear to me now who has and who hasn't, by the way they write about the topic. It's not narcissism to say I am God, it's the truth, and most surely it doesn't mean what you think it means. 

The truth is very few will be able to explain what God actually is. Not all paths lead to God and Sadghuru won't do it. Maybe Leo does, Sri Anandamayi Ma, Shivapuri Baba or a few others. Realising all that exists is God itself is indeed very rare. If you are interested in having an Epiphany I can give some pointers. Most people honestly don't care, even when the thread name is: What is God?

So just to logically break this down and show You and others the problems, You say everything is God/Absolute, this I can agree with, on a Fundamental Level this is True, but Sadhguru cannot lead me to God, he's a recognized Guru, You have more intuition than him and think Leo is more capable, Lol, okay now I really know where we stand:) This is complete Delusion but that is okay, to each their own...:)

[Davino]

@BlessedLion Thanks for your kind words. I appreciate them. If more people were like you I would feel more comfortable and interested in writing in this subforum.

This place has been hijacked by poor quality spirituality, endless speculation and honestly no work ethic and real spiritual practice.

[Davino]

@Ishanga I'm beyond Sadghuru that's why I know. I'm not more conscious than Leo or Anandamayi.

It's just honest self assessment. I'm sure you say the same about other new age teachers you have found, because you have grown beyond them but you can't see beyond where you are at, nor are you interested in breaking out genuinely, and I respect that. You are God and I respect your sovereignty.

But the truth is you are quite a newbie in Awakening. 

So is most people, while they play it cool but can't stand a deep philosophical conversation without their ego spilling out. Do honest self assessment of where you are at, maybe it's possible to learn quite a few things from more conscious individuals here and help become more conscious the ones that are going up with you in this infinite Conscious Reality called God.

[Ishanga]

16 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Ishanga I'm beyond Sadghuru that's why I know. I'm not more conscious than Leo or Anandamayi.

It's just honest self assessment. I'm sure you say the same about other new age teachers you have found, because you have grown beyond them but you can't see beyond where you are at, nor are you interested in breaking out genuinely, and I respect that. You are God and I respect your sovereignty.

But the truth is you are quite a newbie in Awakening. 

So is most people, while they play it cool but can't stand a deep philosophical conversation without their ego spilling out. Do honest self assessment of where you are at, maybe it's possible to learn quite a few things from more conscious individuals here and help become more conscious the ones that are going up with you in this infinite Conscious Reality called God.

Oh My your worse off than I thought, feeling sorry for You man, hope You come back to earth someday...

[OBEler]

@Davino I tried to open his mind too in a recent thread but it's really difficult he always falls back to sadghuru teachings and thinks that's the only way.

21 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Oh My your worse off than I thought, feeling sorry for You man, hope You come back to earth someday...

We really don't want to insult you but sometimes the direct language is the only way of waking you up. I wouldn't call you a beginner because you are really long on the journey but you are an example of dunning-kruger-effect. I mean by that you think you know much because you studied various spiritual teachings and sadghuru is one of the top for sure. I know that makes you feel entitled, very few here on this forum study him that deep. But nevertheless you completely lack competence in this spiritual field, probably due to a closed mindset and lack of understanding. I feel you are not interested in truth or anything outside your mental box and a discussion becomes then pointless.

 

 

Edited July 22 by OBEler

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Davino I tried to open his mind too in a recent thread but it's really difficult he always falls back to sadghuru teachings and thinks that's the only way.

We really don't want to insult you but sometimes the direct language is the only way of waking you up. I wouldn't call you a beginner because you are really long on the journey but you are an example of dunning-kruger-effect. I mean by that you think you know much because you studied various spiritual teachings and sadghuru is one of the top for sure. I know that makes you entitled, very few here on this forum study him that deep. But nevertheless you completely lack competence in this spiritual field, probably due to a closed mindset and lack of experience. I feel you are not interested in truth or anything outside your little mental box and a discussion becomes then pointless.

Your Forgetting I'm GOD, what is there to do or know when I am GOD!

My recommendation is that You all do You All, I'll do Me, don't worry about Me, just worry about Yourself and Your own lives, helpful tips here and there are okay, but don't try to change anyone, just for the most part concern Yourselves on your own stuff when someone obviously is not willing to take your advice!

I'll probably stop posting here soon, its getting to become a negative aspect of my life experience, this happens on all the forums, ppl getting into clicky groups and gang up on others that are different, plus this place repeats itself too much...

Edited July 22 by Ishanga

[OBEler]

@Ishanga to get some understanding about yourself. You as God limited yourself into your current state of ignorance.

[Keryo Koffa]

@Davino @OBEler @Ishanga "It's not a phase, mom!" - they say 2 days before they change their mind. "SADHGURU! LEO! I'm Leo, I founded actualized.org" they keep shouting  Don't worry, been there, done that, it'll pass! Look up cinema movie trailers, the all went meta and we get all the sequels we want, it's amazing, so chill out!

Edited July 22 by Keryo Koffa

[OBEler]

@Ishanga if you would just for the sake of it searching for truth, no one would point you out. It would be a healthy discussion. But as soon as some of your core beliefs are put into questions you fight back. You switch instantly to terminology from sadghuru and you stop thinking for yourself. Exactly that happened on the last thread where I  debunked your statement one by one and the end of it was that you just said it sounds all crazy and it's a weak argument without giving any reasons. What is that?

 

 

 

[Ishanga]

9 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Ishanga if you would just for the sake of it searching for truth, no one would point you out. It would be a healthy discussion. But as soon as some of your core beliefs are put into questions you fight back. You switch instantly to terminology from sadghuru and you stop thinking for yourself. Exactly that happened on the last thread where I  debunked your statement one by one and the end of it was that you just said it sounds all crazy and it's a weak argument without giving any reasons. What is that?

 

 

 

If this is so, why did I start a thread on Adam Chan and Daoism/Qi Kung and try to focus ppl in a method of that nature? If I am so into Sadhguru (which is okay as he is a top level source of how to evolve and live to higher Potentials), why would I share Adam Chan's stuff, why would he even register on my radar? 

You do the Shambhavi right, how do You do that, claim its powerful and then put the man the created it down, none of it makes any sense, and then You want me to follow your Truth and get into it, same with crazy Davino, why would I follow Your examples, you haven't shown me a reason too in any way, no one here has really, especially Leo, for  me he is one of the worst examples of someone to follow or really listen too...

 

[OBEler]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

If this is so, why did I start a thread on Adam Chan and Daoism/Qi Kung and try to focus ppl in a method of that nature? If I am so into Sadhguru (which is okay as he is a top level source of how to evolve and live to higher Potentials), why would I share Adam Chan's stuff, why would he even register on my radar? 

You do the Shambhavi right, how do You do that, claim its powerful and then put the man the created it down, none of it makes any sense, and then You want me to follow your Truth and get into it, same with crazy Davino, why would I follow Your examples, you haven't shown me a reason too in any way, no one here has really, especially Leo, for  me he is one of the worst examples of someone to follow or really listen too...

 

I love Sadghurus yoga programs and he has great teachings. But when I try to discuss or understand then I don't hold the words he or anyone says for the untouched truth. Because that would be dogmatic and you can't discover new things outside of these teachings.I truly care for truth and that means that sadghuru or any parts of  teachings from Leo or whatever can be false. 

You can do whatever you want but for your personal growth I think it would be immensely important to step out of these teachings and think for yourself. If you don't want truth and just live with this dogma then don't be surprised if people far more developed than you correct you if you discuss with them about such topics.

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, OBEler said:

I love Sadghurus yoga programs and he has great teachings. But when I try to discuss or understand then I don't hold the words he or anyone says for the untouched truth. Because that would be dogmatic and you can't discover new things outside of these teachings.I truly care for truth and that means that sadghuru or any parts of  teachings from Leo or whatever can be false. 

You can do whatever you want but for your personal growth I think it would be immensely important to step out of these teachings and think for yourself. If you don't want truth and just live with this dogma then don't be surprised if people far more developed than you correct you if you discuss with them about such topics.

Yes, but then all of what You have wrote is dogma too, if I collect every post you have written and put it in a book, what is so different from what Sadhguru is doing? Why would I read Your book over his? You say I should go read someone elses work? I have lol, i've researched many paths, on a logical intellectual level, what Sadhguru says still makes more sense and his practices are effective...

If you do not see this point I am going to make right now then  you never will, I've been saying this here for a long time, "We are not Talking about Spirituality, Truth, Reality, Infinity, God, Absolute, in a direct way, we are talking around it,  it is like we are looking at a pool of water and imagining ourselves swimming in it, but in reality we are not Swimming at all, as we are not in the pool! So it is like this here, all this writing and talking and debate means very little, it can only inspire that is all.."

[Breakingthewall]

God is a bad word because it implies a subject who performs an action with a result, and this is duality, anthropomorphism and egoic projection 

The way cycles are organized into more complex cycles, the unlimited intelligence of reality, doesn't work like that. There isn't a guy behind the scenes who is very smart and does very smart things. the bottomless well of reality flows, and this flow is the perceived reality. I wouldn't call this God, just the reality. God is too personal 

Edited July 22 by Breakingthewall

[Davino]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

Yes, but then all of what You have wrote is dogma too, if I collect every post you have written and put it in a book, what is so different from what Sadhguru is doing? Why would I read Your book over his? 

Go to the Highest Conscious material. The problem is how do you know that? The beginner can't orient itself because has no real Awakenings and profound mystical experiences, so it is lost.

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I have lol, i've researched many paths, on a logical intellectual level, what Sadhguru says still makes more sense and his practices are effective...

It's not enough to do it on the logical intellectual level.

Have you tried psychedelics like 5meo?

I bet you my house that 5meo will be a better teacher for your life than Sadghuru.

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

We are not Talking about Spirituality, Truth, Reality, Infinity, God, Absolute, in a direct way, we are talking around it. 

You always say this but what you say is not a bug it's the core feature of infinity, like trying to kiss your own cheek. You would know it's not an error but a property if you were conscious enough and you had studied strange loops. I try to communicate as directly as I can with you but you keep moving angles and throwing away my arrows of truth and communication. I have no clothes, you can shoot directly to my heart.

[Davino]

@Breakingthewall You have your point.

But once you Realize what you are; It is all God, It's Infinity and that's what it is and no matter the misinterpretations, the word that comes up is God and none other fits as God does.

[OBEler]

19 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yes, but then all of what You have wrote is dogma too, if I collect every post you have written and put it in a book, what is so different from what Sadhguru is doing? Why would I read Your book over his? You say I should go read someone elses work? I have lol, i've researched many paths, on a logical intellectual level, what Sadhguru says still makes more sense and his practices are effective...

If you do not see this point I am going to make right now then  you never will, I've been saying this here for a long time, "We are not Talking about Spirituality, Truth, Reality, Infinity, God, Absolute, in a direct way, we are talking around it,  it is like we are looking at a pool of water and imagining ourselves swimming in it, but in reality we are not Swimming at all, as we are not in the pool! So it is like this here, all this writing and talking and debate means very little, it can only inspire that is all.."

19 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

 

It's not his teachings against my. It's not switching from one to another teaching. Forget about all teachings and start to really look what's true.

It's like we are all mathematicians and are talking about a mathematical proof. You can test yourself that 2*2 =4. How would that sound if someone comes up and says 2*2= 3 without any logical explanation. he just said he learned that in his teachings and everyone else is just crazy to think otherwise? That's how I perceive you. That's not how discover what's really true.

Edited July 22 by OBEler

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, OBEler said:

It's not his teachings against my. It's not switching from one to another teaching.

It's like we are all mathematicians and are talking about a mathematical proof. You can test yourself that 2*2 =4. How would that sound if someone comes up and says 2*2= 3 without any logical explanation. he just said he learned that in his teachings and everyone else is just crazy to think otherwise? That's how I perceive you. That's not how discover what's really true. Forget about all teachings and start to really look what's true.

I'm not looking for that sort of Truth first off, I'm looking to establish my Bliss first, I can only go by what feels right...Leo's approach is knowing based which is false, we cannot know reality completely so its a lost path, I can know Bliss, from there I will naturally find Truth, no need to go elsewhere...

[Ishanga]

12 minutes ago, Davino said:

Go to the Highest Conscious material. The problem is how do you know that? The beginner can't orient itself because has no real Awakenings and profound mystical experiences, so it is lost.

It's not enough to do it on the logical intellectual level.

Have you tried psychedelics like 5meo?

I bet you my house that 5meo will be a better teacher for your life than Sadghuru.

You always say this but what you say is not a bug it's the core feature of infinity, like trying to kiss your own cheek. You would know it's not an error but a property if you were conscious enough and you had studied strange loops. I try to communicate as directly as I can with you but you keep moving angles and throwing away my arrows of truth and communication. I have no clothes, you can shoot directly to my heart.

I'm interested in someday for sure trying psychedelics, but for now it is not available for me to do so, and I don't think its is a true way to know, is a supplement of sorts but one needs to have stability first naturally and/or via a method that one can use to get their naturally, once that is established then one can go the dmt route and see...Just look at Your hero Leo, you think he is in a stable condition and knows what reality and truth are? I do not think he does, he's not close IMO....

[Davino]

17 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I'm interested in someday for sure trying psychedelics, but for now it is not available for me to do so, and I don't think its is a true way to know, is a supplement of sorts but one needs to have stability first naturally and/or via a method that one can use to get their naturally, once that is established then one can go the dmt route and see...

That's how I did it also. 

Don't postpone It too much though. It's better than what you expect. You don't wanna miss this plane.

17 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Just look at Your hero Leo, you think he is in a stable condition and knows what reality and truth are? I do not think he does, he's not close IMO....

I don't worship Leo. I deeply respect him because I recognise his genius, insane level of consciousness and holistic intelligence. 

I do my own thing, it's just that I keep getting again and again immense overlapping in my Awakenings and Leo's Awakenings. 

I know Leo knows Truth because I do; and there is considerable overlapping, same with Consciousness, Infinity and Perfection among many other facets. Which constantly are in tune with my own discoverings walking The Truth and Consciousness Quest.

Although we do have different interests here and there and I have my own eccentricities as he has his own. 

If you are good at something you can recognise who is a master in such discipline and who is just starting.

Edited July 22 by Davino

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Davino said:

That's how I did it also. 

Don't postpone It too much though. It's better than what you expect. You don't wanna miss this plane.

I don't worship Leo. I deeply respect him because I recognise his genius, insane level of consciousness and holistic intelligence. 

I do my own thing, it's just that I keep getting again and again immense overlapping in my Awakenings and Leo's Awakenings. 

I know Leo knows Truth because I do; and there is considerable overlapping, same with Consciousness, Infinity and Perfection among many other facets. Which constantly are in tune with my own discoverings walking The Truth and Consciousness Quest.

Although we do have different interests here and there and I have my own eccentricities as he has his own. 

If you are good at something you can recognise who is a master in such discipline and who is just starting.

You admire him too much, what I see You doing with Leo is what You see me doing with Sadhguru, Sadhguru at least has 30+yrs of proof that he is what he says he is, Leo just has a bunch of video's and what he says here on the forum, he hasn't made any real changes in the world on a practical level, Sadhguru has (Rally for Rivers, Cauvery Calling, Conscious Planet/Save Soil, Action for Rural Rejuvenation, Isha Leadership Academy, Inner Engineering Course, Isha Vidhya (isha schools), Isha Gramostovam (celebraton of rural life in India), Prison programs in USA and India, Youth and Truth movement, Isha Samskriti, Tsunami Relief and Rehab, etc etc etc...), so there is no comparison btwn the Two, if You give this list and get someone objective to compare the two and what they have done on the Spiritual stage and Social stage, they will see what is the Truth and who is what they say they are, Leo is of no comparison, not even in the same league!!!