What is God?

[UnbornTao]

3 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Why?
Who are you to decide for me what to say or not to say?
 

Ok.

[Davino]

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

My understanding can’t be speculative because I didn’t claim I understand God. In fact, I claimed the opposite: that God’s infinite intelligence is inaccessible to humans, by design.

That is an assumption then. You are assuming limits regarding something you claim you don't know.

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Yes, I don’t know what God is, but you forgot to mention that you don’t know either. 

You are speculating again, you are guessing. This is not how one realizes God. One needs to become insanely conscious, no guessing is necessary, just a lot of consciousness and a bit of luck or grace.

 

 

[Davino]

@UnbornTao Don't be so harsh either. It's not the way for the revelation of Truth in this case.

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, Lila9 said:

I don’t know what God is, but you forgot to mention that you don’t know either. 

Ahem.

[Spiritual Warfare]

On 2024-07-19 at 11:34 PM, Yimpa said:

It’s spelled solipsism, not lollapalooza

I understand it must be very difficult for you to see Solopolism instead of Solipsism! I hope you have people you can talk to who can get you through this traumatic event you experienced

[Ishanga]

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Throw off your pretentious facade, and stop preaching me, you are not enlightened.

He doesn't recognize the pretentiousness, he like everyone here makes big claims, but when someone else makes different ones, at time they become pretentious and very egoic in nature lol...

People can discuss and disagree on things for sure, but when they claim others are "speculating" and just guessing, lol, who's to say that to someone else when they no very very little about them other than what they write here, its super pretentious to say such things.. Leo is the lead here and it has filtered down to many others in many ways, that is not so good imo...

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

People can discuss and disagree on things for sure, but when they claim others are "speculating" and just guessing, lol, who's to say that to someone else when they no very very little about them other than what they write here

If one is a master musician, one can hear a song and see the level of mastery that the composer has. If I have a PhD in physics I can read a post about physics and know whether they are speculating or have real experience in the matter.

 

In fact if you read the whole conversation this is what happened:

1) I have realised my ultimate nature as God. 

2) I read a post where someone is talking about God. 

3) I recognise it is speculative and point it out. 

4) She recognises it's speculation and does some rationalisations.

5) Point that again

6) She closes up in defensiveness.

This isn't they way one realises God either or has a truthful and mature conversation about the most important thing in the Universe. The fact that you are God. You lose here, I don't. I'm fucking God and that's the truth and what can I say? I don't want to preach anything but on the other hand I can't allow bullshit nor pretend like you aren't God either, because you are God for real and Reality, Consciousness, Self, the qualia of this moment is all Pure God. All you are seeing, hearing, sensing, touching, breathing, everything is your very own Self is God itself.

 

This has to be realized. I can do my best to guide you to this Epiphany as Leo and many others have done with me. Otherwise I respect your dream my beloved God.

 

God helps God to awaken to itself 

Edited July 21 by Davino

[Ishanga]

18 minutes ago, Davino said:

If one is a master musician, one can hear a song and see the level of mastery that the composer has. If I have a PhD in physics I can read a post about physics and know whether they are speculating or have real experience in the matter.

 

In fact if you read the whole conversation this is what happened:

1) I have realised my ultimate nature as God. 

2) I read a post where someone is talking about God. 

3) I recognise it is speculative and point it out. 

4) She recognises it's speculation and does some rationalisations.

5) Point that again

6) She closes up in defensiveness.

This isn't they way one realises God either or has a truthful and mature conversation about the most important thing in the Universe. The fact that you are God. You lose here, I don't. I'm fucking God and that's the truth and what can I say? I don't want to preach anything but on the other hand I can't allow bullshit nor pretend like you aren't God either, because you are God for real and Reality, Consciousness, Self, the qualia of this moment is all Pure God. All you are seeing, hearing, sensing, touching, breathing, everything is your very own Self is God itself.

 

This has to be realized. I can do my best to guide you to this Epiphany as Leo and many others have done with me. Otherwise I respect your dream my beloved God.

 

God helps God to awaken to itself 

Dude You need to Chill and come down to Earth, aren't You suffering from some form of Social Anxiety, didn't You post about this recently asking for help? I'm not holding this against You, we all have some sorts of issues, whether social or interior experiential experiences going on, its not easy being Human especially in this day and age, I just bring this up because You come off as a Megalomaniac in a way, saying what You listed above.. Leo is just like this too, especially lately, but he seems very Grumpy and Aggravated, You are more soft approach but it is there for sure.. We all have a sense of Ego, and follow certain paths and ideologies, this has to happen when Embodied with a Body/Mind Complex, its going to happen, but what You say above is dangerous thinking and understanding of Oneself, I see this all the time in the world and it is not Healthy!

[Davino]

@Ishanga I don't get the point you want to get across.

It's almost impossible to attain God without a very well rounded character, ego and life. Read my signature. Self development and maturity is not bellow attaining God Consciousness, it is crucial to it. The transcendence of the human happens through its embrace and maturity, not its denial. The finitude and limitations of my form are every day more clear to me.

[Ishanga]

27 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Ishanga I don't get the point you want to get across.

It's almost impossible to attain God without a very well rounded character, ego and life. Read my signature. Self development and maturity is not bellow attaining God Consciousness, it is crucial to it. The transcendence of the human happens through its embrace and maturity, not its denial. The finitude and limitations of my form are every day more clear to me.

Most Narcissistic or Megalomaniac personalities do NOT recognize it within themselves so I understand why You don't get what I am saying... When I first came on here and everyone found out I am into Sadhguru, You tried to get me away from him in a way, at least that is what I felt, it was strange indeed... I pride myself on my ability to look around and see others perspectives, I focus on what Sadhguru does because it simply makes the most sense to Me, it may not be this way with others and that is okay, lots here do the same with Leo, but I do not see it in Leo like the others do, I see someone that for sure has had Awakenings but he's not there Yet Experientially, he seems Angry and Emotional/Reactive, and he looks down on many here including me as newbies or someone that doesn't know what they are talking about, and that he is above all others, and I see it in you too, your just more gentle with it...

I've researched many many other Spiritual Teachers and Methods/Ideologies, I just use Sadhguru's terminology allot that is all, I don't even watch his videos much anymore, I did before and I don't have to know unless it is about something revealed as New or Interesting to me...

[Breakingthewall]

God by definition is everything, it is reality, therefore he is you, but you have many layers of identification in your psyche that veil the fact that you are absolute reality.

This is so in any being, since if it were not so, it would disintegrate, it would not be "something", it would be the totality. We humans have the ability to dissolve these veils, one by one, and temporarily, to recognize ourselves as the timeless reality. This is very difficult, a lot of meditation, psychedelics, years, and many traps. The psyche is very cunning, and it deceives itself in a masterful way. Duality, narcissism, fear, searching, prevent us from looking deeply inside.

Karma introduces its tentacles and does not release the prey easily, the path requires great intuition. the path to nowhere, obviously

[Spiritual Warfare]

23 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

God by definition is everything, it is reality, therefore he is you, but you have many layers of identification in your psyche that veil the fact that you are absolute reality.

This is so in any being, since if it were not so, it would disintegrate, it would not be "something", it would be the totality. We humans have the ability to dissolve these veils, one by one, and temporarily, to recognize ourselves as the timeless reality. This is very difficult, a lot of meditation, psychedelics, years, and many traps. The psyche is very cunning, and it deceives itself in a masterful way. Duality, narcissism, fear, searching, prevent us from looking deeply inside.

Karma introduces its tentacles and does not release the prey easily, the path requires great intuition. the path to nowhere, obviously

Great answer! Many people like to think of themselves as a distinct part of god. In the same way a wave is connected and part of one great whole ocean, but is ALSO distinct, everything is distinct but connected through causation itself to the source/everything.

Everything. Literally every-thing is god. Is IT. All that you see. It’s good to be open minded to everything before you scream like a crazy person that your literally God and not a mini version of the big one🤭

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

the same way a wave is connected and part of one great whole ocean, but is ALSO distinct, everything is distinct but connected through causation itself to the source/everything.

I think mathematics explains it well: any part of infinity is infinite, therefore, the part and the whole are the same. difficult, or rather impossible to understand by the structured mind

[Spiritual Warfare]

39 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think mathematics explains it well: any part of infinity is infinite, therefore, the part and the whole are the same. difficult, or rather impossible to understand by the structured mind

Those who go deep in spirituality start realising this and feel eternal love and bliss for everyone and everything. Forgiveness manifests itself in such people and they live free. The feeling of hatred evaporates and love fills up their life.

 

 

39 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

 

Edited July 21 by MarioGabrielJ

[Davino]

@Ishanga Excuse me if I was socially uncalibrated in our first encounters. I am acquainted with Sadghuru's teachings and they have serious limitations I was trying to point out. I'm happy you are benefiting from his teachings.

You obviously are free to do your own spirituality in the way you want. I don't write much anymore in the spiritual sub forum.

If the name of God appears though, I will write. I feel it is my duty to do so. I have experienced God Consciousness and it is clear to me now who has and who hasn't, by the way they write about the topic. It's not narcissism to say I am God, it's the truth, and most surely it doesn't mean what you think it means. 

The truth is very few will be able to explain what God actually is. Not all paths lead to God and Sadghuru won't do it. Maybe Leo does, Sri Anandamayi Ma, Shivapuri Baba or a few others. Realising all that exists is God itself is indeed very rare. If you are interested in having an Epiphany I can give some pointers. Most people honestly don't care, even when the thread name is: What is God?

[BlessedLion]

6 hours ago, Davino said:

It's not narcissism to say I am God, it's the truth, and most surely it doesn't mean what you think it means. 

The truth is very few will be able to explain what God actually is. Not all paths lead to God and Sadghuru won't do it. Maybe Leo does, Sri Anandamayi Ma, Shivapuri Baba or a few others. Realising all that exists is God itself is indeed very rare. If you are interested in having an Epiphany I can give some pointers. Most people honestly don't care, even when the thread name is: What is God?

Yep. 
 

And Hitler was God, Hitler was God “doing Hitler” 

 

It’s really so radical but also so simple at the same time. Its all only God 

[BlessedLion]

15 hours ago, Davino said:

I can't allow bullshit nor pretend like you aren't God either, because you are God for real and Reality, Consciousness, Self, the qualia of this moment is all Pure God. All you are seeing, hearing, sensing, touching, breathing, everything is your very own Self is God itself.

I feel your pain, you speak truth and are just being put into a box of narcissistic deluded spiritual guy. Sad…

 

Probably not worth the effort to try and explain this 

[Spiritual Warfare]

32 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

What is enlightenment?

When I think about enlightenment, I think about accessing a radical form of intelligence that goes far beyond human thinking and processing information. God's intelligence is alien to the human form of intelligence. This goes far beyond just realizing we are part of God. 

The universe is so mysterious, and most of it is unknown to us. We don’t know much about it or its mechanisms, and we don’t understand the intelligence behind it as much as God does.
 

We cannot understand it because we are trapped in a human mind. We can access glimpses of it through spiritual practice and integrate it into our lives if the ego does not sabotage it by deluding ourselves into thinking we already know it all, or by our brains oriantation to maintain our human form, aka survival.

The funny thing about the God-realized and “Truth” realized folks in this forum is that they are “God realized” but act like horny and egoic chimpanzees. They think they can sweep their true level of awakening under the rug with nice, cool words that they mainly parrot from Leo’s videos. I am sorry to break it down to you, but there are so many things you don’t know.

I love to see how they put on their spiritual mask when they are on the spiritual forum and drop it when they are on other forums, talking to other, usually white, men who they identify with as part of their group while show dislike or indifference to other groups like women, animals and other ethnic groups that are not theirs, or people who hold different political opinions that are not theirs. 

 

1. Enlightenment is the end of suffering.

2. The “self” as we know it can’t reach the end of suffering because the core of its existence is anxiety.

3. The self who seeks enlightenment is like a salt doll trying to swim across a river.

4. Just like you can’t make a cherry pie without cherries, you can’t reach the end of suffering without questioning your belief in your “self.”

But people fall into this in a variety of ways.

Some people will tell you they actively questioned their concept of “self.”

Others will tell you they just fell in love with everything, or they didn’t do anything at all.

Their experience sure changed, though. They stopped having problems, so they stopped being a person who “has problems.”

To “find” enlightenment, you have to refrain from creating the waves of conceptual thought that push it away.

Instead of reaching for enlightenment as an object of thought, keep your attention on the one who is reaching.

Just notice consciousness. Notice existence. Notice ‘I Am.’

[Breakingthewall]

14 hours ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

Those who go deep in spirituality start realising this and feel eternal love and bliss for everyone and everything. Forgiveness manifests itself in such people and they live free. The feeling of hatred evaporates and love fills up their life.

 

 

 

Well said, Im still struggling with some hate, and realizing more and more that any hate is self-hatred, barriers and fragmentation. There are more subtle forms of hate, such as shame and narcissism, that have that same quality, the same fragmenting vibration, less intense, more background than direct hatred towards someone specific, but the same fragmenting effect. If we want to open ourselves to the absolute, we must dissolve those barriers, it is necessary

The thing is that you can't stop hating just by deciding to do so, you have to perceive others as part of yourself. Sometimes it is very difficult, since some have very false, evil, dark ways of being, it is a difficult challenge, but without being able to dissolve the hatred, I think that we are always trapped, we can never open ourself to absolute reality completely, since our hate fragments us inside

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well said, Im still struggling with some hate, and realizing more and more that any hate is self-hatred, barriers and fragmentation. There are more subtle forms of hate, such as shame and narcissism, that have that same quality, the same fragmenting vibration, less intense, more background than direct hatred towards someone specific, but the same fragmenting effect. If we want to open ourselves to the absolute, we must dissolve those barriers, it is necessary

The thing is that you can't stop hating just by deciding to do so, you have to perceive others as part of yourself. Sometimes it is very difficult, since some have very false, evil, dark ways of being, it is a difficult challenge, but without being able to dissolve the hatred, I think that we are always trapped, we can never open ourself to absolute reality completely, since our hate fragments us inside

 

Hate is easy. Love is hard. Hate requires no justification, and once ‘justified’ allows you to do whatever you want to others, while neglecting to offer them basic respect and decency.

Love on the other hand requires that you endure at least some of their difficult qualities, and not only that, but share your good with them, sacrificing time and resources and making yourself vulnerable.

Being vulnerable… getting hurt… this is hard.