Elon Musk goes full MAGA

[Paradoxed]

1 minute ago, Merkabah Star said:

I’m pro transgenderism too.
 

Kids need to go through puberty first. My best friends daughter was they/them before puberty. The second she hit puberty she did a total backflip on it and is a girl again who likes boys. 

Kids don’t know what they’re doing by basically chemically castrating themselves and parents need to control that decision, not the state or government.  

Most doctors are very careful about doing procedures to those transitioning. It's really not that big of an issue, just typical conservative fear

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura 

Musk, like most parents, especially fathers, like their idea of what their child is and is going to be.

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura 

Musk, like most parents, especially fathers, like their idea of what their child is and is going to be.

Of course! And you do too.

If your child wanted to dress like a clown or a whore every day you would be upset. Because you have ideals for your children to meet. Because their survival is at stake.

So don't judge Musk too harshly.

Edited July 24 by Leo Gura

[Paradoxed]

5 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura 

Musk, like most parents, especially fathers, like their idea of what their child is and is going to be.

I don't doubt Elon loves this kid but t's a very low consciousness form of love.

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Paradoxed said:

I don't doubt Elon loves this kid but t's a very low consciousness form of love.

It doesn't have to be low consciousness love.

If he believes that his son nearly killed himself because he was brainwashed by some radicals, that is genuine love. It's just that his understanding of the situation may be wrong. But it may also be right. You don't know. We don't have enough information to know. Maybe his son was radicalized, and if that was the case, of course Musk has a right to be upset.

You can't really deny that some kids get radicalized into this stuff. It's just a question of what percentage? 1%, 5%, 10%, 30%?? Who knows?

But even 1% is a significant absolute number.

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[Nemra]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If your child wanted to dress like a clown or a whore every day you would be upset. Because you have ideals for your children to meet. Because their survival is at stake.

That's how they make themselves paranoid without getting out of their heads, which I understand. That's why you don't foolishly want to have kids. Of course I would also have ideals for them to meet, but it also has to reflect my kid's needs and wants, because I myself was a kid back then.

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

So don't judge Musk too harshly.

Musk isn't some poor guy struggling to pay his rent. If he has time to think about politics and create some technology, he should also focus on how to listen to his kids. Maybe he does, and I'm overreacting. But it's just pathetic when parents blame their kids or others for failing to understand what their kids actually want.

[Paradoxed]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It doesn't have to be low consciousness love.

If he believes that his son nearly killed himself because he was brainwashed by some radicals, that is genuine love. It's just that his understanding of the situation may be wrong. But it may also be right. You don't know. We don't have enough information to know. Maybe his son was radicalized, and if that was the case, of course Musk has a right to be upset.

You can't really deny that some kids get radicalized into this stuff. It's just a question of what percentage? 1%, 5%, 10%, 30%?? Who knows?

But even 1% is a significant absolute number.

It's not wrong or right. We can't tell from the outside whether this person is going through a phase or has really thought about living the rest of their life as a trans person. You said it yourself, we don't really know. So a more conscious love from Elon for his child would bring awareness to the fact that isn't trans himself and doesn't know what his kid is feeling, and to not dismiss it. That doesn't mean he had to sign the papers. Honestly, I might make my child wait until they were 18 and were sure about whether they wanted to go through with it. He didn't have to sign the agreement.

In the same way we can't tell if the kid is going through a phase or not, we also can't tell the way in which Elon loves and parents his child.

I'm not denying that kids get radicalized at all. People transition too young and regret it. But a more conscious love makes space for someone to understand themselves and explore their identity, without dismissing it away as a "woke mind virus".

The thought of transitioning and regretting it years down the line does seems scary to any degree.

If he was more conscious he'd also realize that he is probably alienating himself from this child by taking a personal life choice the kid is making and publicizing it, turning it into a political thing.

Everyone is seeing through their paradigm, so I see what you are saying.

Edited July 24 by Paradoxed

[Leo Gura]

If you think that Musk is some kind of evil, unloving, uncaring mustache twirling Monopoly-man, you should really rethink your understanding of him. Musk genuinely cares about and loves humanity. It just gets expressed through the particular filter of his ego.

Don't forget, Musk has done a lot of good for humanity. Probably more than all of us here combined. It is easy to get distracted by his personality flaws.

You should see the good in Musk, flawed though he is.

Edited July 24 by Leo Gura

[zazen]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

If your child wanted to dress like a clown or a whore every day you would be upset. Because you have ideals for your children to meet. Because their survival is at stake.

Isn’t it generally true that when people have children they tend to tilt towards conservatism.  Like Russell Brand recently becoming a dad and now turning to Christianity.  It's not just about faith - it's about the challenge of breaking down complex ideas for young minds. Distilling nuanced perspectives for kids isn't easy. So parents feel this pressure to present a solid identity, something their kids can latch onto and emulate. It's like they're trying to be a stable lighthouse in a often chaotic and confusing world.

So most, out a of need for identity, belonging and convenience turn to religion. It's like a ready made kit of values and world views, neatly packaged in an easy to transmit format. It's the fast food of moral frameworks - quick, convenient, and easily passed down to the next generation. The issue is that along with those valuable life lessons comes a lot of baggage of religious literalism, dogma and half truths.

This is why the left lacking a cohesive vision is a problem. It’s not enough for them to not like the rights vision, they need their own. They offer a freedom from (oppression, discrimination and dogma) but a freedom to .. something is missing, and people need something to unite around and offer guidance beyond just resistance to. People need frameworks, values and tools to evaluate what to do with their new found freedom otherwise they get lost in a sea of relativism, choices and mishandle their freedom.

When you have a literal pregnant man emoji on a global messaging app almost quarter of the world use - that is easy picking for the right to point to as a excess of liberals / stage green which necessitates a pull back to conservatism and fuels their movement.  🫃🏻 

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[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, zazen said:

Isn’t it generally true that when people have children they tend to tilt towards conservatism.

As soon as you have children you have a massive attachment, and survival has you by the balls 10x harder. The biases of your mind skyrocket because you must put your kid's survival above everything else.

Survival is what distorts the mind in every case.

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[Paradoxed]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you think that Musk is some kind of evil, unloving, uncaring mustache twirling Monopoly-man, you should really rethink your understanding of him. Musk genuinely cares about and loves humanity. It just gets expressed through the particular filter of his ego.

Don't forget, Musk has done a lot of good for humanity. Probably more than all of us here combined. It is easy to get distracted by his personality flaws.

You should see the good in Musk.

I don't think that at all so don't assume. I can acknowledge all that good stuff while disagreeing with him politically. I am not some leftist who hates rich people

I think Elon gets a lot of unnecessary hate, but his support of the MAGA movement is just sad. He seems to be going further down the rabbit hole.

Edited July 24 by Paradoxed

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Of course I would also have ideals for them to meet, but it also has to reflect my kid's needs and wants, because I myself was a kid back then.

But you should note that Musk did support his son's transition. He didn't just say No like some stubborn jackass. He wanted to do what was best for his son. His regrets came years after the fact. Whether those regrets are valid or not is hard for us to say.

Edited July 24 by Leo Gura

[Paradoxed]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But you should note that Musk did support his son's transition. He didn't just say No like some stubborn jackass. He wanted to do what was best for his son. His regrets came years after the fact.

I do think this is an important point. I didn't actually know that it was years later.

If he saw that it affected his kid negatively health wise or mental health wise, I think it's fair to publicly say he regrets agreeing so young. When he explains it away as a "woke mind virus", that's really where it feels more like the problem lies.

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[OBEler]

@Leo Gura Musk son didn't died. He said he just lost him.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura Musk son didn't died. He said he just lost him.

Of course.

[vibv]

39 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you think that Musk is some kind of evil, unloving, uncaring mustache twirling Monopoly-man, you should really rethink your understanding of him. Musk genuinely cares about and loves humanity. It just gets expressed through the particular filter of his ego.

Don't forget, Musk has done a lot of good for humanity. Probably more than all of us here combined. It is easy to get distracted by his personality flaws.

You should see the good in Musk, flawed though he is.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what exactly do you mean he has done for humanity?

I thought the current consensus is that he's just very good at marketing himself as this inventor, when in fact it was other people who built those companies. But I'm willing to change that view based on new information.

[Javfly33]

On 16/07/2024 at 5:04 PM, integral said:

 

lords versus peasants 

lol

[Merkabah Star]

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The Chief Executive Officer of Tesla and Space X, Elon Musk, on Monday, said he was “tricked” into granting permission for his child to undergo puberty blockers.

“It’s evil. You’re taking kids who are far below the age of consent. It’s very possible for adults to manipulate children who are having an actual identity crisis into believing that they are the wrong gender,” Musk disclosed in a live interview with psychologist Jordan Peterson on X on Monday.

Musk added, “Well, it happened to one of my older boys. I was essentially tricked into signing documents for one of my older boys, Xavier. This was really before I had any understanding of what was going on, and we had COVID going on, so there was a lot of confusion. And I was told Xavier might commit suicide.”

The billionaire business mogul said these while explaining the rationale behind his decision to relocate SpaceX’s headquarters from California, citing the state’s new legislation, Assembly Bill 1955, which enables schools to keep a child’s sexual orientation or gender identity confidential from their parents.

This move came after California Governor, Gavin Newsom, signed the bill into law on Monday, July 15, 2024.

 

Named Xavier at birth, Vivian was born a twin with her brother Griffin in 2004 in California.

Vivian and her father reportedly have a strained relationship, with Musk disagreeing with her political views, claiming she believes that all rich people are evil.

 “She went beyond socialism to being a full communist and thinking that anyone rich is evil,” the billionaire said, blaming Vivian’s education at the progressive California school as the reason for her political views.

https://punchng.com/vivian-wilson-meet-elon-musks-20-year-old-transgender-daughter/

 

[Leo Gura]

37 minutes ago, vibv said:

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what exactly do you mean he has done for humanity?

I thought the current consensus is that he's just very good at marketing himself as this inventor, when in fact it was other people who built those companies. But I'm willing to change that view based on new information.

That is the leftist view of Musk and it is deeply wrong.

Musk provided enormous visionary leadership, direction, and capital to fuel important technological developments in rocketry, electric vehicles, lithium batteries, solar energy, and satellite internet.

Musk is not just a leeching capitalist, he poured his blood and tears into actualizing these important technologies.

Leftists do not give him credit because their agenda is to demonize billionaires. But Musk is not some Wall Street wolf. He worked his ass off and assumed enormous risk to build these companies and technologies.

The problem with leftists is that they have no idea what it takes to create a company like Tesla, SpaceX, or Neuralink. All they do is criticize. Meanwhile Musk delivers the goods and creates jobs for 100,000+ people. If one cannot appreciate that, then one's leftism is bullshit.

Founding a successful company is a lot more than just being a greedy wealth-extracting investor. Without Musk these companies and technologies would not exist, and thousands of people would be out of jobs.

Leadership matters. Vision matters. Directorship matters. Capital investment matters. These are things leftists and Marxists do not comprehend.

Musk's genius is not his marketing or invention, it's in his bold leadership and relentless drive. Very few humans are able to lead in that way. That leadership is literally responsible for trillions of dollars of value. If you were placed in Musk's shoes, you couldn't do it. No leftist could do it.

Edited July 24 by Leo Gura

[vibv]

@Leo Gura Thanks for laying that out. I guess one has to be careful not to buy so readily into these types of demonization.