Seeking Love in the outside through relationships. Bad idea?

[Javfly33]

If the point of relationships is to find fulfilment and love, I call this a tragic endeveour which never ends good. 

Seeking love through relationships makes you a beggar, one betrays his own self doing this.

I realise, I will never ever try to find love or fulfilment in the outside, the quality of my Being is Love. So I´m complete by myself. I will never be a beggar again. 💪

 

At the other hand, if one is fulfilled within and chooses to form a relationship to share the joy, I see no problem in that. That would be beautiful too.

 

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[Sugarcoat]

All seeking is bound to fail sooner or later I feel. What we long for is the end of seeking and we think it can be found in objects (can be other people). I heard some non dual speakers put it that way and it fits my experience 

Edited July 15 by Sugarcoat

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

I realise, I will never ever try to find love or fulfilment in the outside, the quality of my Being is Love. So I´m complete by myself. I will never be a beggar again.

That "I" that you speak about is the seeking energy. The "I" automatically seeks. Seeks for the end of itself. What you're saying is just the "I" trying to comfort itself. You're right in what you're saying in the Absolute sense but you're speaking from the point of the "I". There's no inside fulfillment. There's just fulfillment.

Saying "I'm complete by myself", is like the wave in the ocean saying it's complete all by itself, not realizing it's a part of the ocean and cannot survive without it. 

You said the word "I" many times in your statement. There's no "I" that's complete and fulfilled. It's automatic. Unfulfillment IS the "I" energy; it's not you that's not fulfilled and complete, it's the seeking energy we call "l". Everyone says I. Everyone and everything is the ocean. 

Once there's the popping up of the I, that's it game over. You can't escape yourself. The only way is to dissolve and I'm sure the I is still there from your statements. You are still seeking love saying you'll never seek it on the outside.

Edited July 15 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

All seeking is bound to fail sooner or later I feel.

There's no failure in seeking because seeking is an illusion. There's no failure with The All There Is, only apparently so.  There's no one seeking; the seeking is the I energy that doesn't really exist. 

[Jehovah increases]

58 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There's no failure in seeking because seeking is an illusion. There's no failure with The All There Is, only apparently so.  There's no one seeking; the seeking is the I energy that doesn't really exist. 

Who do you think the I is and how do you know what exits and what is an illusion?

By saying there is no failure in seeking then what was the point on making this statement?

There are so many assumptions in what you just said.

I and am are one.

Edited July 16 by Jehovah increases

[Jehovah increases]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

If the point of relationships is to find fulfillment and love, I call this a tragic endeavor that never ends well. 

Seeking love through relationships makes you a beggar, one betrays his own self doing this.

 

 

 

Why do you speak like you have no clue what you are talking about regarding relationships?  How do you know it never ends well? You sound almost mechanical and methodical in your way of thinking very linear and cold.

Why does it make you a beggar and why do you believe one betrays themselves by doing so?

Edited July 16 by Jehovah increases

[Jehovah increases]

44 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

That "I" that you speak about is the seeking energy. The "I" automatically seeks. Seeks for the end of itself. What you're saying is just the "I" trying to comfort itself. You're right in what you're saying in the Absolute sense but you're speaking from the point of the "I". There's no inside fulfillment. There's just fulfillment.

Saying "I'm complete by myself", is like the wave in the ocean saying it's complete all by itself, not realizing it's a part of the ocean and cannot survive without it. 

You said the word "I" many times in your statement. There's no "I" that's complete and fulfilled. It's automatic. Unfulfillment IS the "I" energy; it's not you that's not fulfilled and complete, it's the seeking energy we call "l". Everyone says I. Everyone and everything is the ocean. 

Once there's the popping up of the I, that's it game over. You can't escape yourself. The only way is to dissolve and I'm sure the I is still there from your statements. You are still seeking love saying you'll never seek it on the outside.

38 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There's no failure in seeking because seeking is an illusion. There's no failure with The All There Is, only apparently so.  There's no one seeking; the seeking is the I energy that doesn't really exist. 

How do you know anything about the absolute? 

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, Jehovah increases said:

How do you know anything about the absolute? 

6 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

I don't know anything about the absolute; Its everything. It's that question you asked me and it's the answer I gave. All that's happening here are responses. The absolute talking to itself. You're just jib gibbering too. The only difference here is that if I was a bearded man sitting on a chair with a white mustache and a robe, the response wouldn't have been, "what do you know about the absolute". You would probably call him a guru and listen and respect what he has to say and follow his every whim. This female on a forum knows nothing in your eyes, so you give me flack, but if the same words were uttered by said guru, it would have been revered.

That's what I can say about the absolute.

[gambler]

6 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

If the point of relationships is to find fulfilment and love, I call this a tragic endeveour which never ends good. 

Seeking love through relationships makes you a beggar, one betrays his own self doing this.

I realise, I will never ever try to find love or fulfilment in the outside, the quality of my Being is Love. So I´m complete by myself. I will never be a beggar again. 💪

 

At the other hand, if one is fulfilled within and chooses to form a relationship to share the joy, I see no problem in that. That would be beautiful too.

 

In the generations of the past and even in generations of most people’s parents in other civilizations, there wasn’t this idea of being fulfilled from ‘being in love’. There was no concept of soul-mates either. All this might complicate the expectations of marriage. And is probably unsustainable too. What you just said sounds healthier and more sustainable. 

[Jehovah increases]

20 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I don't know anything about the absolute; it is everything. It's that question you asked me and it's the answer I gave. All that's happening here are responses. The absolute talking to itself. You're just jib gibbering too. The only difference here is that if I was a bearded man sitting on a chair with a white mustache and a robe, the response wouldn't have been, "what do you know about the absolute". You would probably call him a guru and listen and respect what he has to say and follow his every whim. This female on a forum knows nothing in your eyes, so you give me flack, but if the same words were uttered by said guru, it would have been revered.

That's what I can say about the absolute.

You are reading too much into what I asked. You say that you don't know anything about the absolute but you say it's everything. No, I was just asking a simple question. And no, I wasn't just gibbering as you put it. I would have asked the same question with everyone and even a prattling echo or babbling brook.  I don't follow Gurus and would have asked the same question.  I have no idea what lies beyond your avatars. You are making more assumptions about me by saying this female knows nothing these are projections. Do you mean sad Guru if so yes I admire and respect and Love him with that said If he had said the same words he would have been humbled.🙏

Edited July 17 by Jehovah increases

[NoSelfSelf]

You  cant just decide from now on im going to be a man doesnt work like that,you wont find it in you,you are not built for it,takes time and precise effort.

[Schizophonia]

Love is in the "outside". But outside is the projection of yourself.

 

 

[Schizophonia]

The other is the projection of yourself in deny (because of education, traumas, collective unconscious, karma from other emanations for the most perched persons...) and you are the denied version of this other.

If you see the other as let's say hypo-manic, it's because you're deny this part of yourself and you act (i wouldn't say "force", it would mean there is a concrete "true" or "higher" self, but i prefer see it fundamentally as an asymptote) as proportionally dry, grounded.

But you end up alienating your behavior and not properly advancing your agenda because of fear of losing the other you are afraid of acting like this mirror, that is to say in this exemple hypomanic.

 

 

Edited July 16 by Schizophonia

[integral]

@Javfly33 so this is a strategy to avoid suffering correct? As in long-term falling in love is setting yourself up for suffering.

how would you get to the point where you can enter a relationship and spread joy from self love?

Edited July 16 by integral

[Javfly33]

On 16/07/2024 at 0:54 PM, NoSelfSelf said:

You  cant just decide from now on im going to be a man doesnt work like that,you wont find it in you,you are not built for it,takes time and precise effort.

Don´t get triggered by the message of the other day. If is working for you and is helping you in a true way forget what I told you the other day @NoSelfSelf

On 16/07/2024 at 2:25 PM, Schizophonia said:

Love is in the "outside". But outside is the projection of yourself.

 

 

 

On 16/07/2024 at 4:47 PM, integral said:

@Javfly33 so this is a strategy to avoid suffering correct? As in long-term falling in love is setting yourself up for suffering.

how would you get to the point where you can enter a relationship and spread joy from self love?

Yes, in a way is a strategy to avoid suffering @integral

But apart from that, you could say that entering a relationship looking for external love is already from the minute 1 entering a relationship where you vibrate very low. 

When you are not complete by yourself, you have to go make a 'transaction' with the other genre. This is a miserable way to live, thankfully I know all of my being is complete, so know things have changed. No more begging, or I will pay a high price.

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how would you get to the point where you can enter a relationship and spread joy from self love?

That´s the work I´m doing, becoming internally more and more satisfied, just existing, so I don´t have to depend on people to give me entertainment, love, or excitement.

From a point of completion, I can truly offer a woman something really high. Not from a point of lack but of joy of raising the feminine to his highest possibility.

And if not, me by myself is enough. 

But Im a radical, is because I have suffered a lot being a beggar, I understand some people don´t want to play it some radical and I respect that too. 

Edited July 17 by Javfly33

[NoSelfSelf]

@Javfly33 Im not triggered it helped me to connect that what you wrote is just a fairy tale...

[Javfly33]

3 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Javfly33 Im not triggered it helped me to connect that what you wrote is just a fairy tale...

What do you think Reality is? 

[NoSelfSelf]

@Javfly33My mind