Schmachtenberger on Rogan's podcast.

[Danioover9000]

   I have a love and hate relationship with how Daniel Schmachtenberger communicates many issues worldwide, maybe because this genius has to broad stroke most points but ok. On the other hand, based on the opening, the framing and presentation, and also I did some body language analysis I felt like Joe Roga, while he did a good job talking to Schmachtenberger, I feel like because of Joe's biases and worldview he was a bit sneaky. Here's the full video:

   What are you thoughts and feelings about this? Watch it? I might cover this in my other thread in detail how they communicated:

 

[Danioover9000]

 What I don't like is when Joe Rogan's listing these conspiracy points, like the mass immigration or the elite attempting to control social media. Especially when Joe Rogan brought up Haitians on the southern borders storming in...I know the history and other developmental factors involved has led Haitians to be like that, for the past 130 or so years ago starting when French colonials made Haiti and how they mistreated the black slaves which is VASTLY different with the Spanish colony next door, the Dominican Republic. Yes both eventually gain independence, but Haiti had to almost do a French Revolution themselves, make a new government, and really struggle for their freedom. And the cost? MASSIVE amount of debt that to this day Haiti had to still pay off, which part of them paying of is cutting down timber and wood to trade to French Empire, which then leads to deforestation and weakening the soil which makes the land more exposed to errosion and storms, which leads to more quick sands or more sink holes which leads to more difficulty farming and making property in those lands. Not to mention the struggle of a new government and the gangs that prop up here and there. Not to mention USA involvement, and predatory capitalists taking advantage of the chaos and ADDING ONTO THE MASSIVE DEBT! It's honestly disgusting how Haiti was treated like this for the longest time, and just brushed off and moved on in this podcast.

   But I digress because they more interested in  social media issue, persuasion technology, Naive techno optimism, myth of the narrative progress, arms races, just these high level abstracts...and brush past Haiti, or any specific problems in the world today. I don't want to rant or bad faith these speakers, but it's like watching another Jordan Peterson, IMHO.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Watching the Podcast and liking it so far. What I am noticing in me in this an many podcasts is that they are sort of good in doing the identification process. Or like in mathematic equations we say, undertanding the equation. And yes,I never liked math but what I learned is that you cant solve a problem if you cant understant the equation first. And they are good on the equating, I mean all the meaningmakers in the world. But after seeing the problem we have the execution part, and is there where all the problematizing and analizing will show if our predicaments were valid or not. 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

The term Decentralized GodLike powers sound amazing. 

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat

5 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

The term Decentralized GodLike powers sound amazing. 

   Yeah it sounds amazing. Shame that Tristen kept cutting off Schmachtenberger and interjecting, I'd like to see Daniel and Joe just talk it out and Tristen to just fade into the background a bit.

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

 

 

Great talk. Many insigths about the actual difficulty of solving the echochambering, Tunel Vision, Polarization, Incentives. And wow, the Macinthosh 1984 Advertisizing, What a hell is that? 

I think we have mix of Orwelian and Huxelinan Situation in the world. 

I know some very rooted grounded people, the ones living in Intentional permacultural communities, and not even them escape some echochambering, drinkink Cacao and druming Shiva Shiva Ya like it would save the Forests. 

In the end of the day we still can look around and admit that the majoriy of people in the planet not even know or care that their lymbic system is being hijacked by companies,Parties etc..

I like that Rogan sometime bring things to the commoner mindset and ask " How do we actually do this shit? " Is actually feasable? 

[Rafael Thundercat]

Some video this topic inspired me to look for : they are short

 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat

21 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Watching the Podcast and liking it so far. What I am noticing in me in this an many podcasts is that they are sort of good in doing the identification process. Or like in mathematic equations we say, undertanding the equation. And yes,I never liked math but what I learned is that you cant solve a problem if you cant understant the equation first. And they are good on the equating, I mean all the meaningmakers in the world. But after seeing the problem we have the execution part, and is there where all the problematizing and analizing will show if our predicaments were valid or not. 

 

   Me too, very insightful, just didn't like Tristen trying to control the conversation.

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat

18 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

 

 

 

Great talk. Many insigths about the actual difficulty of solving the echochambering, Tunel Vision, Polarization, Incentives. And wow, the Macinthosh 1984 Advertisizing, What a hell is that? 

I think we have mix of Orwelian and Huxelinan Situation in the world. 

I know some very rooted grounded people, the ones living in Intentional permacultural communities, and not even them escape some echochambering, drinkink Cacao and druming Shiva Shiva Ya like it would save the Forests. 

In the end of the day we still can look around and admit that the majoriy of people in the planet not even know or care that their lymbic system is being hijacked by companies,Parties etc..

I like that Rogan sometime bring things to the commoner mindset and ask " How do we actually do this shit? " Is actually feasable? 

   Agreed, and what I sometimes do like about Joe Rogan. His communication style, and past comedian experiences allows him to stir and bring some of these very complicated sounding talks to the commoner mindset. Just like Joe what I wish people like Tristen or Daniel Schmachtenberger and other genius should do is lay down lists of solution to these complex problems. Just sounds like to me, and I don't mean to be bad faith about this, all sounds like disaster porn and talking for podcast money. Just talk and talk and more talking with little solutions or with little risk taking by these intellectual giants and geniuses.

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat

31 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Some video this topic inspired me to look for : they are short

 

 

   Yeah I agree. Which vision is correct? Or is it a bit of both? IMHO a bit of both for good reasons I think, just because most people are selfish and, because in sociology and biology of the hominid species we are today, these tit for tat functions, if some to more of us does a tit for every tat, or if some of us does a tit and there's not a tat, those groups end up being more volatile in the future, which is why if there's a dystopia with oppression mixed with endless entertainment, that arises because there were more groups that pushed boundaries too far and acted selfishly to the detriment of other collectives, therefore those systems arise out of necessity. Think Genghis Khan and his empire, or Alexander the Great and his rising Macedonian empire, or the Roman empire, or the Carthaginian empire, and many other empires that raised and fallen, and if some left unchecked by other rivalrous empires nearby they kept on expanding and acquiring more land, more people they enslaved, more cultural influence and so on. The most effective way in dealing with empires like these are nearby peer empires that can compete and keep them humble and in check.

   That diffusion in responsibility is also called the bystander effect, also I knew of that Russian systema guy and liked his content.