People with ADHD are genetically more conscious

[Jannes]

It's the other way around then you think. They aren't sleeping, non-adhd people are sleeping. People with ADHD are caught up in or distracted from direct awareness (first order truth) and have problems focusing on concepts (second order truth). 

Do you agree?

[Alexop]

There are many factors that make a person to be diagnozed with ADHD. The way doctors understand it is medieval. 

You can be born a dreamer, or an introvert who gets bored by small talk and shit, or a more ambitious person who does not care about the average shit that happens in the moments an think of what is you next big move, you can be born with a neurodiverse brain that does not fit in the "normal" parameters of the medieval medicine system and culture you are born into. OR, and this is a big one, trauma that pushed you to find a coping mechanism of distracting yourself from your body and feelings, because it would be to painful to become conscious of them.

Edited July 14 by Alexop

[Jannes]

@Alexop Thats a high quality response to a sloppy post on my side. I would agree it's multifaceted. But we can distinct the different cases and argue whether or not these different adhd cases make it more likely to be more conscious or not. 

- I think "natural" adhd as in being a dreamer could be naturally more conscious. 

- archiever idk. 

- trauma likely less conscious

I was born as this dreamer kind but had many experiences of social rejection which aren't healed yet. So maybe a plus minus deal at the end. 

[Alexop]

On 7/15/2024 at 4:56 PM, Jannes said:

@Alexop Thats a high quality response to a sloppy post on my side. I would agree it's multifaceted. But we can distinct the different cases and argue whether or not these different adhd cases make it more likely to be more conscious or not. 

- I think "natural" adhd as in being a dreamer could be naturally more conscious. 

- archiever idk. 

- trauma likely less conscious

I was born as this dreamer kind but had many experiences of social rejection which aren't healed yet. So maybe a plus minus deal at the end. 

Your point can be valid because usually the dreamer, ambitious, introvert kinds are the ones who split from the sheep herd and do something amazing with their lives.

[Jannes]

I started taking ADHD medications again so I can kind of compare the states. On meds you change psychologically a lot. Like you really enter another form experience. The new experience becomes a lot less profound but a lot more manageable. Like you can get shit done finally which really frees your mind up and makes you more conscious in the sense that there is less stuff pulling away from being conscious. But if my ADHD brain could naturally be supported like with trusting emotional support and a life that is designed to be ADHD manageable I think I would be way more conscious with ADHD.

[Carl-Richard]

Nah. They just can't focus very long on one thing.

[Jannes]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Nah. They just can't focus very long on one thing.

Thats just a symptom. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Nah. They just can't focus very long on one thing.

They can if it’s Interesting and they want to learn 

[Jannes]

11 minutes ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

They can if it’s Interesting and they want to learn 

Or if it's something emotional. Everything where your attention would usually rises it hyper rises with ADHD.

And if that's not the case the attention is unregulated and splitted into all directions. 

Edited August 4 by Jannes

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Jannes said:

Or if it's something emotional. Everything where your attention would usually rises it hyper rises with ADHD.

And if that's not the case the attention is unregulated and splitted into all directions. 

I agree 

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

They can if it’s Interesting and they want to learn 

There is variability within that as well. A friend of mine tends to play bass for 20 minutes, then does something else, then goes back to playing bass for 20 minutes, and repeats that cycle for maybe 3-5 times a day. When I play guitar, I tend to play for 1-2 hours at a time and usually only once a day. When another friend of mine plays piano, he plays for up to 6 hours at a time. Guess which one of us has generally more symptoms of ADHD.

Edited August 5 by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

Generally no, but there are tradeoffs for their unique mode of mind.

Every mode of mind will have tradeoffs.

Edited August 5 by Leo Gura

[puporing]

Could be depends. I would say mine was a symptom of wanting to wake up a lot and be hyper conscious. And to this day I will have trouble moving at speeds most people move at in this world and prefer things to "go faster" if that makes sense.

Edited August 5 by puporing

[Spiritual Warfare]

7 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

There is variability within that as well. A friend of mine tends to play bass for 20 minutes, then does something else, then goes back to playing bass for 20 minutes, and repeats that cycle for maybe 3-5 times a day. When I play guitar, I tend to play for 1-2 hours at a time and usually only once a day. When another friend of mine plays piano, he plays for up to 6 hours at a time. Guess which one of us has generally more symptoms of ADHD.

I would guess the last one

Edited August 5 by MarioGabrielJ

[Spiritual Warfare]

Individually, a person with ADHD can have great self-awareness, often from therapy in coping with the condition but it enables them to self-regulate more than a neurotypical person and understand their triggers and patterns and how to control them. This also leads to greater resilience, learning how to calm themselves and regulate their emotions better, and bounce back from difficulties, which in turn can lead to greater success. Couple that with higher energy levels and you have a recipe to achieve great things!

Young people and adults with and without ADHD can experience hyperfocus, but studies suggest that it’s more common in people with ADHD. Moreover, research has found that hyperfocus is a natural gift rather than something that results from ADHD medication.

Scientists think hyperfocus could happen for the same reason that people with ADHD can find it difficult to concentrate: because of a lack of dopamine in the brain. Dopamine is a neurotransmitter (brain chemical) involved with motivation and reward. When we do an activity we find fulfilling or exciting, our brain releases a small amount of dopamine, encouraging us to do the activity again.

Low levels of dopamine can cause young people with ADHD to constantly seek new stimulation (and therefore release of dopamine), leading to inattention and switching between tasks. At other times, however, low dopamine levels may make changing activities more difficult. When individuals with ADHD are interested in the task they are completing, they may lack the motivation to switch to other, less stimulating tasks, leading to experiences of hyperfocus.

[Schizophonia]

It looks like cope.

[Spiritual Warfare]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Det ser ut att klara sig.

People with schizofreni too

[Jannes]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It looks like cope.

Haha I have ADHD and I would love to be genetically more conscious of course so yeah I am biased. But I try to be aware of my bias to come to truthful conclusions. 

I listened to Daniel Schmachtenberger and how there are less dreamy and peaceful people left in the world cause of evolution and I thought that people with inattentive type of ADHD might be the people who survived that. But making this connection is pretty much a guess. Yes there might be some overlap but that doesnt mean there is causality.

Edited August 5 by Jannes

[Jannes]

ADHD awareness really isnt as straight forward:
 
ADHD brains are aware of a lot of reality at once which means they aren't aware of anything deeply because awareness is finite. Unless they are very interested in something then there awareness is only on that thing and nothing else also because of finite awareness. So a mixture of high quantity low quality awareness and high quality low quantity awareness. Like a biconcave object.

[Carl-Richard]

7 hours ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

I would guess the last one

Lol. It's the first one.