Shots Fired At Trump on Stage, At Rally..

[Yimpa]

Many Americans are betting on Trump without realizing that they’re playing Russian roulette.

[Danioover9000]

@zurew

1 hour ago, zurew said:

1) You are generally 10x more unhinged than me especially if we take a look at the I/P thread or any Destiny thread,  so stop with the tone policing. Im good buddy. You are the last person who could go around calling people out for their tones.

2) No its not against the forum guidelines to call someone utterly clueless or a waste of time. There are plenty of links in this thread that anyone who wants to approach this topic without empty preaching can go and read, and mutliple arguments have already been made why democracy and Trump don't go together.

You were clueless as well btw, because Leo had to educate you on basic facts that you should have known a long time ago, before you started to go around arguing with people. Neither of you have the basic knowledge to have the ability to argue on this topic (because you lack the basic facts), what you do is fish around for answers and then attack them without actually getting read up on the topics first.

1. Really? 10x more unhinged? Not 9 or 11x? Also what Destiny or I/P thread? Maybe link and show my apparent 'unhinge' thing you're talking about, or don't because that would derail the thread.

2. What was @Gennadiy1981 arguing for exactly? Are you sure he was arguing for Trump becoming president and him mixing with democracy, or was he 'preaching' for others to chill down, take note of the propaganda, the charged political atmosphere, the fear mongering from his view? Like @Gennadiy1981 , what were you trying to say here?

3. OK, I'll take that I'm a clueless idiot, sure, like the MAGA and 40% of American conservatives which you're insinuating BTW right? Which is why I'm still waiting to be educated and enlightened to my own ignorance here, apparently 'fishing'...WDYM?🤦‍♀️ 

[Danioover9000]

@DocWatts

1 hour ago, DocWatts said:

Well, if I am wrong, then it's business as usual and nothing im actually advocating for is harmful. Which is for more mindful, compassionate, and above all informed participation in the democratic process.Taking a disinterested or detached view of politics when our democracy is rotting from within due to apathy and neglect is none of those things.

It's the equivalent of a crowd of people standing by and watching as someone gets assaulted on a crowded street, due to the bystander effect.

If anything, I'm challenging people to take on more personal responsibility for the collective problems that we're facing.

  Fair enough, my take was I thought he was pointing out the increasing negative emotions in this situation with the fear mongering and the media, but OK.

[Rafael Thundercat]

2 hours ago, Joshe said:

Communication and tact are highly important but the very ignorance that allows for the corruption in the first place, seems to me, of higher importance. As long as the average person doesn't understand basic psychological principles and does nothing to acquire any knowledge of the psyche and the traps it can so easily fall into, it's impossible for them to guard themselves against these "evil factions" that seek to pull their puppet strings. 

Also, it seems that no amount of good or tactful communication can penetrate some psyches. 

Maybe we need not only tactful communication, but extreme patience, along with making sure we know what we're talking about. But that is a lot of work. How much of ourselves should we sacrifice trying to contribute to the fixing of our world? I want to answer 100% but it's not that simple. 

I got what you mean. To expect everyone to be experts in the dwelings of their own minds and how deception work is a gigantic task. If the majority would be doing the work we would not have the sort of leaders we have since people would see througth the manipulation. But is to much work. Even shifting some inner paradoxes inside my mind alone is like a inner war, wars that many time I almost lose. 

 

[mrPixel]

3 hours ago, Joshe said:

Also, it seems that no amount of good or tactful communication can penetrate some psyches. 

Maybe we need not only tactful communication, but extreme patience, along with making sure we know what we're talking about. But that is a lot of work. How much of ourselves should we sacrifice trying to contribute to the fixing of our world? I want to answer 100% but it's not that simple. 

This video addresses the subject: 

Dr. Tali Sharot is the author of The Influential Mind (2017) and The Optimism Bias (2012). She is an Associate Professor of Cognitive Neuroscience, and the founder and director of the Affective Brain Lab, at University College London. Her papers on decision making, emotion, and influence have been published in Nature, Science, Nature Neuroscience, Psychological Science, and many others. She has been featured in numerous outlets and written for The New York Times, Time Magazine, Washington Post, CNN, BBC, and more.

Edited July 17, 2024 by mrPixel

[mrPixel]

Disagreements about polarized topics are almost always hopeless. You see it out in the real world but you see plenty of it on this forum as well. 

[Merkabah Star]

3 hours ago, ryandesreu said:

I just saw the director of Secret Service use the excuse that the roof that the gunman shot from wasn't occupied buy Secret Service or police because it was a sloped roof therefore it was a safety issue.

A 2 year old could stand on that roof, the slope was minimal. That was weird for her to say that. 😳

[Merkabah Star]

4 hours ago, Joshe said:

Why is danioover not banned or at least warned for these behaviors?

Calling for people to be banned is childish. Put him/her on ignore if your feelings are hurt. 

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

@DocWatts I would politely disagree with you. There is a fear mongering from media on both sides. I remember when Obama was running the conservative media scared people that he will make America like a third world country and etc, but none of it happened. And lets be honest, during the 4 years of Trump, if you reside in USA and I assume you do, did your personal life dramatically changed? I would bet it stayed the same, indeed all presidents are just nominal.

As far as project 2025, first there is a lot of misinformation on it, second items that are in the charter most are nonsensical, they will never ban same sex relationships, but third, some points are good, like eliminating FDA, as most regulatory agencies are really covering the manufacturers and not looking for consumers interest. FDA cares more for pharmaceutical interest than ours and so does EPA and FCC, just for your info, so those agencies really need to be cleansed. The rest is just fear porn.

I really thought you guys are higher conscientiousness than this, but you guys have the same fear as conservatives did before Obama.

Everything I understand tells me the situation is very serious. It's not a 100% chance of losing our democracy but something like a 25% chance.

You guys who downplay it with rationalizations, excuses, and false equivalencies are not helping.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Everything I understand tells me the situation is very serious. It's not a 100% chance of losing our democracy but something like a 25% chance.

You guys who downplay it with rationalizations, excuses, and false equivalencies are not helping.

   You mean 100% chance of losing our democracy instead of 25%? Because if we're losing democracy at 25%, that means we have a 75% of not losing democracy right?

Edited July 17, 2024 by Danioover9000

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, StaraX said:

@Leo Gura But Leo, not too long ago you said something like, 'Trump will lose badly again,' and now you actually see a chance for him to win? Why the switch?

I keep underestimating the ignorance and selfishness of the American people.

But also, Biden's health has deteriorated a lot and he is not performing well as a speaker or campaigner.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

11 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

Calling for people to be banned is childish. Put him/her on ignore if your feelings are hurt. 

❤👍

[Danioover9000]

@mrPixel

14 minutes ago, mrPixel said:

Disagreements about polarized topics are almost always hopeless. You see it out in the real world but you see plenty of it on this forum as well. 

True!

[LSD-Rumi]

51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

like eliminating FDA, as most regulatory agencies are really covering the manufacturers and not looking for consumers interest. FDA cares more for pharmaceutical interest than ours and so does EPA and FCC

Banning the FDA? The FDA is what keeps pharmaceutical companies in line. pharmaceutical companies pay tens of millions of dollars for rigorously testing each drug before it is accepted by the FDA. A lot of times this money goes down the sink because of rigorous testing.

Ban the FDA and Trump will start selling bleach for curing cancer, lol.

Edited July 17, 2024 by LSD-Rumi

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

I'm a clueless idiot, sure, like the MAGA and 40% of American conservatives which you're insinuating BTW right?

You are not an idiot, you just don't know the surrounding facts on this  specific topic and you seem to be downplaying Trump's rhetoric. Read the this https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

and watch this and see his "peaceful" rhetoric

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by zurew

[Joshe]

On 7/16/2024 at 0:44 PM, Danioover9000 said:

I will say sorry in advance right? Because I have joined like in April 2019, and you joined like in October 2018, so you 1 year my senior in this forum by digital clock right? However you got like about 66 counts in posts, 3 shy away from being pervy, but I have like 12,336 in total posts and counting, been more active in this forum than you, have participated in all sub forums than you, survived dramas here and there than you, so in engagement and activity I am the senior and you the junior. If I hurt yo feelings I do apologies because I like having a healthy debate and back in forth, nothing personal yeah? If you too triggered I will official drop this and agree to disagree right?

@Merkabah Star I am childish. I will admit. Please don't make fun of me for it. I was thinking there might be some kind of mechanism in place to prevent people from going unhinged AF for no reason and seemingly, intentionally being antagonistic and annoying and communicating in bad faith for the sheer fun of it. But I gotcha, that's not a thing and I should rely on the ignore feature. Thanks!

[Joshe]

Thanks @mrPixel That's an interesting video. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

How much Relativism, is too much relativism? There are spectrums to everything, but at one point we will need to dicern a cup of poison from a cup of medicine.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Rafael Thundercat

[Merkabah Star]

35 minutes ago, Joshe said:

@Merkabah Star I am childish. I will admit. Please don't make fun of me for it.

Ok. 😀

[Danioover9000]

@Joshe

42 minutes ago, Joshe said:

@Merkabah Star I am childish. I will admit. Please don't make fun of me for it. I was thinking there might be some kind of mechanism in place to prevent people from going unhinged AF for no reason and seemingly, intentionally being antagonistic and annoying and communicating in bad faith for the sheer fun of it. But I gotcha, that's not a thing and I should rely on the ignore feature. Thanks!

   I agree, and I was joking a bit, but like I said no hard feelings OK? You in ignore land and I in yours too.👍