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[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

1 hour ago, Merkabah Star said:

Such vacant eyes.. 

 

   Yeah. He's from Colorado right? I recognized the background photo for I assume his high school? Reason I ask is this reminded me of when I was in middle-high school in the USA, in a Washington school, we did have photos for the year books right? So they had this same grey to dark grey background.

   Looking at his face, I do agree with you his eyes seem vacant, like he's looking far into the distance, eyes that have seen a lot of things in school, some things in the cafeteria or in locker rooms, some things that you really shouldn't have witnessed or experienced. I know a bit of Chinese face reading, so some stuff immediately jump out to me from just looking at his face, but I will withhold because that'll be 10 or so long paragraphs. Few things to note: he has a big chin, and his forehead is a bit wider than his lower half of the head, and that space between his eyebrows, that typically in face reading shows spiritual potential, which jumps out as very high for this person. I will say what a tragedy and waste of life. Shows you what bullying or early childhood trauma or being treated too differently can do to you. I see a bit of me in that picture long ago.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They were radicalized with culture war issues.

Of course the electorate is large so some people are voting for economic or policy reasons. I was speaking more generally.

He's a cynical con-artist so he knows he's running a con on his followers. He thinks of his own followers as suckers who will buy anything.

But also he's an egomaniac so he will believe whatever juices up his ego. I'm sure his ego gets juiced up from thinking of himself as savior of America from woke Communists or some such fantasy.

So it's a combination of pure cynical Machiavellianism plus the delusions of grandiose narcissism.

   True, that's Jordan Peterson. I still think he's got great psychological takes and a good way of communicating in abstracts, but falls off with his political takes. If he had great experiences with the left earlier on, I feel like he could have some decent takes, but he had some bad experiences with some socialists/progressives in the past, some difficulty with the more college elites, which pushed him into the arms of the more right wing and alt right, which he now is making more money from, so here we are, Jordan's kind of now stuck where he's at continuously dealing the shadows of the left and other shadows he has in his ego. Not to mention he's got those health issues and even mental issues he's having. Who knows what else is adding onto his troubles.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Coming from that gamer culture background Destiny is just immature.

Destiny can make a lot of sense at times, and he is skilled at debate, but at the core of his psyche is still that gamer boy who yells racist slurs while playing multiplayer Halo. That limits Destiny's development. He's kinda stuck in that role. This shows you the problemic influence of toxic gamer culture on young men in general.

   That's true.

@Scholar

13 minutes ago, Scholar said:

It's called Nabraska Steve, he comes out every now and then.

   Don't forget he's also from Ohio, and another place I forgot. His parent was Cuban, the other American, and he came from a big family that started off traditional/conservative. Went to college and had skills as a musician, worked odd jobs, ones being at casinos and others cleaning apartments. Destiny was actually lucky that stream and Twitch was a thing and happen around that time, if not he may have been a musician or some lawyer, but that moment online gaming was getting popular.

   And that's according to Destiny and some bits I can remember and saw, but take that with some grains of salt.

Edited July 14 by Danioover9000

[Joshe]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Destiny can make a lot of sense at times, and he is skilled at debate, but at the core of his psyche is still that gamer boy who yells racist slurs while playing multiplayer Halo. That limits Destiny's development. He kinda stuck in that role.

@Leo Gura😂100% , and his career is tied to that behavior so he's probably in it for the long haul but "makes a lot of sense at times", I don't think gives him enough credit. Think of how much light he's shined on ignorance. He's contributed greatly to the collective epistemology. He might not promote Truth of the same caliber as you but he does promote it, at least an aspect of it, and he's highly effective.  

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Joshe said:

"makes a lot of sense at times", I don't think gives him enough credit. Think of how much light he's shined on ignorance. He's contributed greatly to the collective epistemology. He might not promote Truth of the same caliber as you but he does promote it, at least an aspect of it, and he's highly effective.  

That's why, on the whole, I have no problem with Distiny. He has better core takes than many Progressives who just parrot Marxist dogma. Destiny actually thinks about nuanced factors on both sides. He's not just shilling for one side. So huge points to him for achieving that much epistemic intelligence as a gamer.

Destiny's problems are more in style than substance. He has an immature style.

Edited July 14 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's why, on the whole, I have no problem with Distiny. He has better core takes than many Progressives who just parrot Marxist dogma. Destiny actually thinks about nuanced factors on both sides. He's not just shilling for one side. So huge points to him for achieving that much epistemic intelligence as a gamer.

Destiny's problems are more in style than substance. He has an immature style.

What is your opinion on this clip?

https://www.tiktok.com/@destiny.vs.destiny/video/7386077707018210566?lang=en

[Karmadhi]

So many people have this idea that Trump would not have allowed the war in Ukraine and Israel to happen.

They say his strong leadership will end wars and put peace in the world.

The fact that during his term no wars started (factual) and under Biden tons of shit happened, is the proof they use.

Also Biden horrible mental state does not help.

It gives him a lot of bonus points, he otherwise would not have had.

Edited July 14 by Karmadhi

[Raze]

54 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They were radicalized with culture war issues.

Of course the electorate is large so some people are voting for economic or policy reasons. I was speaking more generally.

You’re conflating a minority of hardcore trump fans with the much larger group of independents that actually get him elected.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/02/trump-won-where-import-shocks-from-china-and-mexico-were-strongest/

a study found trump did best in counties that lost jobs to globalization 

Edited July 14 by Raze

[Joshe]

@Raze When Destiny says something like "I don't know if there's anything wrong with ethnic cleansing", and stares at the ceiling, this is a mind that is not afraid to actually question things it's never questioned. If you really want to know why ethnic cleansing is bad, you have to see for yourself and try to poke holes in things to see if they're actually bad or not, rather than just claim they are. He makes an earnest attempt to actually consider the idea. You can see it in his movement and hear in his tonality that he's engaging with the question from a place of genuine curiosity because this is how INTPs operate. They question everything. Nothing is off limits.

You can probably find a clip of him saying "IDK, is pedophilia really bad. What's so bad about it"? And the conformist mind will immediately condemn him for wanting to actually identify what is wrong with it. 

Edited July 15 by Joshe

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Joshe said:

@Raze When Destiny says something like "I don't know if there's anything wrong with ethnic cleansing", and stares at the ceiling, this is a mind that is not afraid to actually question things it's never questioned. When you engage in argumentation, you have to cover your bases and if you really want to know why ethnic cleansing is bad, you have to see for yourself and try to poke holes in things to see if they're actually bad or not, rather than just claim they are. He makes an earnest attempt to actually consider the idea. You can see it in his movement and hear in his tonality that he's engaging with the question from a place of genuine curiosity because this is how INTPs operate. They question everything. Nothing is off limits.

You can probably find a clip of him saying "IDK, is pedophilia really bad. What's so bad about it"? And the conformist mind will immediately condemn him for wanting to actually identify what is wrong with it. 

If you’re discussing politics full time you should already have basic elementary morality figured out regarding the issues you are talking about. How can you be arguing about Israel for months and still not know where you stand on ethnic cleaning?

Rather than developing a good faith position on it through logical discussion he decides his position in advance and forms his moral arguments around what best defends it. When he is talking to a right winger who wants to deport Mexicans he tells them they’re racists who are asking for something worse than execution, when he wants to defend Israel suddenly it’s ok. It’s not because he’s open minded, it’s because he decided in advance what his position is and has to contort his beliefs to justify them. 

Edited July 15 by Raze

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Raze said:

What is your opinion on this clip?

https://www.tiktok.com/@destiny.vs.destiny/video/7386077707018210566?lang=en

I think Destiny's rationalizations of Israeli domination of Palestinians is one of his weakest positions that I have heard.

Destiny may be right on some technical points there but he is wrong in the big picture of what Israel is doing. Israel is engaged in domination and exploitation of a weak minority group through underhanded Machinavellian machinations and lies.

Edited July 15 by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

Oval Office address:

 

[Karmadhi]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I think Destiny's rationalizations of Israeli domination of Palestinians is one of his weakest positions that I have heard.

Destiny may be right on some technical points there but he is wrong in the big picture of what Israel is doing. Israel is engaged in domination and exploitation of a weak minority group through Machinavellian machinations.

THANK YOU Leo

I thought the same watching his debates, they really got into me as very biased.

 

[Karmadhi]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-megachurch-sermons-00168146

You guys were right, he is being elevated to Prophet  status now

As a non American, this is hilarious to me 

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I think Destiny's rationalizations of Israeli domination of Palestinians is one of his weakest positions.

The point of the video isn’t his belief on that issue, it’s how easily he switches moralities depending on what he’s talking about.

In a discussion with Candace Owens she accused him of being a contrarian and he slightly smiled then denied it. What he does is he picks a position that goes against the far right or far left, usually left of center mainstream dem, then starts twisting himself to justify it. That’s not a insightful or good faith strategy, it just appears that way because it’s usually easier to defend establishment positions.

Say what you will about Vaush but at least he has something of a moral system he worked out and uses as a lens to view issues and develop arguments based on, as flawed as it can be.

Edited July 15 by Raze

[Karmadhi]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-republicans-god-intervention-00168108

Guys is this for real?

Please some American here explain to me, do american POLITICANS really believe in this shit or it is just being used for political support?

[Danioover9000]

@Raze

10 minutes ago, Raze said:

The point of the video isn’t his belief on that issue, it’s how easily he switches moralities depending on what he’s talking about.

In a discussion with Candace Owens she accused him of being a contrarian and he slightly smiled then denied it. What he does is he picks a position that goes against the far right or far left, usually left of center mainstream dem, then starts twisting himself to justify it. That’s not a insightful or good faith strategy, it just appears that way because it’s usually easier to defend establishment positions.

Say what you will about Vaush but at least he has something of a moral system he worked out and uses as a lens to view issues and develop arguments based on, as flawed as it can be.

   Yeah, seen enough of Destiny and Vaush to comment that his main problem is communicating in a sophistry way. What Vaush should do is simplify his communication a bit, and stop competing for airtime superiority. In fact common problem in debate circles especially in TV and livestream debates, even live debates is trying to out talk the other arguer and come off as appearing smarter. Vaush's main problem is his bias of post modernism, and using moral relativism when it suits his position, and just talking in sophistry. And Destiny's style, communication, even down to body language and rhetoric, which is the parent style for Vaush, is just like this also but he can speak faster than Vaush and articulate himself a bit more. Now the problem with Destiny is that he has 12+ years of debate experience to make fallacies, deflections, and dodges seem very natural, whilst with someone like Vaush in debates it's not that natural.

   I guess at the end of the day, these 2 and other streamers are playing up online personalities, at least with what I can read their mannerisms that's the impression I get.

[Joshe]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

The point of the video isn’t his belief on that issue, it’s how easily he switches moralities depending on what he’s talking about.

I don't have enough context to really comment but some of those clips in the tiktok montage were years apart. He plays with and manipulates ideas for a living. It would be messy. I'm sure he has argued in bad faith and for the sake of argumentation and not always from a moral ground but that's not enough for me to write him off. I haven't had any reads that he's at the core bad faith. I'll check out the Candace Owens thing though.

[Danioover9000]

@Raze

22 minutes ago, Raze said:

If you’re discussing politics full time you should already have basic elementary morality figured out regarding the issues you are talking about. How can you be arguing about Israel for months and still not know where you stand on ethnic cleaning?

Rather than developing a good faith position on it through logical discussion he decides his position in advance and forms his moral arguments around what best defends it. When he is talking to a right winger who wants to deport Mexicans he tells them they’re racists who are asking for something worse than execution, when he wants to defend Israel suddenly it’s ok. It’s not because he’s open minded, it’s because he decided in advance what his position is and has to contort his beliefs to justify them. 

   Yeah I remember the first video Destiny brought up the Israel/Palestine conflict I think it was after the drama and feuding with Mr. Girl was cooling down, and a few debates he had I think with Nick Fuentes or some other conspiracy person, forgot the name but that guy was good, and I think it was after that whole divorce he was having with Melina that Destiny's energy then was like that, I could be wrong in remembering that sequence there. I was shocked that he went quite a bit pro Israel so soon, but I also wasn't because Destiny tends to have that pattern of behavior of saying and claiming shocking things, then looks to Chat, answers some questions at length, then say another shocking thing which then he has to justify and explain, and the cycle repeats here.

[Scholar]

18 minutes ago, Raze said:

The point of the video isn’t his belief on that issue, it’s how easily he switches moralities depending on what he’s talking about.

In a discussion with Candace Owens she accused him of being a contrarian and he slightly smiled then denied it. What he does is he picks a position that goes against the far right or far left, usually left of center mainstream dem, then starts twisting himself to justify it. That’s not a insightful or good faith strategy, it just appears that way because it’s usually easier to defend establishment positions.

Say what you will about Vaush but at least he has something of a moral system he worked out and uses as a lens to view issues and develop arguments based on, as flawed as it can be.

The video is retarded and it takes 5 seconds of thinking to understand why. White nationalists want to preserve the character of the nation because they are delusional racists, while Israeli jewish nationalists seek to preserve the character of the nation because there is a genuine threat that once arabs gain democratic power they would instantly be removed from their nation.

And those are clips that are like years apart. Positions change, even though there is nothing inconsistent about holding these positions.