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27 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Stop treating this as an abstraction.

You are wasting your time. That person definitely  haven't read anything on these topics and he is utterly clueless but he is running around   preaching how everything is relative or that there is nothing serious going on.

Complete lack of epistemic humility, completely being ignorant of the facts, while being in preacher mode while thinking they are highly conscious .

The worst person to waste any time on.

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This Guys want a Wyatt Earp world with all costs. Maybe USA will never lose the Farwest spirit. 

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@Leo Gura

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't even understand that Trump orchestrated a conspiracy to undo Biden's election victory. His administration was actively manipulating and doing everything they could think of to prevent Biden's inaugration. This ended in an insurrection but they did way more stuff behind the scenes than that.

Just because their efforts failed does not mean they didn't try to steal the election for Trump. They did, and they will do it again.

If you don't know this, then it is pointless to discuss politics with you because your reseach is so poor and your grasp of the facts so shallow.

Stop watching Destiny and other social media trash and actually read some news articles by serious people about serious things.

You guys are not actually abreast of serious policy and serious news. You are lost in pop-culture politicial memes, noise, and drama.

1. Which is why I asked 'Conspired to steal an election? Jan 6 insurrection and accusation of electric votes being tampered?' to you, so that you can answer me back right, to give you the chance to help me understand more and enlighten me about that right? You make it sound like any question I give to you is like evil and ignorance, but I am not evil with asking you like that? I am doing some research on my side with my free time, but I give you the courtesy of the opportunity to answer me back, and maybe give me some links to articles or footage showing this orchestration of that event.

2. I didn't assumed that logic that because they failed/=/they didn't steal the election, in that point I'm addressing the probability field from which you base your prediction, and in some logic form it'll be like this: where is the P(prediction)you just made, like a conclusion right, and from which you derive from pp(your premises and patterns in the past)? It's like in another context you are losing your marbles in some bag, and complaining about how dangerous if you lost all the marbles right. OK I then ask OK, have you experienced this before, have you got some data to show me a pattern of losing marbles or events of all marbles lost, and I am questioning your assumption and prediction and where that's coming from right, just a bit? That's all I'm asking, give me an answer with some evidence just either confirming or denying my question, with a link or 2 and I'll do that research, meanwhile I am doing my own research which IMHO you assuming I didn't was mean.

3. Stop watching Destiny and other social media trash??? Have you been paying attention to what I have posted here??? I said I was an ex fan of Destiny and in other threads you know I have more of a anti social media position, that strongly implies what? That I have stopped watching Destiny for the most part and that I don't engage with those Tik Toks and most social media, like 80% of his content isn't in my feed anymore. It's also mean you assume I don't read serious works or serious articles on politics.

4. Can't speak to that group of people you generalize as lost in memes, political memes, pop-culture memes, and drama. But I can speak for myself in that I am not that lost with them and I can think for myself despite my craziness. Again assuming I'm part of that group like that is mean...which is strange because you made a past video titled 'Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups.', so given how many assumptions that are mean which you did to me, can you not see the fuck up you might be doing to me right now in assuming all that? Just from me asking simple clarity seeking questions?

   Look, if you're going through something very stressful other than this political situation, let us know then. I won't press any further if you're going through something dark alright? Hate to do that if you're going through something, and yes I am assuming maybe this part and am fucking up but like I said I am a nice person, don't want to step harshly just in case right?

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Why is danioover not banned or at least warned for these behaviors?

  • They constantly argue for argument sake with the goal of being superior
  • It's clear they don't engage in good faith 
  • Their rhetoric verges on combative by saying things like "I'm not gonna hurt you, don't run", at the end of unhinged, incoherent rants.
  • They profile stalk in hopes of finding character attacks
  • They are juvenile, comparing their post count to others as a metric to demonstrate their superiority
  • And lots more. 

Maybe there are circumstances about this character I'm not aware of that makes it best they don't be banned, but if not, it seems at the least, a warning should be in order. 

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3 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Why is danioover not banned or at least warned for these behaviors?

 Because she is admirer of Saint George the dragon slayer.

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Posting this here, since I am becoming more aware of the need to have clarity in communication. Most of what we are facing in the Social world today is due the the use or misuse of comunication, the use of Sophistry, Subversion and Covert. 

Let at least us be aware of it in our daily lifes and in our online life. 

Lets be the difference. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Most of what we are facing in the Social world today is due the the use or misuse of comunication, the use of Sophistry, Subversion and Covert. 

Communication and tact are highly important but the very ignorance that allows for the corruption in the first place, seems to me, of higher importance. As long as the average person doesn't understand basic psychological principles and does nothing to acquire any knowledge of the psyche and the traps it can so easily fall into, it's impossible for them to guard themselves against these "evil factions" that seek to pull their puppet strings. 

Also, it seems that no amount of good or tactful communication can penetrate some psyches. 

Maybe we need not only tactful communication, but extreme patience, along with making sure we know what we're talking about. But that is a lot of work. How much of ourselves should we sacrifice trying to contribute to the fixing of our world? I want to answer 100% but it's not that simple. 

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@Sucuk Ekmek

1 hour ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

 Because she is admirer of Saint George the dragon slayer.

😊👋👍 Yep, you know me enough, to go nope to these, dopamine addicted, attack-her-caricature, see, of a drama queen, stirring the witch pot. I ask which pot?  The bronze cauldron with a tempest from tea pots? Or that silver one with sliver tongues stuck beneath a cyclone? Or maybe that golden one that I winch off from a storm trying to save golden nuggets from a raging oil? Get it, golden brown nuggets, chicken strips(nudge nudge)? 

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@Rafael Thundercat

45 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Posting this here, since I am becoming more aware of the need to have clarity in communication. Most of what we are facing in the Social world today is due the the use or misuse of comunication, the use of Sophistry, Subversion and Covert. 

Let at least us be aware of it in our daily lifes and in our online life. 

Lets be the difference. 

 

   Agreed. Nice video share!

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@OBEler

4 hours ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura why are you not impressed about this miracle (positive or negative).

Let politics behind for a moment. Almost paranormal what happened. 

   I agree too, very paranormal and supernatural, like it was just out by a centimeter. What are the odds of that? You have better luck winning the lottery than just happening to turn your head in the right direction, rotation. IMHO that is amazingly rare to happen!

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@zurew

2 hours ago, zurew said:

You are wasting your time. That person definitely  haven't read anything on these topics and he is utterly clueless but he is running around   preaching how everything is relative or that there is nothing serious going on.

Complete lack of epistemic humility, completely being ignorant of the facts, while being in preacher mode while thinking they are highly conscious .

The worst person to waste any time on.

   Come on! Even if I have disagreements with @Gennadiy1981 with some topics, straight out calling him the worst person, utterly useless, clueless, and a preacher are all character assassination attempts which is fallacious. At least have a back and forth a few times with that person and hash out his reasonings before calling him all that, or don't call him all that because that's insulting and name calling which is against forum guidelines. You have been here like me years in this forum, please show some decorum and restraint at least.

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@Leo Gura But Leo, not too long ago you said something like, 'Trump will lose badly again,' and now you actually see a chance for him to win? Why the switch?

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@DocWatts

3 hours ago, DocWatts said:

Leo, myself, and others who are sounding the alarm bells about Project 2025 and a second Trump presidency are treating current events with a level of seriousness that's completely appropriate, given the situation.

America is on the cusp of losing its democracy, with the potential to backslide into the type of authoritarian regime that people have historically immigrated to the United States to escape.

Stop treating this as an abstraction. It's happening, it's real, and it will ruin many lives if it comes to fruition.

   Ok, let me take @Gennadiy1981 out of context, and let me reframe what he was trying to say without all the charged language as best I can. OK, say Trump and that Project 2025 is bad, and probability is likely he may enact project 2025, probability being like 80-60% likely. That still leaves about 50,40,30,20,10 and even 5% probability Trump may not decide and enforce project 2025, and him distancing himself from what the Evangelical Nationalists were saying is proof there's some probability he may not enact that project, so what @Gennadiy1981 was trying to say to you, as you're American in USA right? He's saying like what if you might be wrong, and what if you're deep in this cultural zeitgeist right? Like with the 9/11 attack and most Americans unanimously wanting revenge on Iraq, when it was another terrorist group that did it right? He was basically trying to ask and warn that maybe you're charged up by fear mongering, propaganda, from the media, which is effecting your critical thinking. You see what I mean right?

   And to be clear, IMHO Trump is dangerous and that project is and hopefully Biden might win again in the election, but what @Gennadiy1981 was saying is if you look at all the fear mongering tactics, propaganda tactics and all that...In his view, all that is more dangerous than Trump and Project 2025 in his opinion. What will your answer be to him?

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Steve Schmidt is an interesting character. I like him. 

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1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

don't call him all that because that's insulting and name calling which is against forum guidelines

please show some decorum and restraint at least.

1) You are generally 10x more unhinged than me especially if we take a look at the I/P thread or any Destiny thread,  so stop with the tone policing. Im good buddy. You are the last person who could go around calling people out for their tones.

2) No its not against the forum guidelines to call someone utterly clueless or a waste of time. There are plenty of links in this thread that anyone who wants to approach this topic without empty preaching can go and read, and mutliple arguments have already been made why democracy and Trump don't go together.

You were clueless as well btw, because Leo had to educate you on basic facts that you should have known a long time ago, before you started to go around arguing with people. Neither of you have the basic knowledge to have the ability to argue on this topic (because you lack the basic facts), what you do is fish around for answers and then attack them without actually getting read up on the topics first.

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48 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@DocWatts

   He's saying like what if you might be wrong, and what if you're deep in this cultural zeitgeist right? Like with the 9/11 attack and most Americans unanimously wanting revenge on Iraq, when it was another terrorist group that did it right? He was basically trying to ask and warn that maybe you're charged up by fear mongering, propaganda, from the media, which is effecting your critical thinking. You see what I mean right?

 

Well, if I am wrong, then it's business as usual and nothing im actually advocating for is harmful. Which is for more mindful, compassionate, and above all informed participation in the democratic process.Taking a disinterested or detached view of politics when our democracy is rotting from within due to apathy and neglect is none of those things.

It's the equivalent of a crowd of people standing by and watching as someone gets assaulted on a crowded street, due to the bystander effect.

If anything, I'm challenging people to take on more personal responsibility for the collective problems that we're facing.

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1 hour ago, StaraX said:

@Leo Gura But Leo, not too long ago you said something like, 'Trump will lose badly again,' and now you actually see a chance for him to win? Why the switch?

I thought the same because Biden was an incumbent. But Cenk Uyghur was right, incumbency is almost a disadvantage today.

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1 hour ago, StaraX said:

@Leo Gura But Leo, not too long ago you said something like, 'Trump will lose badly again,' and now you actually see a chance for him to win? Why the switch?

The switch is because of this shooting.

This alone makes him look like invincible. Everyone can see that surviving such an attack with style can generate new voters who were before indecisive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Joshe said:

Why is danioover not banned or at least warned for these behaviors?

  • They constantly argue for argument sake
  • It's clear they don't engage in good faith 
  • Their rhetoric verges on combative by saying things like "I'm not gonna hurt you, don't run", at the end of unhinged, incoherent rants.
  • They are juvenile, comparing their post count to others as a metric to demonstrate their superiority
  • And lots more. 

Maybe there are circumstances about this character I'm not aware of that makes it best they don't be banned, but if not, it seems at the least, a warning should be in order. 

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Woohoo… we reached 777 replies!

Trump casino.

Now back to the serious discussion.


I AM reborn

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