Shots Fired At Trump on Stage, At Rally..

[Danioover9000]

@Archie

50 minutes ago, Archie said:

If trump does get elected how fucked are normal American people going to be? I know right now the economic situation in America sucks for the middle class. But trump was president for 4 years and I don't think he destroyed democracy, even if he did add to the corruption. I really don't konw much but Id like to know more. 

I'm honestly thinking about leaving this country, especially if trump gets elected. 

   Honestly calm down, don't let the politics and fear mongering get to your head. Don't leave the country, or sell your house or pets, or break up with your BF/GF, or write a will, or any life changing choices just because someone other than Biden becomes president. That's reckless to do IMHO.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Archie said:

If trump does get elected how fucked are normal American people going to be? I know right now the economic situation in America sucks for the middle class. But trump was president for 4 years and I don't think he destroyed democracy, even if he did add to the corruption. I really don't konw much but Id like to know more. 

I'm honestly thinking about leaving this country, especially if trump gets elected. 

This is precisely incorrect.  You should be asking how fucked would we be if he doesn't.. The economy was actually booming right up until Covid hit.  He brought energy and passion.  He didnt invade Europe.  Everyone is so paranoid.  But these last four years have been abominable.  The economy has gone to hell, inflation as soared (I guess it's good for homeowners)  but other than that it's been dog doo.  My vote will be for Trump.  Don't worry though- he will win in a landslide.  And it's not gonna be some crazy fascist crap.  It's just that we have had such a horrible time with Biden that we have had so much time to imagine all the horrible things Trump would do to democracy.   He won't.   You've just seen so much inaction and incompetence that your mind will want to fabricate stories of horror due to lack of anything else going on... and that's precisely what the democrats are doing.    

Im not saying there aren't a bunch of crazy Trump junkies out there..but let's be honest..the debate should have answered all questions as to who is more capable at making things happen - if you don't want to look at both men's tenures.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Inliytened1

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

1. Conspired to steal an election?

You don't even understand that Trump orchestrated a conspiracy to undo Biden's election victory. His administration was actively manipulating and doing everything they could think of to prevent Biden's inaugration. This ended in an insurrection but they did way more stuff behind the scenes than that.

Just because their efforts failed does not mean they didn't try to steal the election for Trump. They did, and they will do it again.

If you don't know this, then it is pointless to discuss politics with you because your reseach is so poor and your grasp of the facts so shallow.

Stop watching Destiny and other social media trash and actually read some news articles by serious people about serious things.

You guys are not actually abreast of serious policy and serious news. You are lost in pop-culture politicial memes, noise, and drama.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Gennadiy1981]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Leo Gura

1. Conspired to steal an election? Jan 6 insurrection and accusation of electric votes being tampered?

2. OK Trump incited the insurrection, but he didn't directly call for the storming of the Capitol, just incited it. It was the proud boys and other far right groups in military get up that led the crowd in.

3. Trump undermined faith in the American election system? Fine, but how? And in your opinion should the American election system change? Like you suggested in your conscious politics videos?

4. Ok, but would you appoint judges that match your bias and agendas right? And which corrupt judge?

5. He staffed his administration witb grifters and criminals? Such as?

6. Which crimes did Trump engage in to win the election?

7. Trump did promise to be a dictator?

8. He has no intention, or very little intention of respecting the election and leaving office?

9. Guaranteed to commit more crimes if he was elected to office? Isn't that based on probability though?

10. His rhetoric is problematic and divisive? Ok fair enough.

11. Ok.

I usually disagree with @Danioover9000 but here he is right on all points. I could not have agreed more.

@Leo Gura I really think you are panicking more than usual. The way you speak as if the end of America is approaching and if Trump wins it will be the end. First of all there is a lot of empty talks even from media, like there was this talk that he will not leave the office, that he would prolong his stay, but none of it happened, when his time ended he sat on a chopper and left. Honestly there is so much media inflammation that scare the public but we with high consciousness should brush these silly things off.

I cannot imagine how one person can become a dictator in such a high country that has so many branches of government. It clearly shows that you fell into scare tactics that the media propagates. I know that you are serious and I can see based on your text that you are panicking and not as a joke but you are serious about it. Why do you allow yourself to be inhabited with just news outlets that need to sell news to make controversies so they make money. Honestly, most of the stuff is foolish and totally not achievable. 

[zurew]

If you have questions about Trump, read this motherfucker in full and then come back.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

[mrPixel]

1 hour ago, Archie said:

But trump was president for 4 years and I don't think he destroyed democracy, even if he did add to the corruption. I really don't konw much but Id like to know more.

Leo's bulleted list is a good starting point. He didn't just add to the corruption, he started a whole movement.

It will be a long time before we have a functioning democracy again, and that's if we can even salvage the damage that he has done.

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't even understand that Trump orchestrated a conspiracy to undo Biden's election victory. His administration was actively manipulating and doing everything they could think of to prevent Biden's inaugration. This ended in an insurrection but they did way more stuff behind the scenes than that.

Just because their efforts failed does not mean they didn't try to steal the election for Trump. They did, and they will do it again.

If you don't know this, then it is pointless to discuss politics with you because your reseach is so poor and your grasp of the facts so shallow.

Stop watching Destiny and other social media trash and actually read some news articles by serious people about serious things.

You guys are not actually abreast of serious policy and serious news. You are lost in pop-culture politicial memes, noise, and drama.

I recall you saying the same thing about Russia..I'm not saying he didn't play a role in it...but you are speaking from intuition i don't think you really have any facts.   Either way...Biden has been garbage.  I feel like when he came into office it would have been no different than to just press fast forward and jump to the present, because we wouldn't have missed anything.   Nothing happened.   

[kguirnela]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Trump did many things and he promised to do many more:

• He conspired to steal an election and not leave office
• He incited a violent insurrection that lead to the deaths of people
• He undermined faith in the American election system
• He appointed many corrupt judges to important and crucial positions
• He staffed his adminisation with grifters and criminals
• He engaged in crimes to win an election
• He engaged in further crimes beyond that
• He promised to be dicator on day one
• He has no intention of leaving office or respecting any election results
• He is guaranteed to commit more crimes if elected and abuse his office
• His radical rhetoric has caused much domestic terrorism and violence, including his own assassination
• The people he will appoint in his admininsration will be radicals and criminals hell-bent on undermining the government from within. This is by their own words.

Don't forget he also took a lot of high classified documents & never returned them

 

 

[Jodistrict]

 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

I recall you saying the same thing about Russia..I'm not saying he didn't play a role in it...but you are speaking from intuition i don't think you really have any facts. 

What I said is a matter of public record and well-documented. We have records, witnesses, and phone calls of Trump and his lackeys trying to prevent a transition of power to Biden.

The Jan 6 riot was not an spontaneous accident, it was carefully planned out by Trump and his MAGA political operatives.

We have several MAGA people convicted and imprisoned for SEDITION!

You just don't follow the news closely enough.

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Either way...Biden has been garbage. 

You don't appreciate how bad the Trump alterative would be.

Biden has been quite decent overall.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Leo Gura

[LSD-Rumi]

@Leo Gura If he tried to abolish democracy, it would definitely end in a civil war. Democracy is the most important value in politics for Americans. Could he achieve something as grandiose as that?

[LSD-Rumi]

Average Americans are so politically Passive that it is disgusting. Maybe they need a slab on the face to wake up. Four new years of Trump and more abolished liberties may do that. Fire makes wiser people than feathers.

[Merkabah Star]

4 hours ago, Archie said:

I'm honestly thinking about leaving this country, especially if trump gets elected. 

Lol

 

[Merkabah Star]

3 hours ago, kguirnela said:

Don't forget he also took a lot of high classified documents & never returned them

 

Big deal, it’s nothing new. 

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Every U.S. presidential administration since the 1980s has mishandled classified documents, according to testimony from a National Archives and Records Administration official released Wednesday—after the discovery of classified documents at the homes of President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump led to two federal probes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/05/17/not-just-trump-and-biden-every-administration-since-reagan-mishandled-classified-records-national-archives-finds/

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by Merkabah Star

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, LSD-Rumi said:

@Leo Gura If he tried to abolish democracy, it would definitely end in a civil war. Democracy is the most important value in politics for Americans. Could he achieve something as grandiose as that?

I didn't think it was a real possibility until I saw Project 2025.

Now it is a real possibility. Not 100%, but something like 20-30% chance, which is deeply concerning if you think about it seriously.

The biggest problem here is that most Americans are not taking it seriously, they regard Trump as a clown who is no worse than Biden. This kind of attitude is a recipe for disaster. People are really under-informed and aren't thinking straight. This is a very dangerous situation. All the fundamentals are bad. America has finally become so corrupt and so morally debased by capitalism that bad things must happen. Nobody is being an adult and taking serious responsibilty over the fundamentals. People are acting like egotistical ignorant children. That cannot end well.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

The American populace was quite used to being the beneficiary of capitalism and they have grown to enjoy it for far too long that they have never thought it would even come to bite them back in the ass. 

All the liberalism was a mask for capitalism which works as long as you have a pipeline of labor, money and resources streamed to the west from third world. Aka neo liberalism, distinct from wokeism. Ukraine was supposed to be the next cash cow in the line.

I do not think wokeism would have thrived in the absence of siphoning the wealth from the rest of the world into the west which via covert and overt means, that results in the woke bubble, which is a second order effect of crony capitalism. They are the beneficiaries of capitalism while living in total disconnect with the damages of capitalism. 

Hence capitalism thrived in the west all throughout the late 20th century. This is the best life anyone could have asked for, relatively speaking. Boomers had the time of their life while America went on a bombing spree across the entire world.

Boomers had the best life. Zoomers and millennials are going to pay up for it.  Now it's payback time for capitalism.

[Scholar]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Stop watching Destiny and other social media trash and actually read some news articles by serious people about serious things.

 

Destiny is pretty much the only big political pundit who actually talks about this very issue. If he had listened to Destiny, he'd know about it, because that's one of the reasons why Destiny is going so insane. He assumed that the US institutions were strong and that Trump would be taken accountable. But then he was literally declard immune from criminal persecuting by the supreme court.

That's why he is on this whole sharade right now, the fact that the right basically supports someone who wanted to insurrect the government.

 

It's actually mindblowing how little this is reported on by political pundits and the news in general. Almost nobody in your country is aware of what happened.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Scholar

[OBEler]

It is a miracle that he survived. That's why I and many could not believe this was happening at the beginning.

It's far too unrealistic for reality to happen. But it happened. 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

Gosh, for you guys who live in America. How to live with this sort of BS? 

 

[Hatfort]

6 minutes ago, OBEler said:

It is a miracle that he survived. That's why I and many could not believe this was happening at the beginning.

It's far too unrealistic for reality to happen. But it happened. 

 

True, the move he made at that precise moment saved his life. If the shooter had shot one second earlier, he would be dead. I think he is in shock yet.