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[questionreality]

@Leo Gura @Joshe Destiny is defending the bombing of Hiroshima and Negasaki, while Elon is trying to point to him some common sense right here on their 2 hour debate:

 

Where is your intelligence now, in seeing Destiny for who he really is? Hilarious how you guys love to put labels on Trump, yet are totally blind to people who are actual psychopaths on your side 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

Where would a registered Republican ever get the idea that gun violence is the answer to solving political disagreements?

from this post :

https://x.com/JustVent6/status/1812574647407231421

This is th sort of people Trump will have around him, because no intelligent one will be allowed

 

Edited July 16, 2024 by Rafael Thundercat

[lostingenosmaze]

12 hours ago, Joshe said:

I'm sorry, I was hoping my hypothetical thought experiment would do the trick but I guess not. 

It doesn't have to do with policy or even if he did good because you wouldn't discuss the good policies of the Devil himself, would you? No, you would know the Devil was going to trick you and in the end, it wouldn't be good for you, right? 

But the problem is, when you look at Trump, you don't see it. So why is that I see it, Leo sees it, and many other intelligent people see it, and they yell from the fucking rooftops about it? Is it because they have TDS or because they're "on the left"? No.

We can't catalogue for you every single observation of Trump and point to the evidence of his devilry and we can't swat down every incorrect read you might have. I guess that's the problem. If you can't see it for yourself, we're just stuck wishing you could, but I'm exhausted on this topic TBH. 

A lot of question-begging that could've just as well said "Trump is a Devil because... because... he just IS, OKAY!?"

Edited July 16, 2024 by lostingenosmaze

[Rafael Thundercat]

Here is the current FBI story:

- Crooks had no social media.

- Crooks had no phone data that revealed a motive.

- Crooks had no friends. - Crooks acted alone.

- Crooks was able to climb on a roof kinda-sorta undetected and lined up the perfect shot on a president.

Makes sense!

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1812990196763488401

[Rafael Thundercat]

This is amazing:

https://x.com/Motabhai012/status/1813023708719816879

 

[Twentyfirst]

On 7/14/2024 at 2:44 PM, Joshe said:

I wonder if Owen is just a capitalist wolf or is he really this stupid? 

He says something like "Trump could have went and lived out his life in leisure and peace but he'd rather fight for what he believes in".

Is Owen really that blind or is he cultivating an audience? What is going on here? 

He is just wrong on a lot of things. He thinks of his society as automatically better than collective societies even though he never grew up in a collective society. He separated the difference between good collectives and bad collectives but he looks down on both of them unfairly 

[Danioover9000]

@questionreality

1 hour ago, questionreality said:

@Leo Gura @Joshe Destiny is defending the bombing of Hiroshima and Negasaki, while Elon is trying to point to him some common sense right here on their 2 hour debate:

 

Where is your intelligence now, in seeing Destiny for who he really is? Hilarious how you guys love to put labels on Trump, yet are totally blind to people who are actual psychopaths on your side 

 

   At this point it's not worth challenging @Leo Gura or some mods who like Lex Fridman and even Destiny and try to point out their flaws. Trust me, did that and got in trouble. Maybe he changes his mind with you but I won't hold my breath.

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, lostingenosmaze said:

A lot of question-begging that could've just as well said "Trump is a Devil because... because... he just IS, OKAY!?"

@lostingenosmaze In poker, fish have a hard time reading reality accurately. It's not possible to tell a fish how to read reality accurately but it is possible for some fish to have it dawn on them that there is something the winning players can see that they can't, which is GREAT because now the fish can grow.

How would I begin to communicate the totality of the vast body of occurrences that, when looked at as a whole by an intelligent person, reveals that Trump is possibly the strongest force for evil currently on the planet?

Bringing you specific occurrences doesn't work. It goes something like this: first, you try to pick it apart with logic and reason and when that doesn't work, your mind quickly searches for a both-sides or whataboutism argument and when I deflect those by pointing out fallacy or incomplete information, you start the cycle over again, and so it continues. The end result is usually you become more entrenched in your position. 

For you or anyone trying to understand what all the fuss is and why intelligent people harp on Trump, it's because, there is something you are not seeing. I'm not using "intelligent" here as a flex or a way to demean but rather, a hint. Why is it that many highly intelligent people consider Trump as dangerous as they do?

They might see something you can't, which means it's possible for you to discover what that is... if you try.

 

Edited July 16, 2024 by Joshe

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat

39 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

This is amazing:

https://x.com/Motabhai012/status/1813023708719816879

 

   It is amazing, and so are Lex Fridman's tweet of cursing. First time being mean I guess.

[Danioover9000]

@Joshe

4 minutes ago, Joshe said:

In poker, fish have a hard time reading reality accurately. It's not possible to tell a fish how to read reality accurately but it is possible for some fish to have it dawn on them that there is something the winning players can see that they can't.

How would I begin to communicate the totality of the vast body of occurrences that, when looked at as a whole by an intelligent person, reveals that Trump is a huge force of evil that large swaths of the population cannot see? 

Bringing you specific occurrences doesn't work. It goes something like this: first, you try to pick it apart with logic and reason and when that doesn't work, your mind quickly searches for a both-sides or whataboutism argument and when I deflect those by pointing out fallacy or incomplete information, you start the cycle over again, and so it continues. The end results is usually you become more entrenched in your position. 

For you or anyone trying to understand what all the fuss is and why intelligent people harp on Trump, it's because, there is something you are not seeing. I'm not using "intelligent" here as a flex or a way to demean but rather, a hint. Why is that that many highly intelligent people consider Trump as dangerous as they do?

They might see something you can't, which means it's possible for you to discover what that is... if you try.

 

1. the hypothetical makes no sense because there's no fish in any poker game. In fact that's a dehumanizing example. I get the example which is you're point that some people can't recognize danger patterns, but poker and fish is not compatible for that point you're trying to claim.

2.You begin to communicate by reason, logic, with facts and statistic that corroborate your claim, in this case you're saying and others that Trump is evil. OK, so what's your reasoning and justification and what proof do you have of Trump's evil, versus the good Trump did? If his evil outweighs the good, can you show us where and why?

3. All that you described is part of arguing and debating, part of using rhetoric from Pathos, Ethos and Logos. Main reason why we have these is because not everyone will have the same agreement or same perspective like you, we'll have differences in ranges, which may mean we must argue and debate to hash out our differences and come to a better understanding. Logic and reason is part of that too. Also just because you do the fallacy of pointing out fallacies does not mean you're winning a debate, it just means at least you know and signal to others a fallacies have happened, but you have not countered them sufficiently by just pointing them out. For example, you could be the witness that saw the shooter, but just pointing it out to secret service or soldier nearby, was not enough to resolve the incoming danger. It required response-ability from the soldier and secret service, which followed up with neutralizing the gunman. You merely pointing it out is just part of the victory, not the whole victory.

4.Or, demonstrate to us why we should try in the first place to see what may or may not be there? Or try to show us how to have more intelligence like you in order to 'see' the danger you're pointing to, or have you forgotten that intelligence is more fixed like in IQ and that most people just can't get more smarter than they are?

[Danioover9000]

@OBEler

7 hours ago, OBEler said:

@enchanted

PTSD is kicking in

   I have confirmed your suspicions. Yes, I think it's very likely PTSD and probably something else, but based on the body language I'm seeing, the shooting has effected him and made him realize how lucky he was, and how finite life can be. Or something like that!

   So nope, no Hitler god complex yet I'm seeing!😂

[Joshe]

@Danioover9000 You've never seen Rounders? A "fish" in poker just means incompetent player. 

I don't think you've understood the main point. I plugged my post into ChatGPT and said "analyze this writing". ChatGPT has correctly interpreted my point. Maybe have a look at it here: https://chatgpt.com/share/6709b94a-c7f1-4fcf-801b-ba5058b2113c

Also, I don't consider myself to be highly intelligent and I'm not well-educated but my ability to perceive reality accurately is probably in the 95%+ percentile. Maybe even 99, IDK. I would call this ability a form of intelligence but I'm not well-educated. So I would say you could consider me highly intelligent when it comes to reading reality, but definitely not in terms of cognition and breadth of factual knowledge. I can definitely be wrong about things and often am, but I'm not wrong about this. 

Edited July 16, 2024 by Joshe

[Danioover9000]

@Joshe

13 minutes ago, Joshe said:

@Danioover9000 You've never seen Rounders? A "fish" in poker just means incompetent players. 

I don't think you've understood the main point. I plugged my post into ChatGPT and said "analyze this writing". ChatGPT has correctly interpreted my point. Maybe have a look at it here: https://chatgpt.com/share/6709b94a-c7f1-4fcf-801b-ba5058b2113c

Also, I don't consider myself to be highly intelligent and I'm not well-educated but my ability to perceive reality accurately is probably in the 95%+ percentile. Maybe even 99, IDK. I would call this ability a form of intelligence but I'm not well-educated. So I would say you could consider me highly intelligent when it comes to reading reality, but definitely not in terms of cognition. I can definitely be wrong about things and often am, but I'm not wrong about this. 

1. Never seen Rounders, if that's what you meant okay. Just saying general a fish in some poker table makes no sense for most who don't know.

2. I understood your point well enough without relying on ChatGBT or other A.I programs to do the thinking for me. I also understand that after Leo Gura made that blog post about Evangelical Christian nationalists, and the art of the devil, that most of your posts since then have been copying and aping Leo's linguistics. Why is more of your posts making very similar points to Leo Gura when most of your posts before Leo Gura's blog posts were more normal and less resembling Leo's talking points?

3. Great you admitted you don't consider yourself intelligent and well educated, yet claim your perception of reality is in the 95% percentile to maybe 99%, then saying 'IDK', and not providing a site or source to verify your claim of those percentiles. Then you claim this perception is your form of intelligence, yet, claim you're not educated enough. Then assume I could consider you intelligent to 'read reality', then claim it's definitely not in terms of cognition so which is it intelligence or cognition? And then claim you can definitely be wrong but in this case you're not. Why all the weaseling, dodging, deflecting, jumping from one claim to another, without anyone evidence to support at least one point? Why the floundering and granting yourself these many positions without any evidence at all? 

[Joshe]

@Danioover9000 you most certainly did not understand my point because you failed to address it. You fail to acknowledge the key point. Can you, right now, without nastiness, articulate to me what my point is? 

[Joshe]

@Danioover9000  Here, I'll save you the embarrassment. 

Also, spare me your adhominems and focus on the point.

Here is the problem:

• Those who don't see Trump as evil are consistently reading reality wrong. Each inaccurate read can be seen as a brick in a wall. These bricks add up over time and reinforce each other.
• When their wrong reads are pointed out to them, they fortify and entrench by adding more mortar or another brick in the wall. 
• A single brick is easy to destroy when it exists all by itself but when you have 1000 connected bricks, tearing one down is difficult because 999 others help keep it locked in.
• Removing a single brick from the wall is inconsequential. 
• The only way to tear down your wall of falsehood is by opening your mind. The only way I could assist is if you wanted to tear it down, and of course, you don't, therefore, there is no evidence I can present to you. At best, I will destroy one brick but your wall will stand.

But here I am, uselessly banging my head against your brick wall, hoping it will make a difference. 

Again, please spare me your adhominems.

Am I safe to use this brick wall analogy or has Leo mentioned that before too?

Edit: Also, Leo does often supply me with words, terms, or phrases that are useful in articulating my existing, original thoughts and so if you think I steal some of his terminology, you are correct. However, he does not give me my positions but rather, reinforces the ones I already have. So it'd be nice if you could understand this as well. 

Edited July 16, 2024 by Joshe

[OBEler]

@enchanted sorry for referring your name all the time, can't delete.

 

This close death encounter will change him. But not for the better. I know a red/orange minded person who survived a knife attack. Some years later he is a megalomaniac, he feels he is the toughest guy in town. Also he has a weapon equipment at home , just in case you know.

That also will happen to Trump on a bigger scale. Trump will be worse than you know him already. He will be unpredictable, which is a kind of super power he already had. Just even stronger.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 16, 2024 by OBEler

[Danioover9000]

@Joshe

7 minutes ago, Joshe said:

@Danioover9000  Here, I'll save you the embarrassment. 

Also, spare me your adhominems and focus on the point.

Here is the problem:

• Those who don't see Trump as evil are consistently reading reality wrong. Each inaccurate read can be seen as a brick in a wall. These bricks add up over time and reinforce each other.
• When their wrong reads are pointed out to them, they fortify and entrench by adding more mortar or another brick in the wall. 
• A single brick is easy to destroy when it exists all by itself but when you have 1000 connected bricks, tearing one down is difficult because 999 others help keep it locked in.
• Removing a single brick from the wall is inconsequential. 
• The only way to tear down your wall of falsehood is by opening your mind. The only way I could assist is if you wanted to tear it down, and of course, you don't. 

But here I am, uselessly banging my head against your brick wall, hoping it will make a difference. 

Again, please spare me your adhominems.

 

1. What Ad hominem? Show me what ad hominems I have done to you exactly since this post. When did I specifically insult you?

2. So those who don't see Trump as evil are consistently reading reality wrong? Are you saying that those people are illiterate and cannot read a book, therefore those people can't 'read reality', therefore they are lower intelligence than you? What do you mean each inaccuracies is a brick?

3. Again, your brick analogy is confusing. So a brick is a reasoning, or a person? because you claim one brick is 'easy to destroy' but when you have 1000 'connected bricks' 'tearing' one down is difficult because of the other 999 bricks. So are you suggesting these bricks are reasons or people, because if they're people then you're suggesting it's easy to 'destroy' one person but not 1000 people together right, because that would be homicide and not mass murder?

4. Removing a single brick is inconsequential? Really? Because in the context of engineering and construction and an actual wall of bricks, removing one is actually consequential because that creates weakness which adds to faster errosion over time that effects the concrete, the cement lines connecting the bricks, which leads to safety issues for those living within the brick wall and house, and an increase in danger of the wall collapsing.

5. So you assume I have a wall of falsehood which can only be taken down if I concede to you and open my mind??? And why do I want assistance from you to destroy a brick wall, or a brick, or a people that I apparently have???Dude I don't literally have a brick wall with me here, and I refuse any solicitation from you to commit an act of homicide or mass destruction of about 1000 people or 1 person...

[Danioover9000]

@Joshe

34 minutes ago, Joshe said:

@Danioover9000 you most certainly did not understand my point because you failed to address it. You fail to acknowledge the key point. Can you, right now, without nastiness, articulate to me what my point is? 

   If I had to guess your ultimate aim here, is to buddy up to some mods and Leo, share their value words in the Trump hate? Because To me it's more than coincidental that this change in language you have is after Leo dropped his blog post about Christian nationalism and Trump being a devil. Before he dropped that you have about 100 posts in several threads that show you're a typical user here, but you ended up changing your language a bit to copy him and another mod. If you want I can just DM these posts right now to you, to show you what I mean when I'm addressing the change in language you underwent right? Or if you want I can share them publicly right here and we can talk about it right, why you're trying to sound more similar to Leo right?  Literally after July 7-14 your posts are resembling more of his takes but before that it was a bit different. I'm just asking the quiet question out loud is all...

Edited July 16, 2024 by Danioover9000

[Joshe]

@Danioover9000 Are you trolling me? Instead of engaging with the main idea, you're throwing insults about how I get my marching orders from Leo. All the while, COMPLETELY avoiding the main idea. Anyway, I gotta get back to work. See ya

 

[Yimpa]

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