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[Karmadhi]

@Leo Gura

However, I also heard about another argument.

It says that the main reason that caused to Hamas to attack Israel when they did was because of the Abraham accords which were forged under Trump. Those accords did not take Palestinian statehood into account and therefore they attacked to avoid their signing. Using this argument, Trump is a big factor that the attack happened in the first place.

So, it is a mess. One side blames Biden, another Trump

Sorry, this part I posted when you were replying so maybe you did not see it.

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is problematic too.

But Iran did not invade anyone.

And giving its own money back to Iran was part of a larger attempt to make a deal with them.

I am not aware of all the details.

I am writting here the arguments I hear Pro Trump people use a lot.

Even people from the Middle East want him to win because they think he will make the region safe again.

I guess Trump got lucky with no wars starting under him and now he uses that chance to take the merit for it even if it is not his.

I really wonder though how Trump would have reacted if Putin invaded Ukraine under his watch. If he would have pushed Zelensky to accept the peace agreement in Istanbul in 2022 which was mediated by Turkey and Israel. Mearsheimer talks often about it.

[Gennadiy1981]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This makes no sense.

The notion that world leaders are afraid of Trump is ridiculous. They view Trump as a useful idiot clown.

Only a self-absorbed American could believe that Trump intimidates world leaders into inaction. As if Putin or some Hamas terrorist gives a damn that Trump exists. All they see is Americans acting like clowns.

Leo no offense to you but you are extremely biased towards Trump. I mean I get your points and a lot of them are correct but you are being severely biased, like you find all faults in him. 
 

You went as far as saying he will make an authoritarianism but common in USA it’s not even possible not to mention you have 3 branches of government and even the executive branch is divided into many. Let’s be honest, president does not have so much power within US.

And common give a guy at least some credit, praise him in anything. I remember in your trap video you said that he is charismatic (which made me say that hey Leo gives compliment) but then you said only for those who are not bright. 
 

Look no person is all bad as well as no person is all good.

[Leo Gura]

@Karmadhi The situations in Ukraine and Gaza were and are too serious for Trump to make any positive solution to them. All he can do is blow hot air and spin bullshit, not solve intractable problems.

Trump is too intellectually lazy to even read a book about Ukraine or Gaza. This tells you everything.

Edited July 15, 2024 by Leo Gura

[integral]

10 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

 

His father was a libertarian

his mother was a Democrat registered voter

he was registered as a Republican

🤷‍♀️🤷

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, integral said:

he was registered as a Republican

Liberals often register as Republicans in order to vote against them in their primaries, especially in red states where Dem votes are meaningless.

So this registration doesn't tell us much.

Edited July 15, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Leo no offense to you but you are extremely biased towards Trump. I mean I get your points and a lot of them are correct but you are being severely biased, like you find all faults in him. 
 

You went as far as saying he will make an authoritarianism but common in USA it’s not even possible not to mention you have 3 branches of government and even the executive branch is divided into many. Let’s be honest, president does not have so much power within US.

And common give a guy at least some credit, praise him in anything. I remember in your trap video you said that he is charismatic (which made me say that hey Leo gives compliment) but then you said only for those who are not bright. 
 

Look no person is all bad as well as no person is all good.

It's not that Trump does not have any positive qualities, it's that they are not relevant to his suitability for public office.

I am biased against devilry, yes.

Edited July 15, 2024 by Leo Gura

[mrPixel]

14 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Look no person is all bad as well as no person is all good.

Come on man. We can look for good qualities in anyone but let's not be naive. Sociopaths are not to be trusted.

[blankisomeone]

I love Trump. ❤️ 

[zurew]

3 hours ago, Raze said:

What is your opinion on this clip?

https://www.tiktok.com/@destiny.vs.destiny/video/7386077707018210566?lang=en

How many streams of his have you watched in full?

3 hours ago, Raze said:

The point of the video isn’t his belief on that issue, it’s how easily he switches moralities depending on what he’s talking about.

Does he update his moral stance easily or whats happening is that the content of the situation is different compared to the other and thats why his stance on it is different?  Or  another very common explanation is that given that he becomes aware of more information about a given situation, he starts to lean in a different direction. And even this doesn't completely exhaust the possibility space how it could be explained.

 Im surprised you haven't considered those options or if you did considered them, I would ask you to walk me through your thought process how you end up with "he is easily switches moralities" rather than ending up with one of the options from what I listed above.

 

 

4 hours ago, Raze said:

In a discussion with Candace Owens she accused him of being a contrarian and he slightly smiled then denied it.

Candace Owens convo was absolutely horrible. Destiny and Candace disagree probably on 99% of the things they have a political stance on, but she characterizing that as Destiny just being contrarian is intellectually lazy and bad faith. Think about how lazy and intellectually bankrupt it is to just throw labels on the person and then not engage with his arguments, just because you two disagree on most things.

This is what Destiny has always been very frustrated about, that the vast majority of  people (including most political commentators) would rather  make a bunch of assumptions  and assertions about why Destiny doesn't believe in  what he states he believes in  and they would rather spend 99% of the time questioning his motivations (making claims what his "true" beliefs are) than actually engaging with the arguments that he is putting out. 

4 hours ago, Raze said:

Rather than developing a good faith position on it through logical discussion he decides his position in advance and forms his moral arguments around what best defends it.

Whats the argument for this?

4 hours ago, Raze said:

What he does is he picks a position that goes against the far right or far left, usually left of center mainstream dem, then starts twisting himself to justify it. That’s not a insightful or good faith strategy, it just appears that way because it’s usually easier to defend establishment positions.

Whats the argument for this?

 

[blankisomeone]

I’m also tripping rnw, so… That could be that

[BlessedLion]

It’s like people are just totally forgetting how much of a narcissistic, lunatic, asshole Trump is just because of this. It is what it is. I don’t react anymore to peoples stupidity and lack of wisdom, which is rampant in America. Just hard to see sometimes, going to stay away from it. Also twitter is def rigged for Trump

[zurew]

Lol https://x.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1812697897848213960

 

 

[Ajay0]

At this point of time, one can say that gun violence in the U.S has become a threat to the  democratic process itself.  Two American presidents have been gunned down in the past.

It is high time legislation is created to ensure hard controls on possession of guns.

[Bobby_2021]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Karmadhi The situations in Ukraine and Gaza were and are too serious for Trump to make any positive solution to them. All he can do is blow hot air and spin bullshit, not solve intractable problems.

Trump is too intellectually lazy to even read a book about Ukraine or Gaza. This tells you everything.

What intellectual complications are you talking about? They had to restrain themselves from expanding like crazy all the way into Putin's ass. 

This is the point of conservatism or any conservative leader. It is to bring back attention to matters at home and not expand the circle of concern above and beyond your stretch. The correct thing to do was to be friendly with Russia and not overthrow the democratically elected Ukrainian govt in 2014.

Monsters like Trump are to be expected as a natural balancing act by nature for all the monstrosity liberalism is causing elsewhere in the world. You are forced to confront the monster you are.

Gaza situation was indeed complicated, but no one could have done anything about it anyway.

Edited July 15, 2024 by Bobby_2021

[Leo Gura]

42 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

This is the point of conservatism or any conservative leader. It is to bring back attention to matters at home and not expand the circle of concern above and beyond your stretch. The correct thing to do was to be friendly with Russia and not overthrow the democratically elected Ukrainian govt in 2014.

There is truth and wisdom in a policy of reigning in NATO. I just don't entrust Trump with such a sensitive and nuanced matter. He will find some way to clown it up.

I also doubt to what extent Trump could actually alter or undo NATO expansion.

But even if he could do all that it is not worth the cost of losing our democracy at home. I'm not going to support a corrupt authoritarian just because he might have a few good "anti-war" policies. Because authoritarians are not known to be peaceful people.

Maybe Trump starts a war with Iran. You don't know. He's an agent of chaos.

Edited July 15, 2024 by Leo Gura

[zazen]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

People who cast MAGA as economically motivated have been shown consistently wrong. They misunderstand the nature of this beast. This is A CULTURE WAR, it is not about policy or improvement of government, or a critique of capitalism. The people who support Trump are too ignorant to care about such sophisticated things as proper governance or economics. These people want MORE capitalism! And they will hang socialists like Chris Hedges from a gallows. Because this isn't about improving economics. You could give each MAGA ten million dollars and they would still be MAGA. They don't care about crafting fair economic policy.

Hedges is projecting his socialist agenda onto this CULTURE WAR.

True, it isn’t purely economic but taps into a few currents. Politics is downstream from culture, and economics plays a part in shifting culture too. Urbanisation concentrates and creates wealth (with inequalities), which also shifts attitudes with education and cosmopolitanism. A lot of different effects take hold in urban vs rural environments. Exposure to more diversity naturally makes you more open towards it, up to a point.

Besides economics, it’s a cultural crusade against a culture (liberal) they view as too different to their own. Liberal attitudes are incubated in urban centres, which they find foreign from where they stand in rural or suburban environments. 

MAGA is the mutant child of cultural resentment and economic dispossession. They don’t care for capitalism or want to dismantle capitalism, they just want to be on top of it.

We could say it’s not just economic dislocation, but the threat of cultural extinction in a globalising world of blurry homogeneity and gentrification. In their minds, the trans movement of blurring man and woman embodies this to which they lash out subconsciously - it’s an attack on identity and belonging. From India to Brazil, America to mainland Europe - people are looking at their societies and feeling like strangers in their own land. I 

The movement right is a wish to build a cultural bomb shelter from the onslaught of globalisation and to snap back from the excesses of liberal cities which hold disproportionate power and dictate to suburban / urban heartlands.  Nothing embodies this excess like the emoji of a pregnant man on what’s app - a messaging app 2 billion people or 20% of the world use, including the more traditionally minded who are pressured to use it due to its wide use.

Edited July 15, 2024 by zazen

[Bobby_2021]

46 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Maybe Trump starts a war with Iran. You don't know. He's an agent of chaos

Maybe? Biden is already at war with Iran. 

New age wars do not have direct confrontations anymore. It's all proxy wars. US is at war already at war with Iran and Russia. Now they are trying their best to provoke China into a war too. 

This is what I do not think you get, nor appreciate it enough, if you do get.

Whatever the worst fears you had from Trump are already here even before he took office, including a dangerous nuclear escalation spiral with Russia pushing us to the brink of  WW3.  But you will probably not attribute it to Biden or democrats because he is not a fascist lol. 

It may not be authoritarians who start wars all the time. Sometimes the weak liberals are the ones who start wars.  But somehow you will always find a way to blame it on authoritarians and people will believe you because of the optics.   

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I also doubt to what extent Trump could actually alter or undo NATO expansion.

NATO Expansion is the agenda of the deep state to sell more weapons and arms to broke countries. This is literally how you earn hundreds of billions while contributing nothing in value while making weapons to kill poor children abroad. 

This sort of corruption is so deep rooted into American politics. I like to see someone countering it rather than giving it a blank check. One man cannot counter it nor stop it. 

I would prefer a saner man to be the republican leader more than the orange man. But I do prefer the orange man instead of any democrat being in power. It is what it is. 

I am not shunning any morals by supporting the orange man. Just that I do not want to see situations like this: 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

4 hours ago, mrPixel said:

Come on man. We can look for good qualities in anyone but let's not be naive. Sociopaths are not to be trusted.

There are books about what we can learn from psycopats and sociopaths. But to deal with one is different than study them. Trusting a sociopath is like a sheap trusting the wolf have good qualities.

[Rafael Thundercat]

3 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

It’s like people are just totally forgetting how much of a narcissistic, lunatic, asshole Trump is just because of this. It is what it is. I don’t react anymore to peoples stupidity and lack of wisdom, which is rampant in America. Just hard to see sometimes, going to stay away from it. Also twitter is def rigged for Trump

Is pure peer group pressure. Is like people in the story about the naked King that was tricked to think he had new clothes. Nobody in the village would risk say something contrary to the peer group pressure because it they would be ostracized. Only the child was able  to say the king was naked. And we never heard about what happened with the honest child. Maybe an outcast. People are Monkeys with lymbic system operating as the main source of truth. 

[Davino]

10 hours ago, Yali said:

Do you think Trump believes his own bullshit?

Like a fly having lunch

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

So it's a combination of pure cynical Machiavellianism plus the delusions of grandiose narcissism.

Good clinical analysis.