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[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Joshe said:

@Raze When Destiny says something like "I don't know if there's anything wrong with ethnic cleansing", and stares at the ceiling, this is a mind that is not afraid to actually question things it's never questioned. When you engage in argumentation, you have to cover your bases and if you really want to know why ethnic cleansing is bad, you have to see for yourself and try to poke holes in things to see if they're actually bad or not, rather than just claim they are. He makes an earnest attempt to actually consider the idea. You can see it in his movement and hear in his tonality that he's engaging with the question from a place of genuine curiosity because this is how INTPs operate. They question everything. Nothing is off limits.

You can probably find a clip of him saying "IDK, is pedophilia really bad. What's so bad about it"? And the conformist mind will immediately condemn him for wanting to actually identify what is wrong with it. 

If you’re discussing politics full time you should already have basic elementary morality figured out regarding the issues you are talking about. How can you be arguing about Israel for months and still not know where you stand on ethnic cleaning?

Rather than developing a good faith position on it through logical discussion he decides his position in advance and forms his moral arguments around what best defends it. When he is talking to a right winger who wants to deport Mexicans he tells them they’re racists who are asking for something worse than execution, when he wants to defend Israel suddenly it’s ok. It’s not because he’s open minded, it’s because he decided in advance what his position is and has to contort his beliefs to justify them. 

Edited July 15, 2024 by Raze

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Raze said:

What is your opinion on this clip?

https://www.tiktok.com/@destiny.vs.destiny/video/7386077707018210566?lang=en

I think Destiny's rationalizations of Israeli domination of Palestinians is one of his weakest positions that I have heard.

Destiny may be right on some technical points there but he is wrong in the big picture of what Israel is doing. Israel is engaged in domination and exploitation of a weak minority group through underhanded Machinavellian machinations and lies.

Edited July 15, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

Oval Office address:

 

[Karmadhi]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I think Destiny's rationalizations of Israeli domination of Palestinians is one of his weakest positions that I have heard.

Destiny may be right on some technical points there but he is wrong in the big picture of what Israel is doing. Israel is engaged in domination and exploitation of a weak minority group through Machinavellian machinations.

THANK YOU Leo

I thought the same watching his debates, they really got into me as very biased.

 

[Karmadhi]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-megachurch-sermons-00168146

You guys were right, he is being elevated to Prophet  status now

As a non American, this is hilarious to me 

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I think Destiny's rationalizations of Israeli domination of Palestinians is one of his weakest positions.

The point of the video isn’t his belief on that issue, it’s how easily he switches moralities depending on what he’s talking about.

In a discussion with Candace Owens she accused him of being a contrarian and he slightly smiled then denied it. What he does is he picks a position that goes against the far right or far left, usually left of center mainstream dem, then starts twisting himself to justify it. That’s not a insightful or good faith strategy, it just appears that way because it’s usually easier to defend establishment positions.

Say what you will about Vaush but at least he has something of a moral system he worked out and uses as a lens to view issues and develop arguments based on, as flawed as it can be.

Edited July 15, 2024 by Raze

[Karmadhi]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-republicans-god-intervention-00168108

Guys is this for real?

Please some American here explain to me, do american POLITICANS really believe in this shit or it is just being used for political support?

[Danioover9000]

@Raze

10 minutes ago, Raze said:

The point of the video isn’t his belief on that issue, it’s how easily he switches moralities depending on what he’s talking about.

In a discussion with Candace Owens she accused him of being a contrarian and he slightly smiled then denied it. What he does is he picks a position that goes against the far right or far left, usually left of center mainstream dem, then starts twisting himself to justify it. That’s not a insightful or good faith strategy, it just appears that way because it’s usually easier to defend establishment positions.

Say what you will about Vaush but at least he has something of a moral system he worked out and uses as a lens to view issues and develop arguments based on, as flawed as it can be.

   Yeah, seen enough of Destiny and Vaush to comment that his main problem is communicating in a sophistry way. What Vaush should do is simplify his communication a bit, and stop competing for airtime superiority. In fact common problem in debate circles especially in TV and livestream debates, even live debates is trying to out talk the other arguer and come off as appearing smarter. Vaush's main problem is his bias of post modernism, and using moral relativism when it suits his position, and just talking in sophistry. And Destiny's style, communication, even down to body language and rhetoric, which is the parent style for Vaush, is just like this also but he can speak faster than Vaush and articulate himself a bit more. Now the problem with Destiny is that he has 12+ years of debate experience to make fallacies, deflections, and dodges seem very natural, whilst with someone like Vaush in debates it's not that natural.

   I guess at the end of the day, these 2 and other streamers are playing up online personalities, at least with what I can read their mannerisms that's the impression I get.

[Joshe]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

The point of the video isn’t his belief on that issue, it’s how easily he switches moralities depending on what he’s talking about.

I don't have enough context to really comment but some of those clips in the tiktok montage were years apart. He plays with and manipulates ideas for a living. It would be messy. I'm sure he has argued in bad faith and for the sake of argumentation and not always from a moral ground but that's not enough for me to write him off. I haven't had any reads that he's at the core bad faith. I'll check out the Candace Owens thing though.

[Danioover9000]

@Raze

22 minutes ago, Raze said:

If you’re discussing politics full time you should already have basic elementary morality figured out regarding the issues you are talking about. How can you be arguing about Israel for months and still not know where you stand on ethnic cleaning?

Rather than developing a good faith position on it through logical discussion he decides his position in advance and forms his moral arguments around what best defends it. When he is talking to a right winger who wants to deport Mexicans he tells them they’re racists who are asking for something worse than execution, when he wants to defend Israel suddenly it’s ok. It’s not because he’s open minded, it’s because he decided in advance what his position is and has to contort his beliefs to justify them. 

   Yeah I remember the first video Destiny brought up the Israel/Palestine conflict I think it was after the drama and feuding with Mr. Girl was cooling down, and a few debates he had I think with Nick Fuentes or some other conspiracy person, forgot the name but that guy was good, and I think it was after that whole divorce he was having with Melina that Destiny's energy then was like that, I could be wrong in remembering that sequence there. I was shocked that he went quite a bit pro Israel so soon, but I also wasn't because Destiny tends to have that pattern of behavior of saying and claiming shocking things, then looks to Chat, answers some questions at length, then say another shocking thing which then he has to justify and explain, and the cycle repeats here.

[Scholar]

18 minutes ago, Raze said:

The point of the video isn’t his belief on that issue, it’s how easily he switches moralities depending on what he’s talking about.

In a discussion with Candace Owens she accused him of being a contrarian and he slightly smiled then denied it. What he does is he picks a position that goes against the far right or far left, usually left of center mainstream dem, then starts twisting himself to justify it. That’s not a insightful or good faith strategy, it just appears that way because it’s usually easier to defend establishment positions.

Say what you will about Vaush but at least he has something of a moral system he worked out and uses as a lens to view issues and develop arguments based on, as flawed as it can be.

The video is retarded and it takes 5 seconds of thinking to understand why. White nationalists want to preserve the character of the nation because they are delusional racists, while Israeli jewish nationalists seek to preserve the character of the nation because there is a genuine threat that once arabs gain democratic power they would instantly be removed from their nation.

And those are clips that are like years apart. Positions change, even though there is nothing inconsistent about holding these positions.

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, Raze said:

The point of the video isn’t his belief on that issue, it’s how easily he switches moralities depending on what he’s talking about.

In a discussion with Candace Owens she accused him of being a contrarian and he slightly smiled then denied it.

Well, part of being intelligent is being able to see things from multiple perspectives and an appreciation for moral relativity.

But he could also just be playing self-deception games.

Probably both.

Edited July 15, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Joshe]

@Karmadhi Yes, it's real. The politicians don't believe it but the citizens do. lol 

[aurum]

Just now, Joshe said:

@Karmadhi Yes, it's real. The politicians don't believe it but the citizens do. lol 

That's incorrect. Many of the politicians themselves are strongly religious. It's not just an act they play for the masses, although some may do that.

[Joshe]

@aurum True, true. Many of them are indeed religious. It would be funny if they weren't though. lol They might as well not be. 

[Bobby_2021]

22 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-republicans-god-intervention-00168108

Guys is this for real?

Please some American here explain to me, do american POLITICANS really believe in this shit or it is just being used for political support?

If you are in a life and death situation and you escape by inches you would also think that some divine force saved you. 

They genuinely believe that God saved them, and it's fine. You would too if you were in his shoes.

[Danioover9000]

@Joshe

32 minutes ago, Joshe said:

@Raze When Destiny says something like "I don't know if there's anything wrong with ethnic cleansing", and stares at the ceiling, this is a mind that is not afraid to actually question things it's never questioned. If you really want to know why ethnic cleansing is bad, you have to see for yourself and try to poke holes in things to see if they're actually bad or not, rather than just claim they are. He makes an earnest attempt to actually consider the idea. You can see it in his movement and hear in his tonality that he's engaging with the question from a place of genuine curiosity because this is how INTPs operate. They question everything. Nothing is off limits.

You can probably find a clip of him saying "IDK, is pedophilia really bad. What's so bad about it"? And the conformist mind will immediately condemn him for wanting to actually identify what is wrong with it. 

   True, in body language analysis and NLP, looking up in general means you are accessing visual parts of brain to see images or movies in thought. Yes sometimes when thinking in visuals you'd see them look up, not on one spot but their eyes may look to their left(accessing images in memory, for example what was your favorite painting, or colour, or movie scene?) or to their right(constructing an image from parts of other memories, re-imagining a scene for example if I asked what if his hat was pitch black, or what if she was wearing X instead of Y). Now sometimes just looking up with some eye movements in upper left or upper right is not limited to that, for instance people with visualize a lot more will also scan the room, sometimes often, for space and direction, or if say you've taken a witness or suspect to a scene of a crime and ask them to describe the events and where is where, they'd tell you their story but they may point to a location where an object was, or illustrate to another place.

   Not sure about what's in his movement or his tone that makes you feel like he's being earnest? Because in some situations Destiny WILL play up emotional cues and sound like he's earnest or does his hand waving with fingers pointing all over and be talking fast LOL. In fact Destiny doing that there's a good chance he's more performing for the audience. I've seen him in his gaming years, seen that whole Kyle Rittenhouse event where Destiny was as you described very tonal and higher in movement, but the statements he was making were VERY loaded, and felt VERY intentional in farming public outrage to draw in viewers and streamers INTO his framing and INTO an environment that HE CAN control. Destiny is very good at least in this aspect of debating and setting the tone of a talk. He did that with the Rittenhouse event, then there was the event were in I think his fourth or fifth time of getting banned by Twitch over a racial joke and racial slur and that whole drama, then there were a few more dramas. IMO the most red flags you'll get from Destiny, if you pay attention, is his time he was making videos and talking to Mr. Girl, definite red flags in how he handled that whole situation. Then we recently have these clips and videos of him dealing with the Israel/Palestine conflict, then his phase of getting podcast interviews and certain podcasts that boil my brain up, and then this joke about the shooting. Sorry but definitely enough red flags to me to conclude that yes, Destiny is a great debater, but he's still got an immature and somewhat manipulative style of talk to him.

   In fact, he sort of self confessed in one of his videos talking to Dr. K, and even to Mr. Girl.

[gambler]

1 hour ago, Scholar said:

The video is retarded and it takes 5 seconds of thinking to understand why. White nationalists want to preserve the character of the nation because they are delusional racists, while Israeli jewish nationalists seek to preserve the character of the nation because there is a genuine threat that once arabs gain democratic power they would instantly be removed from their nation.

And those are clips that are like years apart. Positions change, even though there is nothing inconsistent about holding these positions.

As opposed to Israelis being granted nationhood and Ben Gurion sending the order to the IDF to “sabotage” Arab villages in order to get them to leave “Jewish land”; all the while finding ways to hush it all up, including massacres? But this is fine because we can use Palestinian Arabs aren’t civilized (tm) card to hide from the fact that we are tribal and just want the land to be Jewish majority for the simple fact that’s “it’s our land”. And you can never disprove that we would’ve otherwise kept them as part of our state and so that’s that for this discussion. Cool. 
 

You guys got your playbook down neatly. Crafty playbook. 
 

The fact of the matter is that Palestinians are kept from being majority (and hence expelled) because the land was given to Jews by the United Nations for Jews. There can never be a majority Arab nation because the land “isn’t theirs”. Don’t gaslight us on that Jewish propaganda that it’s because of a threat. As if when they partitioned the land to the Jews, if the Arabs never made any resistance they would’ve all been part of the state. Don’t insult us with that.  

Lastly, let’s not kid ourselves that Israel doesn’t want so called Judea and Samaria restored as their own land inhabited by its’ people. And to have the Palestinians, as a population, to be practically erased within the state. Why? Because it’s an ethnostate. It all boils down to “our land”, and not to some threat. 

Edited July 15, 2024 by gambler

[Danioover9000]

@Joshe  In fact I did a whole study on Destiny's body language here, among other figures. Check it out, I covered one where in it he was doing lots of manipulations techniques of visuals, presentations, frame controlling, and narrative spinning against one YT, and how he communicated, and vice versa. From the title to the thumbnail, to how they presented, down to their micro expressions, body language, tonality, and word choices.

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

The person shouting in this video is the shooter confirmed.

https://x.com/Alphafox78/status/1812566405063078187