Shots Fired At Trump on Stage, At Rally..

[Danioover9000]

@gambler

32 minutes ago, gambler said:

I thought he was coming at you for that. I don't know anymore. But I stand by what I said.

   Oh he was coming at me for another post. Lemme see, I was just saying to @Yimpa , because he made a post linking us that blog, most of us always be checking Leo's blog so you don't really need to announce it to us right? And that @joshua guy said something, and he I think even posted earlier my take on @zazen's post, which isn't attacking him, I was just asking the question to Zazen and just pointing out that Chris Hegens guy's thoguths, and @joshua gave a more extreme take and I was like man, not all Christians are like that, it's mainly a religious dogma problem mixed with Neoliberalism and being alt right, and @joshua then acted a bit offended and I was OK, you've name called and insulted me, seems you salty, ok Imma drop the debate and take the W. And that was that, and you hit me up with that Destiny post. Yeah he was coming at me but it was for something else...but thanks anyways for responding for me!😁👍

[Yali]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

This video documents the Devil's sick game very well:

 

It still baffles me how anyone with any sense could support this guy.

"He's leading us to the brink of WW3. He's the most corrupt president in American history and it's not even close"

This guy will say ANYTHING to "win".

@Leo Gura Do you think he believes his own bullshit?

Edited July 14, 2024 by Yali

[Yimpa]

@Danioover9000 You’re welcome!

 

[integral]

18 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Electronic jamming.

WAT I thought that was science fiction, but can you have an electric jam running in the background? I think you would have to activate it when you see a threat?

[Danioover9000]

@Joshe

19 minutes ago, Joshe said:

@gambler I don't doubt Destiny has issues. But I can read people pretty well. Destiny is an INTP, like Leo. He has a high IQ. He's an A-type personality. He's definitely got some trauma and suppresses a lot. He fell into streaming and got lucky. His high IQ combined with his A-type personality and thirst for knowledge makes him a good candidate for debate and he discovered that. Thing about INTPs... they are socially awkward. Every single one of them. So when you say to me that a misunderstood INTP is "not normal in the head", it sounds EXACTLY like something my conformist sister would say... no offense. 

It could be that case that he uses laughter as a defense mechanism to protect himself from pain. Do you really know? I don't get the sense that Destiny is a bad character. Of course he chases attention and tries to be edgy. Mix that with social awkwardness and i think it's easy to get the wrong read, especially when he is being arrogant. It just rubs most people the wrong way but it's an emotional bias against him, not logical. From my view, he's got integrity because people without integrity do not do some of the things he does. I don't judge him for being fucked up by society. I think his intentions are good. That said, I don't know everything about him but I've watched his content for the past couple of years on YT.

 

   There's no shot Leo is like Destiny. In fact if you're not aware, if you hate Leo this is the kind of comparison that person would make because if you know what I know of Destiny, then comparing Destiny to any person would be an insult to that person. And while I may have differences to Leo, I respect Leo enough to not compare him to Destiny. Just no.

[mrPixel]

2 minutes ago, Yali said:

It still baffles me how anyone with any sense could support this guy.

"He's leading us to the brink of WW3. He's the most corrupt president in American history and it's not even close"

This guy will say ANYTHING to "win".

@Leo Gura Do you think he believes his own bullshit?

Trump doesn't have the self-awareness to even to reflect on what comes out of his mouth.

Edited July 14, 2024 by mrPixel

[Joshe]

@Danioover9000

Let's let this be the last we engage each other. I prefer more open-minded, good faith engagement. I actually am all for the original high teachings of Christ and all the major religions but you incorrectly assumed I was oblivious to those things and decided to be condescending to me and then others. You've done this at least 3 times today on this thread. Maybe take a break from the body language practice and look into power dynamics. It seems you like to scold others. I'll just go be salty and let you take the W. Let's end it now. No more juvenile argumentation. I won't respond. You got the W.  

[Scholar]

10 minutes ago, integral said:

WAT I thought that was science fiction, but can you have an electric jam running in the background? I think you would have to activate it when you see a threat?

Well you'd have it running the whole time, that's what they use in Ukraine. They are heavy to carry and can compromise your location though, and you have to jam all the signal frequencies.

[Leo Gura]

38 minutes ago, Raze said:

Then why did Obama voters vote for Trump in key swing states?

They were radicalized with culture war issues.

Of course the electorate is large so some people are voting for economic or policy reasons. I was speaking more generally.

35 minutes ago, Yali said:

This guy will say ANYTHING to "win".

@Leo Gura Do you think he believes his own bullshit?

He's a cynical con-artist so he knows he's running a con on his followers. He thinks of his own followers as suckers who will buy anything.

But also he's an egomaniac so he will believe whatever juices up his ego. I'm sure his ego gets juiced up from thinking of himself as savior of America from woke Communists or some such fantasy.

So it's a combination of pure cynical Machiavellianism plus the delusions of grandiose narcissism.

Edited July 14, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

Coming from that gamer culture background Destiny is just immature.

Destiny can make a lot of sense at times, and he is skilled at debate, but at the core of his psyche is still that gamer boy who yells racist slurs while playing multiplayer Halo. That limits Destiny's development. He's kinda stuck in that role. This shows you the problemic influence of toxic gamer culture on young men in general.

Edited July 14, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Scholar]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Coming from that gamer culture background Destiny is just immature.

Destiny can make a lot of sense at times, and he is skilled at debate, but at the core of his psyche is still that gamer boy who yells racist slurs while playing multiplayer Halo. That limits Destiny's development. He kinda stuck in that role.

It's called Nabraska Steve, he comes out every now and then.

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

1 hour ago, Merkabah Star said:

Such vacant eyes.. 

 

   Yeah. He's from Colorado right? I recognized the background photo for I assume his high school? Reason I ask is this reminded me of when I was in middle-high school in the USA, in a Washington school, we did have photos for the year books right? So they had this same grey to dark grey background.

   Looking at his face, I do agree with you his eyes seem vacant, like he's looking far into the distance, eyes that have seen a lot of things in school, some things in the cafeteria or in locker rooms, some things that you really shouldn't have witnessed or experienced. I know a bit of Chinese face reading, so some stuff immediately jump out to me from just looking at his face, but I will withhold because that'll be 10 or so long paragraphs. Few things to note: he has a big chin, and his forehead is a bit wider than his lower half of the head, and that space between his eyebrows, that typically in face reading shows spiritual potential, which jumps out as very high for this person. I will say what a tragedy and waste of life. Shows you what bullying or early childhood trauma or being treated too differently can do to you. I see a bit of me in that picture long ago.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They were radicalized with culture war issues.

Of course the electorate is large so some people are voting for economic or policy reasons. I was speaking more generally.

He's a cynical con-artist so he knows he's running a con on his followers. He thinks of his own followers as suckers who will buy anything.

But also he's an egomaniac so he will believe whatever juices up his ego. I'm sure his ego gets juiced up from thinking of himself as savior of America from woke Communists or some such fantasy.

So it's a combination of pure cynical Machiavellianism plus the delusions of grandiose narcissism.

   True, that's Jordan Peterson. I still think he's got great psychological takes and a good way of communicating in abstracts, but falls off with his political takes. If he had great experiences with the left earlier on, I feel like he could have some decent takes, but he had some bad experiences with some socialists/progressives in the past, some difficulty with the more college elites, which pushed him into the arms of the more right wing and alt right, which he now is making more money from, so here we are, Jordan's kind of now stuck where he's at continuously dealing the shadows of the left and other shadows he has in his ego. Not to mention he's got those health issues and even mental issues he's having. Who knows what else is adding onto his troubles.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Coming from that gamer culture background Destiny is just immature.

Destiny can make a lot of sense at times, and he is skilled at debate, but at the core of his psyche is still that gamer boy who yells racist slurs while playing multiplayer Halo. That limits Destiny's development. He's kinda stuck in that role. This shows you the problemic influence of toxic gamer culture on young men in general.

   That's true.

@Scholar

13 minutes ago, Scholar said:

It's called Nabraska Steve, he comes out every now and then.

   Don't forget he's also from Ohio, and another place I forgot. His parent was Cuban, the other American, and he came from a big family that started off traditional/conservative. Went to college and had skills as a musician, worked odd jobs, ones being at casinos and others cleaning apartments. Destiny was actually lucky that stream and Twitch was a thing and happen around that time, if not he may have been a musician or some lawyer, but that moment online gaming was getting popular.

   And that's according to Destiny and some bits I can remember and saw, but take that with some grains of salt.

Edited July 14, 2024 by Danioover9000

[Joshe]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Destiny can make a lot of sense at times, and he is skilled at debate, but at the core of his psyche is still that gamer boy who yells racist slurs while playing multiplayer Halo. That limits Destiny's development. He kinda stuck in that role.

@Leo Gura😂100% , and his career is tied to that behavior so he's probably in it for the long haul but "makes a lot of sense at times", I don't think gives him enough credit. Think of how much light he's shined on ignorance. He's contributed greatly to the collective epistemology. He might not promote Truth of the same caliber as you but he does promote it, at least an aspect of it, and he's highly effective.  

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Joshe said:

"makes a lot of sense at times", I don't think gives him enough credit. Think of how much light he's shined on ignorance. He's contributed greatly to the collective epistemology. He might not promote Truth of the same caliber as you but he does promote it, at least an aspect of it, and he's highly effective.  

That's why, on the whole, I have no problem with Distiny. He has better core takes than many Progressives who just parrot Marxist dogma. Destiny actually thinks about nuanced factors on both sides. He's not just shilling for one side. So huge points to him for achieving that much epistemic intelligence as a gamer.

Destiny's problems are more in style than substance. He has an immature style.

Edited July 14, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's why, on the whole, I have no problem with Distiny. He has better core takes than many Progressives who just parrot Marxist dogma. Destiny actually thinks about nuanced factors on both sides. He's not just shilling for one side. So huge points to him for achieving that much epistemic intelligence as a gamer.

Destiny's problems are more in style than substance. He has an immature style.

What is your opinion on this clip?

https://www.tiktok.com/@destiny.vs.destiny/video/7386077707018210566?lang=en

[Karmadhi]

So many people have this idea that Trump would not have allowed the war in Ukraine and Israel to happen.

They say his strong leadership will end wars and put peace in the world.

The fact that during his term no wars started (factual) and under Biden tons of shit happened, is the proof they use.

Also Biden horrible mental state does not help.

It gives him a lot of bonus points, he otherwise would not have had.

Edited July 14, 2024 by Karmadhi

[Raze]

54 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They were radicalized with culture war issues.

Of course the electorate is large so some people are voting for economic or policy reasons. I was speaking more generally.

You’re conflating a minority of hardcore trump fans with the much larger group of independents that actually get him elected.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/02/trump-won-where-import-shocks-from-china-and-mexico-were-strongest/

a study found trump did best in counties that lost jobs to globalization 

Edited July 14, 2024 by Raze

[Joshe]

@Raze When Destiny says something like "I don't know if there's anything wrong with ethnic cleansing", and stares at the ceiling, this is a mind that is not afraid to actually question things it's never questioned. If you really want to know why ethnic cleansing is bad, you have to see for yourself and try to poke holes in things to see if they're actually bad or not, rather than just claim they are. He makes an earnest attempt to actually consider the idea. You can see it in his movement and hear in his tonality that he's engaging with the question from a place of genuine curiosity because this is how INTPs operate. They question everything. Nothing is off limits.

You can probably find a clip of him saying "IDK, is pedophilia really bad. What's so bad about it"? And the conformist mind will immediately condemn him for wanting to actually identify what is wrong with it. 

Edited July 15, 2024 by Joshe