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[Ishanga]

8 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Prove empirically that anything exists outside of your conscious experience. See how it goes .

All this means is that Subjectivity is all that really exists, as all Your Experience and non experience if there is such a phenomenon, happens only within You.. But that does not mean no one or anything else does not exist, I can only say I experience "Others" to exist, that is all the proof I need.. 

Prove Your own existence try it, it won't work, anything  You say is just a story to me, and visa versa, but I know that You are not in Experience of what I am Experiencing and the same goes for Me towards You.. There is so much going on in this world on Just a Human level, never mind everything else in nature and animal, insect life, that too think only "I" exist and that everything else is made up imagination is what I call Spiritual Narcissism, in other words You are going in the wrong direction to experience or think such things...  

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

All this means is that Subjectivity is all that really exists, as all Your Experience and non experience if there is such a phenomenon, happens only within You.. But that does not mean no one or anything else does not exist, I can only say I experience "Others" to exist, that is all the proof I need.. 

Prove Your own existence try it, it won't work, anything  You say is just a story to me, and visa versa, but I know that You are not in Experience of what I am Experiencing and the same goes for Me towards You.. There is so much going on in this world on Just a Human level, never mind everything else in nature and animal, insect life, that too think only "I" exist and that everything else is made up imagination is what I call Spiritual Narcissism, in other words You are going in the wrong direction to experience or think such things...  

Your subjective experience of the world right now is the only thing you know for sure ..agree or not ?  I'm talking about epistemological solipsism not metaphysical solipsism..so I said the only thing you can be "sure" about..so I'm coming down to you and leaving room for something existing outside of your conscious experience..but upon inspection..is there such thing really?

I mean look at it really ..wide your gaze and look around you ..this stuff that you perceive is obviously being experienced by you ..its happening within awareness..within your awareness. 

Close your eyes ..everything disappeared. Open them  again ..they  reapear .etc 

Go to sleep..the  whole universe goes poof and collapse as if it never even existed for at least 8 hours (but from your POV it was a blink of an eye .)

I mean how the hell am I wrong here ?

You dream every single night ..you experience a fantastic array of various colorful dreams similar if not identical to the waking state ...yet once you wake up everything in the dream is revealed to be a creation of your own mind/awareness/subconscious mind etc or however the fuck you wanna think about it .

[Hojo]

@Schizophonia It is the void of nothing. The void of nothing can be observed. It is located where you think your head is so look behind you without turning your head and spin in a circle looking behind you constantly. This is a first person simulation so whatever behind you is always a void of nothing. There is a hidden dimension that leads to the void where this black spot is in your vision. Reality exists on essentially a 2d plane and when you see that the void behind your head is a hidden dimension of reality its hid from itself. When we turn our heads we arent turning our heads the simulation is simulating turning your head turning. This is how it can exist in 2d and 3d is just a mind game 2d plays with itself. so 4d would be the void you see where your head is and its a dimension of reality.

Edited July 14 by Hojo

[Ishanga]

20 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Your subjective experience of the world right now is the only thing you know for sure ..agree or not ?  I'm talking about epistemological solipsism not metaphysical solipsism..so I said the only thing you can be "sure" about..so I'm coming down to you and leaving room for something existing outside of your conscious experience..but upon inspection..is there such thing really?

I mean look at it really ..wide your gaze and look around you ..this stuff that you perceive is obviously being experienced by you ..its happening within awareness..within your awareness. 

Close your eyes ..everything disappeared. Open them  again ..they  reapear .etc 

Go to sleep..the  whole universe goes poof and collapse as if it never even existed for at least 8 hours (but from your POV it was a blink of an eye .)

I mean how the hell am I wrong here ?

You dream every single night ..you experience a fantastic array of various colorful dreams similar if not identical to the waking state ...yet once you wake up everything in the dream is revealed to be a creation of your own mind/awareness/subconscious mind etc or however the fuck you wanna think about it .

I agree with most of what You said, but I/We also have the ability to perceive what is outside of Us, yes it is not a Complete Perception, we are missing many things in our normal 5 perception capacity, if we were to perceive everything, we wouldn't be good at Surviving another moment, we would be too engrossed in what we were perceiving to be concerned about food or shelter or our safety, so nature has lowered it, but we can still perceive that there is LIfe outside our own bodies and mind scapes, we've all experienced it.. When I leave a building or go to sleep, the world is still existing outside of my own individual awareness..

We are Embodied aspect of Life, we are connected to Life and in fundamental essence we are Life itself (Life is not situational, it is the very force/intelligence that allows all existence and creation to happen, and non existence as well), but in this Embodied form we have the ability to have an Individual Experience of it, so we are like drops in the ocean, Enlightenment or Moskha is about putting that drop back into the Ocean, losing Individuality and merging with Absolute/Oneness...

[Hojo]

the human body mimic reality like a computer. We made computers based on our direct experience so we essentially created our own brain in a robot way. We can look at a computer to see how we are built because our bodies are computers. You can witness truth by pretending you are in a simulation and looking at your body and direct experience like its a simulation. This is the power of ego we subconsciously made something that shows us we are in a simulation because its what we subconsciously have direct experience with.

Edited July 14 by Hojo

[Schizophonia]

On 7/13/2024 at 11:36 PM, Schizophonia said:

The virgin has won the topic, i won the girl with long legs 🤫

Too bad his cakes are elementary school plastic art but you can't be perfect.

her*

mea culpa

On 7/14/2024 at 4:07 PM, Someone here said:

Prove empirically that anything exists outside of your conscious experience. See how it goes .

Indeed i can't for now.

Edited July 15 by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

On 7/14/2024 at 4:51 PM, Ishanga said:

Enlightenment or Moskha is about putting that drop back into the Ocean, losing Individuality and merging with Absolute/Oneness...

There is no experience and therefore love in oneness.

[Breakingthewall]

On 14/7/2024 at 4:26 PM, Someone here said:

Your subjective experience of the world right now is the only thing you know for sure ..agree or not ?  I'm talking about epistemological solipsism not metaphysical solipsism..so I said the only thing you can be "sure" about..so I'm coming down to you and leaving room for something existing outside of your conscious experience..but upon inspection..is there such thing really?

I mean look at it really ..wide your gaze and look around you ..this stuff that you perceive is obviously being experienced by you ..its happening within awareness..within your awareness. 

Close your eyes ..everything disappeared. Open them  again ..they  reapear .etc 

Go to sleep..the  whole universe goes poof and collapse as if it never even existed for at least 8 hours (but from your POV it was a blink of an eye .)

I mean how the hell am I wrong here ?

You dream every single night ..you experience a fantastic array of various colorful dreams similar if not identical to the waking state ...yet once you wake up everything in the dream is revealed to be a creation of your own mind/awareness/subconscious mind etc or however the fuck you wanna think about it .

 

It is possible to refute that in a logical way.

First, the fact that you are having an experience and perceiving things implies that you are perceiving part of reality, not all of reality, since if it were all, there would be no things or experience, because everything by definition implies all the potential possibilities, which are all. So you would perceive all possible potentiality simultaneously, which means that you would not perceive anything concrete, but you are perceiving something concrete, which implies that there are things that you are not perceiving, that are hidden to you. 

Second, If you are perceiving a concrete part of the possible potentiality, we could say that you are being constituted by that part of the flow of existence that you perceive. In fact you are your perception, if you wouldn't not perceive, you wouldn't be

Third, all that missing part of possible potentiality that is being hidden from you, where is it? never existed or will exist? This is impossible since it potentially exists, this is equivalent to saying part of it, or all of it, existed at some point or will exist, and since you can see that this present moment that you are has no limits, simply opening your eyes, your mind and perceiving it, the conclusion is inevitable that right now there is part of the possible potentiality that is hidden from you but exists. therefore "another" is perceiving it, or rather the perception is creating another.

Let's say that the now, this limitless moment has many layers of potential perception hidden from you, and each one is creating a perceiver by the fact that exist perception.

[Javfly33]

On 14/07/2024 at 4:26 PM, Someone here said:

Your subjective experience of the world right now is the only thing you know for sure ..agree or not ?  I'm talking about epistemological solipsism not metaphysical solipsism..so I said the only thing you can be "sure" about..so I'm coming down to you and leaving room for something existing outside of your conscious experience..but upon inspection..is there such thing really?

Why you assume what you have is a 'Subjective experience'?

@Someone here Where you are in right now is the whole of reality, stop thinking that other realities exist.

This is the only one. Where you are right now, is ALL that exists. And no, I´m not imaginary, I exist, but exist in your present moment. I am not somewhere else. I am inside you LOL

 

Truly the trick is really grasping that this present moment is truly infinite, it has no borders, it extends infinitely. If you get this, all beings, humans, creations, realms, and whatever you can imagine, is held Here.

Edited July 15 by Javfly33