Jordan and Tommy Robinson podcast.

[Danioover9000]

   Watching this, and so far to me it's been interesting, tempted to do another body language analysis on this guy. Considering Jordan's biases both politically and in other factors, my starting assumption was this Robinson guy was another right winger, possibly far right considering what had happened to him:

   I don't know, but what are your thoughts and feelings about this guy and the situation he was describing? Was he being disingenuous or was some of his experiences closer to truth?

[Danioover9000]

   Ok, so so far, after 30 minutes, this Tommy Robinson guy's got an interesting communication style. General body language here is fast paced speech similar to Destiny, good face expressions although it's mostly a bit blank but moments of micro expressions here and there of agitation and worry. Great expressive hands and gestures. Few moments with the hands and illustrators of that hands up, proclaiming he's telling the truth, other moments where he did quick hands up. Basically the Hands up is just like when you're confronted by a police officer, guy commands you to put your hands up, you put your hands up and clearly state you have no weapons, no reason to shot yeah? So putting hands up and palms facing to the listeners or even to the person being aggressive towards you, that's a pacifier, that's a gesture to communicate 'I'm not a threat, I'm supplicative to you, I'll do what you want just hear me out please!'. I could be a bit off with that gesture but that's the feeling. Overall arm, shoulders, eyes darting, even the 'nervous' fidgeting on his right foot.

   Now, to analyze his verbals and tonality, how he was speaking, this part gave me more difficulty because it felt like he's rushing his story telling! I'm going to be frank, I felt a 50/50 that he was lying simply from him just rushing his story, and jumping from one event to another event, to giving a brief description of character of another person, then he reframes the story to tell a different time line, and then that changed a bit meanwhile speaking like he's so nervous and agitated...Like I'm like dude! You're telling your truth and what happened, please slow down and be more consistent!😄Like I want to believe him but that speech pattern with him is making me feel like he doesn't want to linger or something. Now Here I will be less harsh because apparently he's been through the ringer with the UK gov, all those legal issues, all those harassments, maybe that's why he's rushing like that with nervous energy. IDK what are you thought here? Do you feel similar to what I felt whilst he was talking?

[Danioover9000]

   Another gripe I have with Jordan and his podcast, are just the ad placements. At first they seem alright, no alarm here, but the way the ads are placed is as if it's in place to a censor bar or something like that. At least with other podcasts when they do run ads(understandable as they need a bit of extra revenue)what most podcasts do is clearly transition into an ad break. What really annoys me with how Jordan does the ad breaks is it cuts off the speaker and blurs about 50%, but I can still see the speaker talking, zero audio, still make out gestures...annoying as hell! IDK it just communicates to me he's censoring key information just because of the placement of the ads that gives it that feel.

[Danioover9000]

   OMG that long winded question by Jordan was cringe! After Tommy was done telling his story about how he had to, because of 2 tier policing according to him, he and the lads had to wear masks and even he had to make this Tommy Robinson as a fake name to hide his identity because the Islamic gang in that Lutein area was breaking his windows, making threats to his family, and all sorts of intimidation and threats, and then Jorden interrupts him and interjects, actually interjected several times in this episode, about why he had to hide his identity, why fake his name, then go on some long winded sophistry about the bible and the consequences.

   Jordan's shortened question here, simplified by me: why did you want anonymity and changed name? Tommy's answer, briefly: Because of threats, safety issues, and we wanted to go to that townhall to show support to soldiers of Lutein and avoid arrests and identifications.(I assume this short answer). That's it! I simplified his long winded question into a very short one, which only needed a short one. Like come on! I especially liked Tommy's 'No? What's that?' At around 57:30 minutes to Jordan asks if he knows the parable of the rich man, and Tommy does the 'No? What's that?'. I can't, it's so funny! Clearly he's here to tell his story, he ain't got no interest in Jordan's bible stories!🤣😂😭 

[Danioover9000]

   I forgot to mention the opening, the framing of this podcast. IMO it felt suspicious when Jordan's saying that his wife basically wanted to interview Tommy Robinson more so than he I felt was strange.

   Finished the podcast, and my impressions so far, it's a good episode worth deconstructing and analyzing. Tommy IMO has probably far right but by necessity due to the circumstances in his story of him fighting the gangs/criminals in the Pakistani communities. I also am a bit shocked that the mainstream media then did all that to him, and how the policing sucked and they didn't go after those gangs in their communities. Not only did the police let down the British public then and maybe now, but they let down most of the immigrants trying to live normally, and their inaction and pussyfooting around those gangs is enabling the gangs to rule hidden within their communities.

[enchanted]

Yes immigration has plenty of downsides, (namely lower stage consciousness, and aggressive religious/cultural devotion) but the world needs to unite somehow immigration might just be part of that. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

@Danioover9000 wow, you are really gifted in this thing of analitics of body and verbal language. Do you can use it like a profession. Or make analizis videos on youtube with pauses to speak, repeats of behaviors and so on. If people learn better to read underneath the fakery it is a good help to society

[Consept]

Tommy Robinson essentially started out as a thug, went to prison for assaulting a police officer and then joined a far right political party. At the core he is anti-muslim and wants Britain to be for white anglo saxon people only, this is his purpose and what drives him. The first party he joined BNP had this as their key pledge in their manifesto - "At current immigration and birth rates, indigenous British people are set to become a minority well within 50 years. This will result in the extinction of the British people, culture, heritage and identity."

So this is the fear that the far right has and this is what Robinson is fighting for. The issue with muslim rape gangs is not one to be dismissed so its not that hes wrong about it but to use that as the main point against immigration is extremely reductive and it plays on the fears of white british citizen. He uses this point to make a overall point about muslims taking over the uk. The police should crackdown on rape gangs part of the reason they dont is because of the persecution muslims have got from the far right especially since 9/11, makes them reluctant to come across as persecuting them further. But reducing an extremely varied group of people to their absolute worst minority is extremely disingenuous. It would be the same as taking the statistic that most pedophiles are older white men and saying all white people are bad and we should be scared of them because of it. 

Hes also funded by the pro-Israel far right orgs, this is because they realise that people listen to him and because of his anti-islam stance it aids their goals without them having to get directly involved. This happens with a lot of big internet mouth pieces, where they get funded to further their causes. 

If we break it down his main goal is to keep Britain white, the main threat to him is Muslims coming into the country, he is very smart and knows how to reach people emotionally and stoke up fear and hatred within them. What he tries to do is come across reasonable so that he can reach moderate people as if he said everything unfiltered the general population wont engage, which is basically the case now, although he has got some moderates on board. 

What could be interesting is that a lot of red pill, right guys are now muslim, however traditional far right is dead against islam, so im not sure how thats going to pan out but we will see. 

(btw i do understand that the trauma he experienced when he was young does explain a lot of this, he has a lot of hate within him)

Edited July 11 by Consept

[Danioover9000]

@Consept

3 minutes ago, Consept said:

Tommy Robinson essentially started out as a thug, went to prison for assaulting a police officer and then joined a far right political party. At the core he is anti-muslim and wants Britain to be for white anglo saxon people only, this is his purpose and what drives him. The first party he joined BNP had this as their key pledge in their manifesto - "At current immigration and birth rates, indigenous British people are set to become a minority well within 50 years. This will result in the extinction of the British people, culture, heritage and identity."

So this is the fear that the far right has and this is what Robinson is fighting for. The issue with muslim rape gangs is not one to be dismissed so its not that hes wrong about it but to use that as the main point against immigration is extremely reductive and it plays on the fears of white british citizen. He uses this point to make a overall point about muslims taking over the uk. The police should crackdown on rape gangs part of the reason they dont is because of the persecution muslims have got from the far right especially since 9/11, makes them reluctant to come across as persecuting them further. But reducing an extremely varied group of people to their absolute worst minority is extremely disingenuous. It would be the same as taking the statistic that most pedophiles are older white men and saying all white people are bad and we should be scared of them because of it. 

Hes also funded by the pro-Israel far right orgs, this is because they realise that people listen to him and because of his anti-islam stance it aids their goals without them having to get directly involved. This happens with a lot of big internet mouth pieces, where they get funded to further their causes. 

If we break it down his main goal is to keep Britain white, the main threat to him is Muslims coming into the country, he is very smart and knows how to reach people emotionally and stoke up fear and hatred within them. What he tries to do is come across reasonable so that he can reach moderate people as if he said everything unfiltered the general population wont engage, which is basically the case now, although he has got some moderates on board. 

What could be interesting is that a lot of red pill, right guys are now muslim, however traditional far right is dead against islam, so im not sure how thats going to pan out but we will see. 

   Thanks for the context, this does explain some of his communication style I was picking up, and my uneasiness about him. He's basically a reincarnation of a Nazi German and ultra far right? Got it, makes sense he's in Jordan's podcast, also the guy who was too hesitant claiming and defining Nazis as ultra far right. Bunch of cowards.

   Also interesting video, and I find the guy's logically decent:

   Except one big problem with his explanation: the reasoning why Adolf Hitler claimed he and his party were socialists. They claimed such because they wanted to market and differentiate themselves from traditionalist Germans that failed during WW1. It's basically political deceptive marketing. That's why he claimed them as a nationalist socialist party. Also he's got good points addressing the shrinking markets here.

[Consept]

14 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Thanks for the context, this does explain some of his communication style I was picking up, and my uneasiness about him. He's basically a reincarnation of a Nazi German and ultra far right? Got it, makes sense he's in Jordan's podcast, also the guy who was too hesitant claiming and defining Nazis as ultra far right. Bunch of cowards.

Its interesting you picked up on the deceptiveness, he does basically have Nazi ideology, the party i mentioned BNP believe the whites are superior, dont believe in race mixing etc. The claim that he really just cares about the kids is nonsense, because if that was the case why just focus specifically on it happening in the muslim community, it happens more generally so why not focus on all child abuse? 

The senior member of his EDL party is currently doing 17 years for grooming and sleeping with a 10 year old but Robinson doesnt come out and condenm them - https://politicsandinsights.org/2018/05/29/the-edl-have-paedophiles-in-their-ranks-but-tommy-robinson-evidently-doesnt-condemn-them/ There have been other instances of members in his party getting in trouble for these types of crimes as well. 

So when you consider that, is he someone against child abuse at any cost or is he someone against muslims at any cost?

I do find it fascinating the idea of trying to come across reasonable whilst simultaneously inserting your rhetoric in. This is what you talked about with the submissive hand gestures, hes trying to get across that hes the innocent and always being attacked, whereas if it came down to it he would be the one leading a civil war attack against muslims.  

[Rafael Thundercat]

A Brit Message. Leaving UK because dont fit his Potential

 

[Danioover9000]

@Consept

3 hours ago, Consept said:

Its interesting you picked up on the deceptiveness, he does basically have Nazi ideology, the party i mentioned BNP believe the whites are superior, dont believe in race mixing etc. The claim that he really just cares about the kids is nonsense, because if that was the case why just focus specifically on it happening in the muslim community, it happens more generally so why not focus on all child abuse? 

The senior member of his EDL party is currently doing 17 years for grooming and sleeping with a 10 year old but Robinson doesnt come out and condenm them - https://politicsandinsights.org/2018/05/29/the-edl-have-paedophiles-in-their-ranks-but-tommy-robinson-evidently-doesnt-condemn-them/ There have been other instances of members in his party getting in trouble for these types of crimes as well. 

So when you consider that, is he someone against child abuse at any cost or is he someone against muslims at any cost?

I do find it fascinating the idea of trying to come across reasonable whilst simultaneously inserting your rhetoric in. This is what you talked about with the submissive hand gestures, hes trying to get across that hes the innocent and always being attacked, whereas if it came down to it he would be the one leading a civil war attack against muslims.  

   Wow, all that you have provided is giving me more context. I had no idea who Tommy Robinson was or what he did, and when I was watching that Jordan podcast all I had was just the body language analysis, tonality and word choices he used. Thanks for sharing more background information as it's making more sense why he communicated the way he did and confirming my prior suspicions. Tommy Robinson is basically a Nazi/Fascist/racist hiding behind words and values, signaling he cares for the British when in fact he's just as racist and delusional as Adolf Hitler. Jesus my respect for Jordan Peterson is going more and more less.

   Not to do a false equivalency or false conflation, but this reminded me of Khabib, and him immediately condmening the terrorist attacks in Russia, and condemning this guy who was an ex member of his gym about 5 years or so ago. While I somewhat dislike Khabib, I respect him and he does have great integrity to immediately condemn the person and the attack, doesn't matter why he fled because it's Russia so. This guy, Tommy Robinson, who remained silent and didn't condemn that other dude, yeah he a coward and shill IMO, fake caring for Britain when he a real Nazi! Hahaha, all that talk of him getting scared to reveal his identity then, of him using this Tommy Robinson, it all is making sense!😂 Ok I have to calm down, gonna do another rant, risk another warning or ban. Maybe all this is justified or one explanation is because he was only eating heavy metal tuna and went crazy in that isolation cell...Imma stop there.🤣

[Danioover9000]

   

   Immediately the first few minutes, video presentation, Nigel's got the union jack behind him, although his party UKIP should technically be having the white and red cross flag, my suspicion was him choosing the union jack is related to then the election, and him trying to hide his UKIP energy and try to market himself as for all England, Whales, even trying to unite the Scots and Irish together. Like it's not about GB but and UK, the united kingdom, not Great Britain but united kingdom. Jordan's setting and presentation in video is calm, Feng Shu type of room.

   First few minutes, body language of Nigel Farage, has some moments of micro expressions of contempt or feeling intellectual/moral superiority with his left cheek, and sometimes a half mouth compression. Also note that how he emphasizes is with both head movement and his he's head 'jutting' forwards slightly downwards, and his tonality 'punches' on his word values and virtue signaling of the right wing. I also picked on when he refers to the globalists or other wordings his body literally tenses up, like he's literally shudders, which is subtle but he definitely believes in what he's saying and in his view and belief system he truly thinks and feels like those global elites are the real enemy and danger of the UK. Also generally good body language and communication, noted he does small eyebrow flashes(eyebrow flashes mean the following in a ratio, emphasizing, feeling surprised, or signaling social seeking or social connection, seeking to get some micro reaction in the recipient's facials as well). Also the first few minutes, between 2:00 to 4:00, when he was listing attributes and listing with word values, I also noticed that his head progressively was looking left and more left, like he himself doesn't like the things he listed.

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat

7 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

@Danioover9000 wow, you are really gifted in this thing of analitics of body and verbal language. Do you can use it like a profession. Or make analizis videos on youtube with pauses to speak, repeats of behaviors and so on. If people learn better to read underneath the fakery it is a good help to society

   Yeah, I read and study people's expressions and body language because long time ago I didn't understand people.

   I don't know if this is sarcasm or genuine compliment, but thanks anyways!😊

[Consept]

2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

Immediately the first few minutes, video presentation, Nigel's got the union jack behind him, although his party UKIP should technically be having the white and red cross flag, my suspicion was him choosing the union jack is related to then the election, and him trying to hide his UKIP energy and try to market himself as for all England, Whales, even trying to unite the Scots and Irish together.

Yeah good analysis, hes basically a more evolved version of Robinson in that he can appeal to moderates more and he doesnt have as checkered a past as Robinson. His communication is a lot better and his anger is either better hidden or just less than Robinsons. He doesnt care about the other nations in the UK, most English politicians dont which is why there was such a big rise of the SNP and the devolution of Wales and Scotland. 

I agree with your analysis in terms of him feeling a sense of superiority and being 'right'. I havent watched the video but i assume Peterson soft balled him. Its interesting but not surprising that Peterson is giving a platform to these characters. Petersons understanding of British politics is severely lacking, he went on Question Time last year and was completely ill informed about everything. I dont know why we think that if someone is good in one field he must be wise in all fields. He is an accomplished psychologist but his views on politics are not necessarily better than the next man, however hes positioned as if it is. 

Anyway back to Farage, Id be interested in your analysis in this interview where hes put under a bit of pressure - 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Rafael Thundercat

   Yeah, I read and study people's expressions and body language because long time ago I didn't understand people.

   I don't know if this is sarcasm or genuine compliment, but thanks anyways!😊

Well is a compliment, maybe in writing is more difficult to catch is some expression was honest or not. But yeah, this was honest. I know sometimes I was critical to you but with time people undestand that we all have our days.

[zazen]

21 hours ago, Consept said:

So this is the fear that the far right has and this is what Robinson is fighting for. The issue with muslim rape gangs is not one to be dismissed so its not that hes wrong about it but to use that as the main point against immigration is extremely reductive and it plays on the fears of white british citizen. He uses this point to make a overall point about muslims taking over the uk. The police should crackdown on rape gangs part of the reason they dont is because of the persecution muslims have got from the far right especially since 9/11, makes them reluctant to come across as persecuting them further. But reducing an extremely varied group of people to their absolute worst minority is extremely disingenuous. It would be the same as taking the statistic that most pedophiles are older white men and saying all white people are bad and we should be scared of them because of it. 

Hes also funded by the pro-Israel far right orgs, this is because they realise that people listen to him and because of his anti-islam stance it aids their goals without them having to get directly involved. This happens with a lot of big internet mouth pieces, where they get funded to further their causes. 

Spot on with everything else you also wrote. The thing is the concerns are valid and there are issues with extremist Islamic ideology which is why his message resonates - but then it's expressed in such inflammatory, reductive and divisive ways that conflates a whole lot with a whole lot of people. A lot of societies ills are then pinned on certain groups when theres so much more to it.

For example, stage orange industrialisation and 'progress' causes the side effects of rapid urbanisation, which brings about atomisation, income inequalities, liberal attitudes towards dating, education and careerism pushing family formation till much later and declining birth rates. A lower birth rate resulting in labor shortage and a lower tax base off of which pensioners and the elderly are going to live off incentives immigration just by the economics alone. They're throwing bodies at the problem which are like economic tokens of promised growth and funding of liabilities the same way Russia throws bodies at Ukraine.

Not mentioning the dark money behind migrant crossings as a business, theres also the prison-labor-industrial complex. If the state can subsidise the living of migrants (housing and food), they're legally allowed to pay prisoners slave wages. Mass immigration and public/private partnership prisons re-inforce each other by enriching oligarchic private interest at the expense of the public. So their are elites who also exacerbate and benefit off this, which the publics anger then gets targeted towards groups and away from them. Like Tommy also mentioned, the police and enforcement were also in on the gig and didn't want it investigated, hence the double standard policing and him being persecuted more vigorously. 

Regarding Pakistanis - employers invited Pakistanis to fill labour shortages which arose in Britain after the Second World War. From Mirpur in particular, which is very poor with little development. They make up most of the UK Pakistani's which isn't representative of most Pakistani's. For example, US Pakistanis overall are much more educated and wealthier earning more on par with or above the average income. If you bring in cheap labor from less developed places who become ghettoized and remain impoverished, of course crime is going to increase. When people are marginalised, they radicalise and tribalise to survive. It's interesting how the side effects of stage orange caused stage blue population enclaves to proliferate. Spiral dynamics keeps spiralling.

That said, Tommy has has bad experiences with not the best of them, which explains his anger and warped perception. Reform and Nigel Farage don't seem as racist in any way, and a lot of what they say can make sense and is different to the status quo - in fact Zia Yusuf, a British Pakistani entrepreneur heavily funded their campaign and is now Reform Chairman to replaced Tice. His interview on GB news is interesting also. It just so happens that these parties which speak to the people, tend to also get racist and bigoted people latching on for the ride, which the party then gets associated with.

 

Edited July 12 by zazen

[zazen]

11 hours ago, Consept said:

Its interesting but not surprising that Peterson is giving a platform to these characters.

 

14 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

Jesus my respect for Jordan Peterson is going more and more less.

Peterson is having a public image meltdown on twitter. Nick fuentes and Candace Owens having it off with Jordan and Mikhaila - who called for censorship against anti-semitism (but then what is anti-semitism?). Suddenly these free speech crusaders bend to Israel which is what their own followers point out to when they ask - why not put America first, why Israel?

What Peterson and Tommy have in common is their Zionists with Zio money backing who can't handle criticism of the Israeli state and lack the the 'intellect' to discern between Jewish people and a states unjust actions.

Just look at the comments:

https://x.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1811564584651641333

https://x.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1811432275516735745

Peterson is crumbling his reputation for Israel just like how US is on the global stage.

Edited July 12 by zazen

[Danioover9000]

@zazen

4 hours ago, zazen said:

 

Peterson is having a public image meltdown on twitter. Nick fuentes and Candace Owens having it off with Jordan and Mikhaila - who called for censorship against anti-semitism (but then what is anti-semitism?). Suddenly these free speech crusaders bend to Israel which is what their own followers point out to when they ask - why not put America first, why Israel?

What Peterson and Tommy have in common is their Zionists with Zio money backing who can't handle criticism of the Israeli state and lack the the 'intellect' to discern between Jewish people and a states unjust actions.

Just look at the comments:

https://x.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1811564584651641333

https://x.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1811432275516735745

Peterson is crumbling his reputation for Israel just like how US is on the global stage.

   He is another example of being a victim of the machine we call social media and the internet, these Tik Toks, Twitter or X or might as well call the new Nazi net. They are proof that too much social media is bad for you, and Daniel Schmachtenberger was right when he said these machines are designed to hijack your limbic system and make social media more addictive, and a few others share those points.

   Also all of this shows how untenable free speech absolutism is. You really can't have it both ways, and most of them are crazy and even some legit have mental disorders in thinking they can have the whole cake and eat it too.

[Danioover9000]

@zazen

5 hours ago, zazen said:

Spot on with everything else you also wrote. The thing is the concerns are valid and there are issues with extremist Islamic ideology which is why his message resonates - but then it's expressed in such inflammatory, reductive and divisive ways that conflates a whole lot with a whole lot of people. A lot of societies ills are then pinned on certain groups when theres so much more to it.

For example, stage orange industrialisation and 'progress' causes the side effects of rapid urbanisation, which brings about atomisation, income inequalities, liberal attitudes towards dating, education and careerism pushing family formation till much later and declining birth rates. A lower birth rate resulting in labor shortage and a lower tax base off of which pensioners and the elderly are going to live off incentives immigration just by the economics alone. They're throwing bodies at the problem which are like economic tokens of promised growth and funding of liabilities the same way Russia throws bodies at Ukraine.

Not mentioning the dark money behind migrant crossings as a business, theres also the prison-labor-industrial complex. If the state can subsidise the living of migrants (housing and food), they're legally allowed to pay prisoners slave wages. Mass immigration and public/private partnership prisons re-inforce each other by enriching oligarchic private interest at the expense of the public. So their are elites who also exacerbate and benefit off this, which the publics anger then gets targeted towards groups and away from them. Like Tommy also mentioned, the police and enforcement were also in on the gig and didn't want it investigated, hence the double standard policing and him being persecuted more vigorously. 

Regarding Pakistanis - employers invited Pakistanis to fill labour shortages which arose in Britain after the Second World War. From Mirpur in particular, which is very poor with little development. They make up most of the UK Pakistani's which isn't representative of most Pakistani's. For example, US Pakistanis overall are much more educated and wealthier earning more on par with or above the average income. If you bring in cheap labor from less developed places who become ghettoized and remain impoverished, of course crime is going to increase. When people are marginalised, they radicalise and tribalise to survive. It's interesting how the side effects of stage orange caused stage blue population enclaves to proliferate. Spiral dynamics keeps spiralling.

That said, Tommy has has bad experiences with not the best of them, which explains his anger and warped perception. Reform and Nigel Farage don't seem as racist in any way, and a lot of what they say can make sense and is different to the status quo - in fact Zia Yusuf, a British Pakistani entrepreneur heavily funded their campaign and is now Reform Chairman to replaced Tice. His interview on GB news is interesting also. It just so happens that these parties which speak to the people, tend to also get racist and bigoted people latching on for the ride, which the party then gets associated with.

 

   Great post! It's sad to say it but almost anything Pro Israel funded is just bad and evil. Maybe there are a few charities or a few good places funded by them, but most funded end up getting corrupted.