Does societies centre of gravity really pulls you up?

[creativepursuit]

I have been thinking about this for a while.

If society has a pull-up effect, then how come people who migrate from the Middle East and Africa to European countries don't end up integrating into the culture even after many years?

One example could be the Gypsies in Europe who migrated from India perhaps 1000 years ago and still, to this date, have not been integrated despite all the efforts from the government.

What could be the solution to this problem?

 

 

[Carl-Richard]

If you grow up in a certain society/culture, you will tend to be pulled up to that level. If you're already an adult when arriving or if you're culturally segregated, it's less likely to happen.

Edited July 9 by Carl-Richard

[UnbornTao]

Like fish in water. People who travel a lot may notice how culture is invented and that it is something humans have come up with. Certain aspects of it may be useful and intelligent, others might not, but no culture is true. Even tacitly, we tend to generally hold our own culture as the "right" one. 

Both subtle and gross feelings of threat to one's identity and view of the world may be felt when encountering a group of people from a radically different culture than ours. Consider how a cannibal amazonian tribe thinks, behaves, communicates, and sees the world. This creates a contrast to our own worldview that helps reveal our taken for granted "realities."

Edited July 10 by UnbornTao

[Bobby_2021]

Integration is not easy at all. You need a certain level of development to be integrated in the first place. 

People who are too dogmatic in their own ways will refuse to get integrated no matter how easy you make it to. 

Moreover the "developed" societies are not developed enough to facilitate integration of other cultures. You need to be at least stage yellow to integrate other societies lower down the spiral. Also, migrating in mass numbers is also going to make it difficult for integration. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

Even in the same contry. If you get someone from California, imagine a Hippie New Ager, and put him in Salt Lake City he will have hard time integrating and living there. Imagine a Very Sexually free woman inside an Arab repressive place. Would be hell. 

Of course the place you put ourself in affects you. There is a sort of psychic field where the collective energy affects each otther. So you feel like a fish out of water or a sweet water fish in a ocean.

A unfitt or Misfit

[Davino]

The answer is ironic.

Because the indoctrination the first culture did on the virgin psyche is so strong that the pull of the second culture is not strong enough to uproot it.

[creativepursuit]

10 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

You need to be at least stage yellow to integrate other societies lower down the spiral.

Let's imagine a systems thinker trying to solve this problem.

The first challenge is, how do you make sure that only healthy parts of a spiral are exchanged between the two groups (say, between blue and green)?

In order to do so, you need a group of people (a think tank from each stage of the spiral) who exhibit only the healthy part of the spiral and discard the limitations of that spiral.

But again, on a fundamental level, both blue and green think from a collective perspective. Blue's definition of collective is ethnocentric, and Green's definition of collective is slightly closer to world-centric.

How does Green help Blue increase their circle of concern?

 

[Bobby_2021]

45 minutes ago, creativepursuit said:

The first challenge is, how do you make sure that only healthy parts of a spiral are exchanged between the two groups (say, between blue and green)?

You can't take a random glob of people and expect them to grow up the spiral with some sort of schemes you come up with.

Allow only people who are willing to move upward spiral, come to your country. These people will integrate on their own. Select for people who are hardworking and would ace cognitive tests. Poor cognition is a good indicator of their unwillingness to move up the spirit. So let them be.