Stage Green Demonization

[LordFall]

I hope you guys forgive me for using this forum as a great example of spiral dynamics.

@Danioover9000 Love you but I must use you as an example for this

 

The way we end this political and cultural war is not through demonization but through love, compassion, and understanding. This is where stage green must move to stage yellow and turquoise to be a productively functioning agent of change in the world. Donald Trump and his family are human and Ivanka shares their story in this podcast. I watched some of the clips and they are heartwarming to see.

I would encourage you Dani and some of the other people who heavily dislike Trump(myself included) to watch this clip here and some of the others from the podcast:

Did you know Donald Trump would've wanted to be a Broadway musical producer in another life? He loves music and particularly artists like Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra. He also can learn without arrogance and routinely talks with the low-level laborers on his project to find first-principle solutions to engineering problems; similar to how Elon Musk does. 

It's easy to demonize people with unfortunate character traits like narcissism and sociopathy but we are human and here we are. Let's understand ourselves and heal ourselves. From the 7 Habits of highly effectively people and often quoted by Owen Cook: Seek first to understand then to be understood.

I would ask you Leo or the mod team if you would consider removing a warning point from Dani. They are clearly an engaged member of the forum and their viewpoint is valuable. To self-actualize and understand the world is not an easy concept and if I was less introverted I would also post more unhinged stuff online; because I restrain myself more so doesn't mean I'm a more valuable member. 

I do see how you could see Lex Fridman as supporting the right Dani but I on the contrary think that opening these dialogues is an invaluable tool for the human race to communicate with itself and ultimately unite. Same as Tucker Carlson interviewing Putin. We are all human with flaws trying to understand and solve this death survival game at the end of the day and I would ask you to be try and feel compassion and understand where Donald Trump and his family are coming from. This will not lead you to join their camp but ultimately will lead us to bridge the political gap as we enter a very sensitive time in both US politics and geopolitics as a whole. 

We cannot afford to be divided anymore. 

[Danioover9000]

@LordFall

2 minutes ago, LordFall said:

I hope you guys forgive me for using this forum as a great example of spiral dynamics.

@Danioover9000 Love you but I must use you as an example for this

 

The way we end this political and cultural war is not through demonization but through love, compassion, and understanding. This is where stage green must move to stage yellow and turquoise to be a productively functioning agent of change in the world. Donald Trump and his family are human and Ivanka shares their story in this podcast. I watched some of the clips and they are heartwarming to see.

I would encourage you Dani and some of the other people who heavily dislike Trump(myself included) to watch this clip here and some of the others from the podcast:

Did you know Donald Trump would've wanted to be a Broadway musical producer in another life? He loves music and particularly artists like Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra. He also can learn without arrogance and routinely talks with the low-level laborers on his project to find first-principle solutions to engineering problems; similar to how Elon Musk does. 

It's easy to demonize people with unfortunate character traits like narcissism and sociopathy but we are human and here we are. Let's understand ourselves and heal ourselves. From the 7 Habits of highly effectively people and often quoted by Owen Cook: Seek first to understand then to be understood.

I would ask you Leo or the mod team if you would consider removing a warning point from Dani. They are clearly an engaged member of the forum and their viewpoint is valuable. To self-actualize and understand the world is not an easy concept and if I was less introverted I would also post more unhinged stuff online; because I restrain myself more so doesn't mean I'm a more valuable member. 

I do see how you could see Lex Fridman as supporting the right Dani but I on the contrary think that opening these dialogues is an invaluable tool for the human race to communicate with itself and ultimately unite. Same as Tucker Carlson interviewing Putin. We are all human with flaws trying to understand and solve this death survival game at the end of the day and I would ask you to be try and feel compassion and understand where Donald Trump and his family are coming from. This will not lead you to join their camp but ultimately will lead us to bridge the political gap as we enter a very sensitive time in both US politics and geopolitics as a whole. 

We cannot afford to be divided anymore. 

   Thanks for raising awareness of this issue. IMO that's more a stage red moment than a green demonization moment from me as I'm tired of seeing people play pretend like him and the blue haired guy get away with obviously stuff they shouldn't online. But I cooled off and decided that maybe my masculine energy was way too much then but I just had to write a few things and get it off my chest yeah? Maybe this political situations made me mental but I know what I know about those figures, like I know stuff more than most people about them I won't be sharing here anymore. Regardless I will say sorry for the strong language, and that was deserved the thread lock and the warning threat by Leo and mods but I will not get that thread hidden, it will be clear to all who read my stance and what I think about that guy. Yeah it's fine to use me as an example of getting too excited in the moment yeah? I actually changed my mind and Ivanka a cool artist and architect, it's just the political stuff yeah? I think I'll just keep a journal about the dark thoughts here or just in private for now.

   Thanks, peace to you and good day for others who also raised the flag!👍👋

[LordFall]

Thanks for explaining your side. Politics is a dirty game as it directly rules over our lives and deaths. It's natural to get heated and emotional but it will not help us solve our deep issues. I don't have an answer for you apart from making a far-off suggestion to channel your anger into productive action. I've been reading up on history and the founding of our modern states and it's been humbling. They managed to make up mostly peace and order out of far worse chaos than we have now so I wouldn't give up hope.

The bonus point is we have AI to make ourselves smarter, better, and eventually reach objective truth so that's a big plus. 

[Keryo Koffa]

@LordFall I noticed "Stage Green Demonization" myself a while ago, I found it strange nobody else was talking out it. Things can get really heated around here. There's Relativism and Constructivism and Holistic Balancing between letting people talk or ending a discussion or drawing things to infinity and there's also spiritual confusion and a lot of traps I myself fell into, that I'm glad I've been called out on. I wholeheartedly agree there is a lot of excessive slandering of each other if someone wants to explore an alternate pov and give disliked people the benefit of the doubt since we're all human, it's also quite a balance to manage...