Spiritual Gain Is No Different Than Material Gain.

[bambi]

Just now, gettoefl said:

hers was from the heart, better to disclose when you use AI

Sorry wdym

[Breakingthewall]

There is an essential difference: some have a limited vision, others a broader one. Some pursue something that does not bring real satisfaction, that is perishable, that increases the ego, isolates. It is necessary in its right measure, but making it your religion is stupidity, a mistake. 

The others know that it is not necessary to have anything because they have everything, as long as their basic needs are covered. that existence is broader than what is perceived and that there is an evolutionary path that forces you to ascend or be crushed. Then they move to the openess, the others move to the closure. Some point to heaven, others to hell. 

Edited July 6 by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

I feel like the ego always seeks an object . You can’t seek the end of yourself because it’s not an object. But you can make it into an object , an idea like enlightenment and seek that.  I’d say all seeking is the same fundamentally but there’s still a difference in how different egos seek, some  egos seem to be denser than others and will resonate with different things one seeks enlightenment another seeks power for example

Edited July 6 by Sugarcoat

[gettoefl]

15 minutes ago, bambi said:

Sorry wdym

supposed to disclose when you use AI generated responses

[bambi]

Just now, gettoefl said:

supposed to disclose when you use AI generated responses

Ah where is that written?

[gettoefl]

1 minute ago, bambi said:

Ah where is that written?

leo has stated thus on several occasions

[bambi]

1 minute ago, gettoefl said:

leo has stated thus on several occasions

Ah where is that written?

[gettoefl]

3 minutes ago, bambi said:

Ah where is that written?

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Posting AI-generate content like text, images, or video without disclosing that it was sourced from AI

 

[bambi]

1 minute ago, gettoefl said:

 

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[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, bambi said:

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Setting AI on me, I see. Gave up? Lol

Edited July 6 by Princess Arabia

[hyruga]

Yes "spiritual gains" when spoken like this is really just a desire that people want or a badge of honour that someone put on themselves when they think they have great spiritual gains.

First of all, we need to clearly define what is spiritual gains? What are the aspects that are important?

 

[BlessedLion]

The nuance here is that spiritual gains pay you back immediately  while material gains are empty and meaningless and never enough. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, BlessedLion said:

The nuance here is that spiritual gains pay you back immediately  while material gains are empty and meaningless and never enough. 

Spiritual gain is never enough either. Aren't you still seeking or searching or practicing. The fact that you even said "paid you back", makes it sound like an investment. Nothing wrong with that; but that's just the point of my post . There's no or little difference but only in the contents.

[BlessedLion]

27 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Spiritual gain is never enough either. Aren't you still seeking or searching or practicing. The fact that you even said "paid you back", makes it sound like an investment. Nothing wrong with that; but that's just the point of my post . There's no or little difference but only in the contents.

If you believe this than I’m sorry to say your spiritual path has been done incorrectly. Yes I still practice and “seek” but I fucking love it. It’s the joy of my life. It’s given me deep purpose and satisfaction. Versus if I had a Rolex there would be little to show for it internally. It would be empty. 
 

What I mean is that when you pursue spirituality correctly, you gain immediate peace and satisfaction. 
 

If I go meditate for a weekend I will feel much better and loving the next week , versus if I pursue sex and money all weekend, I’ll likely feel depleted tired and depressed the week after. I’m speaking from direct experience on this having pursued both things 

[Princess Arabia]

7 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

If you believe this than I’m sorry to say your spiritual path has been done incorrectly. Yes I still practice and “seek” but I fucking love it. It’s the joy of my life. It’s given me deep purpose and satisfaction. Versus if I had a Rolex there would be little to show for it internally. It would be empty. 
 

What I mean is that when you pursue spirituality correctly, you gain immediate peace and satisfaction. 
 

If I go meditate for a weekend I will feel much better and loving the next week , versus if I pursue sex and money all weekend, I’ll likely feel depleted tired and depressed the week after. I’m speaking from direct experience on this having pursued both things 

I understand all this. You have missed the point of the post and simultaneously made it. The difference is the type of feeling. Still a feeling being sought after. Also by telling me my spiritual practice is wrong if I believed a certain thing. Showing how arrogant Spiritual beings can get and thinking their way is the right way and how others' are wrong.

You have said how you've felt after sex, watches materialistic gains etc, doesnt mean someone else doesn't feel intense peace after sex or satisfaction after getting a Rolex.. Both has to be maintained to sustain those feelings.

Edited July 8 by Princess Arabia

[Carl-Richard]

On 8.7.2024 at 9:12 PM, Princess Arabia said:

You have said how you've felt after sex, watches materialistic gains etc, doesnt mean someone else doesn't feel intense peace after sex or satisfaction after getting a Rolex.. Both has to be maintained to sustain those feelings.

Here is one difference: spiritual gains, or more generally personal development gains, are generally more conducive to growth and tend to produce a deeper and richer feeling over time. With material gains, at least after a certain point, the feeling is mostly a temporary high, and it's shallow and without much meaning. That is why money only correlates with happiness up to a certain point (just after your basic needs are met). After that, it's mostly a temporary high, unless it somehow feeds into your personal development gains (for example certain forms of technology).

Edited July 9 by Carl-Richard

[BlessedLion]

7 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

ou have said how you've felt after sex, watches materialistic gains etc, doesnt mean someone else doesn't feel intense peace after sex or satisfaction after getting a Rolex.. Both has to be maintained to sustain those feelings.

True I can’t tell anyone what makes them satisfied and some people might genuinely be satisfied with a Rolex, but I think most humans don’t find true happiness there as is reported over and over again by famous and wealthy people. I think it’s a different kind of satisfaction, like a pleasure rather than a deep spiritual connection. Then again, who’s to say there’s a difference?

 

For me one feels much more deep pure and profound 

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

True I can’t tell anyone what makes them satisfied and some people might genuinely be satisfied with a Rolex, but I think most humans don’t find true happiness there as is reported over and over again by famous and wealthy people. I think it’s a different kind of satisfaction, like a pleasure rather than a deep spiritual connection. Then again, who’s to say there’s a difference?

 

For me one feels much more deep pure and profound 

I'm saying after the initial Rolex wears off, they'll need something else. After meditating and the peaceful feeling comes, more meditating is needed after that peace wears off. It takes consistent buying of stuff and consuming to maintain that feeling and it takes consistent spiritual practices to maintain that feeling. I don't see anyone meditating one time and say they are in constant peace and fullfilment. I see a lot on here still miserable even though they do spiritual practices. 

IT doesn't matter what one does, it seems it needs to be constantly done to maintain itself and material or spiritual it's still a feeling being sought after even though spiritually speaking the feeling may last longer or is more in depth. You're not going to give up your practices tomorrow and say I'm alright now I've gained all I needed to gain and the consumer isn't stopping buying stuff because they are content. Both takes consistency and pretty much till you die. The person doing either just for the pleasure of doing them and not because they're looking to get something in return is the one, to me, who is indifferent and who knows how to enjoy life without getting anything from life back. When you're doing either for a gain there's no difference only in the content and maybe to satisfy the ego's desire for a better feeling and the spiritual seeker will believe they are being more productive but they still need to continue those practices till they die because if they were to stop that ego will lose the grip it thinks It has on it's well-being and the reason it's doing those practices. When Spiritual practices are done merely for the joy of doing them, then that's no match for materialistic consuming. That's the difference to me.  That's all I'm saying. 

I love Spirituality and I will not give it up for anything. I just love it for it's own sake. 

Edited July 9 by Princess Arabia

[hyruga]

I think it was mentioned that one is a serotonin hit, the other is a dopamine hit.

Serotonin is more long lasting and if you are highly conscious, you can easily get back to 'well being'.

 

[UnbornTao]

What does spiritual gain mean?

Depends on your goals, and you can live however you want. That doesn't mean there are more empowering ways to live, or that actions stop producing consequences.

Going after ideals is doomed to fail from the start--thinking that getting what you want will bring you happiness. The search itself is based on the idea that something is lacking in your experience now that you think must be present, which itself is based on a painful experience.

Again, depends on how it's framed. If rather than spiritual gain, we call it becoming aware, having insights, discovering dynamics, or getting free, these are powerful things to do. Whether these produce the expected results on you is secondary. Benefits are side-effects and come as a result of the intention to pursue them for themselves. If your motivation to pursue them is an ideal of completeness, then you might discover that it doesn't work that way. You can be happy while pursuing stuff.

Beyond fulfilling one's needs and perhaps some wants, acquiring a possession is like getting a new toy. It can enjoyed, but don't expect it will fulfill you. 

Edited July 13 by UnbornTao