About the ego mind

[Breakingthewall]

Human life has a great component of suffering due to how it is configured. The life of a bird is not suffering, nor is that of a fish in the ocean, or that of a 6-year-old human child. Happiness and joy are normal. but humans are programmed to enter the social matrix. It is impossible to stay out.

Mystical philosophers like Lao Tzu promoted total ignorance of the lower classes of society to preserve human happiness. I suppose they would be wrong, because human happiness usually does not exist. We have memory, foresight and extremely strong emotional ties. All this in an always unequal society, full of desire, envy, hatred, lack, fear of not being adequate, of not fitting in, creates the identity of the ego, which is a big piece of shit for itself of a monstrous size, a source of madness , and of movement. 

Life is existence, creation and death. direct life, absolutely present, simple, pure. but the structure that the ego creates the image of someone who moves in time and must achieve things. This someone is always dissatisfied, basically because he does not really exist, he is a hyper-complex mental creation, a genius-level work of art to make a human a cog in a collective that has a maximum evolutionary drive. a hungry evolutionary beast, aggressive in its expansion, as life always is. 

The ego must be tamed, its structures reconfigured, it is a difficult process, the ego has many layers of fear and narcissism. falsehood, deception, self-protection. The ego creates a virtual shell so as not to see life directly. It is constantly creating a barrier made of thought that isolates reality from itself to create thrust, movement.  

The only way to tame the ego is to habitually open it to the deep void that is deep full that is existence. The ego will understand, it will be detached from the superfluous layers, where the vibration called suffering maintains the amalgamated structure. Little by little the ego becomes more defined, with clearer lines, more transparent to pure existence. In this way it coordinates with the will of existence in a more precise way, then it start flowing. Life start to be pleasure. Existence is open, the sight points to infinity.

But always are rests of that substance of the human relationship, the attachment to the others, the self image. They must totally dissapear. They have to be recognized as imprints in the structure of the ego and understand the energy they create, look at them directly and understand them deeply, and thus deactivate them. Self image is the main obstacle, and it varies and can even be god. It has to be nothing, and then it is existence. It merges with the now and is the now. then the mind is open.

[Breakingthewall]

Considering the matter, it seems incredible that something so simple is so difficult to understand. the basis of the ego is identification. Identification is contraction, since it contracts reality into a defined circle of identity. To do this, the psyche must do constant work, every second of waking time and even during sleep. This work feels like anxiety, aka suffering. It is constant and never stops.

Identification is a witness that is passed from generation to generation, and is based on the survival of the group. Life is extremely plastic, and therefore genetic adaptation is parallel to the creation of these patterns, which, as they work, are perpetuated.

The problem is when they stop being necessary and become an obstacle, as is happening now in many cases. Identification in millions is starting don't contribute, it mostly subtracts. Tribal cohesion is not necessary, but is a source of suffering without any benefit. then the reverse process is beginning, the dissolution of these patterns. but they are tenacious, as we can see here. something so simple, but no one really achieves it. Identification jumps from the tribe to the individual, and the individual who wants to transcend it expands it to the cosmic, infinite or divine level, but he never lets go of it, and the contraction remains unchanged.

relaxing the contraction is breaking the circle, opening the mind to reality without bottom, without limit. This is not so simple for one reason: contraction is necessary for the functioning of the individual in society. To be able to break it, the individual must first pass some, let's say, tests. You must deeply master the functioning of your contracted psyche, face everything you contract, look at it directly and deactivate it. Understand what contraction is and what it is for. In a world without identity, the individual would have risen without it and would not need to do this work, but this world is not that. Quite the contrary, identity is reinforced from birth, so the individual who wants to be free of contraction must master the art of the mind, understand all its triggers, see its mechanics dispassionately, like an entomologist, with the determination to deactivate them. The result is an unlimitedly expanded mind, with the capacity for deepen in itself, of real understanding, and free of self inflicted suffering.

 

Edited July 3 by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 identity is reinforced from birth, so the individual who wants to be free of contraction must master the art of the mind, 

Unfortunately this is so true.

From education and schooling they teach us success is about being better than someone else. 

From relationships to career and even health (Sports), the Mind understands as success and value as being more at the top of the ladder of someone else.

Nearly all the matrix functions in regards to value, competition and comparisons.

 

Instead understanding success as being a human that within feels satisfied, joyful, balanced, Still, not Lost in the compulsive patterns, we have chosed to behave just like animals. We can not conplain now that we have a Hive designed for our soul to be totally Lost and crushed.

The wise ones see this and realize if they want a Life of well being beyond the conditioning of the matrix, they Will have to Live a Life very rare, with máximum Focus on attention to Life, well being just for the sake of ones well being, far from falling victim of the games of value and self-image competition society actually revolves around.

[gettoefl]

yes great stuff

suffering is misidentification; and it's not the case to know what you are since this is impossible as you are now but to be what you are

and this needs dissolving of all the ego patterns

you can still play some role in the world but you know what you really are and why you are here and where you are headed

anger fear greed jealousy ... are all silly delusional and deeply self harming ... and can all be transmuted into their divine manifestation

[An young being]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

Unfortunately this is so true.

Fortunately?

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Instead understanding success as being a human that within feels satisfied, joyful, balanced, Still, not Lost in the compulsive patterns, we have chosed to behave just like animals. We can not conplain now that we have a Hive designed for our soul to be totally Lost and crushed.

It is inevitable due to how life is configured, which seeks the most efficient pattern through the fight to the death between species and individuals. If there is competition now, until recently the usual thing was war, slavery and oppression. in fact it continues to exist in many societies.

Modern Western society tends towards the individual over the group, and this first creates an extremely unsatisfactory narcissism, a dead end in which the ego is revealed as a trap whose only escape is the enlightening tendency.

We are committed to this task not because we are geniuses, but because there was no other possible way out given the circumstances. we have been pushed into it. If we were French in the 18th century we would be fighting duels or buying strange wigs. the evolutionary push of life is extremely strong and fast, and there is no scape, or we flow with it, or we are obsolete

2 hours ago, gettoefl said:

yes great stuff

suffering is misidentification; and it's not the case to know what you are since this is impossible as you are now but to be what you are

and this needs dissolving of all the ego patterns

you can still play some role in the world but you know what you really are and why you are here and where you are headed

anger fear greed jealousy ... are all silly delusional and deeply self harming ... and can all be transmuted into their divine manifestation

Yeah, That's right, but identification is something that captures us with enormous force from our youth, thousands of generations shout at us from their genes to identify with the tribe, to compete for a partner, money, success. Who cares about the glory of existence? only success matters.

That's programming, life wants it that way. The fish in a coral reef don't have that shit, they spend 200 million years placidly circling the corals, always exactly the same, but humans are in a very different movie: accelerated evolution at maximum power. human evolution in 10 years is equivalent to that of any other species in half a million, to say the least. What we are doing, the opening of the mind to total reality, is no joke, it is an extreme evolutionary step. We are the spearhead of a new human era, since life has decided so. There is not other possible path, or at least it seems so.  

The strange thing about all this is that humanity is totally enlightened, it just doesn't realize it. all reality is direct, clear, perfect. The complexity of how it is organized seems to have no limits. An anthill is something of unimaginable complexity, from the structure of each atom, to its biological, genetic, and evolutionary configuration. a human city is a joke in level of complexity. It is a total intertwined, coordinated universe with literally billions of levels of existence. from the energetic cords that form an atom to each subtle exchange of words loaded with meaning, of destiny, that create butterfly effects that expand like waves in infinity. 

What is the destiny of this if it is not the greatest glory of existence? the extreme creation of infinite intelligence. the glory must shine through the form. Well, in fact, it already does, in all its power. The point is to see it, to see beyond your petty and miserable circle of identity to which we cling like hungry rats.

Edited July 3 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

Yeah, That's right, but identification is something that captures us with enormous force from our youth, thousands of generations shout at us from their genes to identify with the tribe, to compete for a partner, money, success. Who cares about the glory of existence? only success matters.

 

That's programming, life wants it that way. The fish in a coral reef don't have that shit, they spend 200 million years placidly circling the corals, always exactly the same, but humans are in a very different movie: accelerated evolution at maximum power. human evolution in 10 years is equivalent to that of any other species in half a million, to say the least. What we are doing, the opening of the mind to total reality, is no joke, it is an extreme evolutionary step. We are the spearhead of a new human era, since life has decided so. There is not other possible path, or at least it seems so. 

hard to convince anybody the world of solidity does not exist, heck is hard enough to convince oneself 

yet if one tiny fragment cracks it - me for example - the whole reality is in catastrophic jeopardy of imploding

ego cannot countenance such a damning prospect and will take any and all measures to eliminate

its days are numbered and always were

finitude seems a long time when stuck in it

all that's needed is look and see the son of god in place of the sin of man

punishment is what everyone believes in but what is keeping the dream intact

no errors have ever been made here

accept it and enjoy life

[Breakingthewall]

The perception of the ego, through ideas, is completely superficial. It does not penetrate even a millimeter into reality, it only defines it in order to be able to handle it. The depth and complexity of reality is unimaginable, we just can intuit It atonished.

What is completely perceptible is its essence, because it is our essence, what we are. Outside of any identity is the total brilliance, the absolute glory. This makes the wonder of form obvious. In every form there is total glory, complete reality, even our most negative and miserable feeling, it is the total brilliance of existence. It is difficult to see the glory in evil, violence, hatred, sadness, but they are necessary forces for the greatest glory of creation, same than gravity, or anything else. 

Edited July 3 by Breakingthewall

[cjoseph90]

good post, yh very true. enjoyed reading it

[Javfly33]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It is inevitable due to how life is configured, which seeks the most efficient pattern through the fight to the death between species and individuals. If there is competition now, until recently the usual thing was war, slavery and oppression. in fact it continues to exist in many societies.

Modern Western society tends towards the individual over the group, and this first creates an extremely unsatisfactory narcissism, a dead end in which the ego is revealed as a trap whose only escape is the enlightening tendency.

We are committed to this task not because we are geniuses, but because there was no other possible way out given the circumstances. we have been pushed into it. If we were French in the 18th century we would be fighting duels or buying strange wigs. the evolutionary push of life is extremely strong and fast, and there is no scape, or we flow with it, or we are obsolete

I don´t want to judge what it took to get there because I am enjoying the benefits (internet, good housing, transportation, etc...). But is time for humans to realize evolvement is not anymore about inventing new iPhones, 6G, Ultra Fast Teslas, but improving the engineering of a human being.

If you are a CEO of 10 successful companies but you don´t know how to sit still looking at the sky and enjoying the breeze, I say you are not an evolved intelligent being. You are just a very survival-oriented capable one. 

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the evolutionary push of life is extremely strong and fast, and there is no scape, or we flow with it, or we are obsolete

There is nothing in Life that forces us to keep focusing on ridiculous rat races of technology evolution and market competition, is only our ignorance that making higher skyscrapers somehow will satisfy our minds. 

The trees and the bird seems to be doing all right just with water and food.

But we don´t seem to be alright with megacities, massive supermarkets with endless type of products, holidays, entertainment. 

We are good in managing external tools but terrible at managing the most important one which is the body and mind we use. 

Edited July 4 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

But is time for humans to realize evolvement is not anymore about inventing new iPhones, 6G, Ultra Fast Teslas, but improving the engineering of a human being.

If you are a CEO of 10 successful companies but you don´t know how to sit still looking at the sky and enjoying the breeze, I say you are not an evolved intelligent being. You are just a very survival-oriented capable one. 

Sure, I don't want to be a fanatical CEO, but the reality is that this CEO is an evolutionary engine. Humans are unbalanced beings by nature, a shark is a completely balanced being, it swims, it is perfect in its perfect present, it eats, it is not sad or happy, it does not modify its behavior in the slightest in 300 million years and that's it.

humans, on the other hand...in a paleolithic environment, let's say, one wants to fuck his cousin's wife, so he murders him, but the other's brothers take revenge by torturing him, and then they invent a religion in which they worship a bloody god and they burn some virgins alive in their honor while they dance a dance to make it rain. Birds or crocodiles don't do any of that. Humans, pushed by their natural imbalance, in 30 thousand years have gone from hunting with sticks and stones to sending ships to Mars. I believe that the only freedom for humans as a species is to fulfill their evolutionary destiny, which I don't know what it will be, I suppose to dominate matter, genetics, life, space and time.

Life seeks the most efficient path to evolve, and in our case that path is the CEO obsessed with having a yacht with two helicopters. happiness? There will be happiness when the mission is accomplished, or extinction, or whatever. 

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

There is nothing in Life that forces us to keep focusing on ridiculous rat races of technology evolution and market competition

It does, since humans are maladaptive beings by nature. And we also have memory and foresight for the future. We do not like our children to have leprosy and their skin and limbs to rot, or to grow old and die, or to be hungry. All of that is right behind us, waiting for us to relax in our rat race.

In a Western country, if your 3-year-old child has cancer, they treat him, a few kilometers down, they don't. It is an important, essential difference. It's a difference to kill for, as it always has been. 

You are either up, or down. The only way to equalize is technology. and technology requires more evolution. reach a point of infinite energy, hyper advanced technology capable of modeling genetics, matter and even the mind. Looking at the pace of progress, it seems like something not too far away.

and all this is nothing more than ego. Without ego, you don't care if your children have leprosy, nothing matters to you. " matters" is an ego idea. Without ego there is no movement, there is stagnation. I personally maybe prefer it, you live, in the end you die and that's it, but it seems that reality prefers something else. 

[An young being]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

and all this is nothing more than ego. Without ego, you don't care if your children have leprosy, nothing matters to you. " matters" is an ego idea. Without ego there is no movement, there is stagnation. I personally maybe prefer it, you live, in the end you die and that's it, but it seems that reality prefers something else. 

Movement can be without ego. 

Technology can be developed with different intentions. For example, 

Inventing new technology ( such as cancer curing drugs)  to reduce suffering in the world.

Inventing new technology so that you can make yourself and your company rich.

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, An young being said:

Inventing new technology ( such as cancer curing drugs)  to reduce suffering in the world.

Inventing new technology so that you can make yourself and your company rich.

Those are two levels of ego imo. one is an altruistic ego and the other a greedy ego, but in the absence of ego, the suffering of the world is indifferent, in fact, it does not even exist for you. Without ego there is only the direct present.

imo it is impossible to eliminate the ego if you are human, except for short periods, with meditation, psychedelics. What is possible is to understand the ego and reconfigure it to the point of enlightenment, which is not the absence of ego but rather an ego that knows deeply that its identity is fiction and can turn off itself at will.

[An young being]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Those are two levels of ego imo. one is an altruistic ego and the other a greedy ego, but in the absence of ego, the suffering of the world is indifferent, in fact, it does not even exist for you. Without ego there is only the direct present.

You're right, but what happens when you are 100% altruistic? Do you become inactive? 

Is action dependent or independent of ego? 

Don't forget, when somebody wake you up and tell you to do something, and if you resist, that's also a form of ego.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, An young being said:

You're right, but what happens when you are 100% altruistic? Do you become inactive? 

27 minutes ago, An young being said:

 

For me being altruistic is ego, You do certain things because you think they are better for people than other things, and you are projecting your actions into the future. Your circle of identity is not just you but it is all of humanity, or the planet, or whatever. Not having an ego would be being absolutely indifferent, being in the total present, in total openness to reality. Reality doesn't care if children suffer or if a galaxy collapses in on itself. everything is reality, nothing is better than anything else, just cycles of creation and destruction due the movement of the infinity. 

But in another hand, this is difficult to affirm since the cosmos exist and evolve, then the reality seems to have a will, the will of being and grow in complexity. Seems that for reality it's better to exist than no exist. If there is an ego, it's because reality "wants" it. It's difficult to think in those matters because it's easy to anthropomorphize everything.

 

[An young being]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

For me being altruistic is ego, You do certain things because you think they are better for people than other things, and you are projecting your actions into the future. Your circle of identity is not just you but it is all of humanity, or the planet, or whatever. Not having an ego would be being absolutely indifferent, being in the total present, in total openness to reality. Reality doesn't care if children suffer or if a galaxy collapses in on itself. everything is reality, nothing is better than anything else, just cycles of creation and destruction due the movement of the infinity. 

But in another hand, this is difficult to affirm since the cosmos exist and evolve, then the reality seems to have a will, the will of being and grow in complexity. Seems that for reality it's better to exist than no exist. If there is an ego, it's because reality "wants" it. It's difficult to think in those matters because it's easy to anthropomorphize everything.

 

Your'e right, being altruistic comes from the ego's opinion that suffering is bad, and less suffering is good. That's why you wish to help others.  

But movement can exist even if you're not altruistic. You don't resist anything, and perform the action that comes to your intuition. 

But, is intuition free from ego? Where does it come from?

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

29 minutes ago, An young being said:

But movement can exist even if you're not altruistic. You don't resist anything, and perform the action that comes to your intuition

that's the thing. reality exists and moves, therefore, the ego is reality and its movement is the movement of reality, there is no problem with it, unless we say a closed ego, which creates an identity in which perception bounces, so to speak, it makes you only perceive your own reflection.

For example, "I am God creating reality" is an ego identity and closes, just like any identity. What must disappear is not the ego, but rather making the ego transparent, without identity, to be able to perceive in an unlimited way. This does not mean passivity, it means open perception, freedom of mind and absence of limits, which translates into absence of self-inflicted suffering.

The difference is subtle but fundamental for the objective we have or at least I have: open, transparent, distortion-free perception.  experience clean of contraction/suffering

[An young being]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This does not mean passivity, it means open perception, freedom of mind and absence of limits, which translates into absence of self-inflicted suffering.

The difference is subtle but fundamental for the objective we have or at least I have: open, transparent, distortion-free perception.  experience clean of contraction/suffering

There's a subtle difference between passivity and being, like you have said. While letting it be, you let experiences happen on their own, whatever comes to your mind through intuition. Desire being your driving force for experiences is completely eradicated, and experiences come from an unknown or predetermined place. You give up free will to be completely observed in the experience.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, An young being said:

Desire being your driving force for experiences is completely eradicated, and experiences come from an unknown or predetermined place

In my case that's impossible. I like desire and search. I think it is enough to erase the identification. Desires can be forgotten for a few hours while you meditate or contemplate, but identification cannot be erased for even a second. It is a software that is running continuously and is unstoppable, even on high doses of psychedelics. The key in my opinion is to break the identification

[BEWISE]

I agree with you that the battle we have to undertake is a pretty daunting task. The only way you will see what life is truly about is to take on this mission. The hardest part will be to overcome your identity. It is like a suit that was handed to you and it is very hard to undo in my opinion. We tend to think we can figure this out in one life time. Maybe maybe not. Having the awareness that there are others level to life in itself is a great awakening. Most will not even consider anything beyond the 5 senses yet alone rack their mind to see what these other levels are about.  In my opinion we have to keep exploring this thing call consciousness to see where it takes us. Everyone's journey will be quite different and some things will not be easily communicated. The beauty of all of this will be a gift to oneself not to be explained or even shared. It will be a great insight.