Project 2025??

[Rafael Thundercat]

How to fix politcs once for all. Some policy ideias

Warning: This is most for a little fun in the middle of this tense Topic.

Enjoy

 

[Basman]

Political complacency is perhaps the worst aspect of representative democracy. When you no longer have to seriously consider the weight of your political choices, they become easily co-opted by ideology, group-think, identity politics and media bias.

The voting population is partially responsible for this situation with Trump for things to get this bad. Same as with Brexit in the UK. People are too flippant about politics.

Edited July 11 by Basman

[Hardkill]

17 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Hardkill

   Sure, but Trump's first popularity vote wasn't that bad, it was a close call. His second one is more noticeably bad. And true those figures are not representative of most Americans, just too far right or left, and Americans preferred likeable personalities and more corporate cultured politicians, either democrat or republican that has some corporate bias.

No, Trump's first popular vote was still not even close to Hillary Clinton's popular vote. He lost the popular vote by about 3 million in 2016.

In the 2000 Bush vs. Gore presidential election, Bush lost the popular vote by about 500,000 votes, even though he officially won the electoral college by a razor thin margin and became president. Then again, the right-wing SCOTUS at the time really stole that election for Bush by not allowing a true full recount in Florida. In any case, 2000 was a presidential election that you can definitely say was a close call. Not 2016.

Edited July 11 by Hardkill

[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

1 hour ago, Hardkill said:

No, Trump's first popular vote was still not even close to Hillary Clinton's popular vote. He lost the popular vote by about 3 million in 2016.

In the 2000 Bush vs. Gore presidential election, Bush lost the popular vote by about 500,000 votes, even though he officially won the electoral college by a razor thin margin and became president. Then again, the right-wing SCOTUS at the time really stole that election for Bush by not allowing a true full recount in Florida. In any case, 2000 was a presidential election that you can definitely say was a close call. Not 2016.

   Sure in the 2000 Bush versus Gore president election, Bush lost by about 500,000. And sure Trump versus Hillary in 2016 he lost by about 3 million, or 3,000,000 votes. Thing is though that even if there's a difference between losing by 500,00 votes to 3,000,000 votes, by themselves we cannot claim which is a greater margin by which. We need data on the total votes in 2016 Trump/Hillary versus the total votes altogether in that 2,000 Bush/Gore. Apparently it says that Donald Trump won the popularity vote in 2016, and Hilary won 2.1% more than Donald Trump. Are you saying that 3,000,000 votes is that 2.1% won by Hillary? what about the other percentages of the votes?

   Source: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwia1t-F4p-HAxXfVUEAHe_0DZsQFnoECBUQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FList_of_United_States_presidential_elections_in_which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote%23%3A~%3Atext%3D2016%3A%20Donald%20Trump%2C-Main%20article%3A%202016%26text%3DHillary%20Clinton%20(left)%20won%202.1%2CTrump%20(right)%20in%202016.&usg=AOvVaw2QK0oO-roMoENKC59kwtvm&opi=89978449

[Rafael Thundercat]

This Heritage Foundation Guys are Crazy or What ??

Winning the New Cold War: A Plan for Countering China

 

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

This Heritage Foundation Guys are Crazy or What ??

Winning the New Cold War: A Plan for Countering China

 

What would be very devious but extremely effective would be China and Russia arming Iran and Syria then pushing them to attack Israel forcing the US to intervene, the US will be forced to spend most of its assets in the Middle East leaving Russia and China to expand their influence unimpeded.

[Raze]

 

[Raze]

https://www.mtracey.net/p/project-2025-is-just-project-1981
 

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"Project 2025" is just "Project 1981"

 

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“Dangerous, diabolical, and dastardly” is how Hakeem Jeffries, the House Democratic Leader, just described the so-called “Project 2025” planning document that all liberals have now been commanded to light their hair on fire about and run around in circles screeching how it portends some imminent apocalyptic MAGA takeover.

First off, it’s the least surprising thing in the world that the preeminent DC think tank of the “Conservative Movement” would merge itself to the maximum extent possible with the branding and sensibility of Donald Trump, the current undisputed ruler of the “Conservative Movement,” such as it exists. What would be far more surprising is if the Heritage Foundation, which drafted the document now being wailed about by every Democratic pundit, had not maximally ingratiated itself with Trump — in fact, the Trump Administration’s embrace of the Heritage Foundation was already well underway during his first term. But now liberals, desperate for a campaign pivot amidst Joe Biden’s cognitive implosion, are using their usual overwrought melodrama to hype “Project 2025” as slam-dunk proof that Trump obviously represents an Existential Threat To American Democracy™ or whatever. What they curiously fail to mention is that the document is robustly aligned with many of the liberals’ most sacrosanct priorities.

Amusingly, Trump has been busy lately ‘disavowing’ Project 2025, but that’s neither here nor there.

 

[Danioover9000]

   And I especially hate how that admin always seems to cover for that guy! Stop covering for that guy! Stop always taking up for that half man! There's enough evidence now, based on how many guests he has with a right wing bend, that he isn't objective, he's clearly connected and taking advantage of most people's ignorance. Oh he a great podcaster! No, he took to 2 knees deep throating his 2 favorite heroes who happen to have some alt right biases! Why the hell do you, admin, cover that scammer's behind?! It is ridiculous you keep doing this, and you have the gale to punish those that even call attention to this?!

[Hardkill]

On 7/11/2024 at 0:58 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@Hardkill

   Sure in the 2000 Bush versus Gore president election, Bush lost by about 500,000. And sure Trump versus Hillary in 2016 he lost by about 3 million, or 3,000,000 votes. Thing is though that even if there's a difference between losing by 500,00 votes to 3,000,000 votes, by themselves we cannot claim which is a greater margin by which. We need data on the total votes in 2016 Trump/Hillary versus the total votes altogether in that 2,000 Bush/Gore. Apparently it says that Donald Trump won the popularity vote in 2016, and Hilary won 2.1% more than Donald Trump. Are you saying that 3,000,000 votes is that 2.1% won by Hillary? what about the other percentages of the votes?

   Source: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwia1t-F4p-HAxXfVUEAHe_0DZsQFnoECBUQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FList_of_United_States_presidential_elections_in_which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote%23%3A~%3Atext%3D2016%3A%20Donald%20Trump%2C-Main%20article%3A%202016%26text%3DHillary%20Clinton%20(left)%20won%202.1%2CTrump%20(right)%20in%202016.&usg=AOvVaw2QK0oO-roMoENKC59kwtvm&opi=89978449

Yes, I was referring to Hillary Clinton having won 2.1% more of the popular vote than Trump did in 2016. For the 2000 presidential election, Gore won 0.52% more of the popular vote than Bush did.

2000 was undemocratic because of the staunch conservative SCOTUS who rigged it in favor of Bush and 2016 was undemocratic because of the will of the majority of the people, according to the popular vote, was subverted by such a totally outdated electoral college system.

Edited July 12 by Hardkill

[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

16 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Yes, I was referring to Hillary Clinton having won 2.1% more of the popular vote than Trump did in 2016. For the 2000 presidential election, Gore won 0.52% more of the popular vote than Bush did.

2000 was undemocratic because of the staunch conservative SCOTUS who rigged it in favor of Bush and 2016 was undemocratic because of the will of the majority of the people, according to the popular vote, was subverted by such a totally outdated electoral college system.

   You can claim it's undemocratic for both 2000 and the 2016 elections, but keep in mind it's not only just the staunch conservative SCOTUS who rigged the election to favor Bush, this was following a cultural zeitgeist of the 9/11 attack, which Americans wanted revenge for collectively, so in a sense, despite it being twisted, that 2000 election was actually democratic because the will of most Americans wanted payback and they did elect Bush in over Gore due to rhetoric superiority then regardless even if SCOTUS rigged the election. 2000 election for Bush definitely felt more of the will of the people more so than the 2016 election for Trump, although that's also arguably the will of Americans too who are tired of 2 times Obama with little progress, besides Obama care which was a good change. They were a bit betrayed because Obama did promise he'd address wall street but they somehow got away scot free with slaps on the wrist. You can tell because there was footage of this event, when before Obama arrived in Wall Street most of them looked shoulders in, huddled, general body language closed and them trying to appear smaller. After Obama arrived and had that closed door meeting, almost all of Wall Street people walked out with heads held high, puffy chest out, almost proud mixed with relief that business will still be usual. Honestly disgusting to me that Obama gave that empty promise but there you go that's politics.

[Yimpa]

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[Rafael Thundercat]

On 11/07/2024 at 11:18 PM, Raze said:

What would be very devious but extremely effective would be China and Russia arming Iran and Syria then pushing them to attack Israel forcing the US to intervene, the US will be forced to spend most of its assets in the Middle East leaving Russia and China to expand their influence unimpeded.

Dont tell this to them. Looks like a good plan

[hoodrow trillson]

*coughs*

[Danioover9000]

@hoodrow trillson

30 minutes ago, hoodrow trillson said:

*coughs*

   Yeah the silence is very palpable here...

[Rafael Thundercat]

Heritage Foundation Song

 

[Yimpa]

Project 2025 is abusive and contains plans to bully and suppress minority groups.

[Nemra]

Americans should also watch out for Hillsdale College. I have gotten a lot of ads from them on YouTube when I turned on my VPN every time. You should also check out their channel and watch who has been talking with them.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Some groups are leaving the Project out. Or is Just a PR move?

 

https://theintercept.com/2024/07/19/conservative-groups-abandon-project-2025/?utm_campaign=feed&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=later-linkinbio

 

[Yimpa]