Solipsism Proof

[Princess Arabia]

18 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

For the sake of words.

As @Breakingthewall likes to put his examples, lets see if the sinaloa cartel kidnaps you because they thought you stole a brick of dope, and they put you in a hole for 7 days and throw hungry rats lets see if there is "no reality" really. 

It's OK. Whenever the rebuttals come, it's usually one of these "ifs" comments or the starving child in Africa or if someone hits you upside the head we'll see about no reality then. Poor excuse and reasonings. Doesn't take away from what's the case. Even when I said there is reality within the dream, you're still saying "we'll see when". Yes the dream seems real but for a discussion like this, I was just pointing to the ultimate. There is no such thing as reality. Thats it. Everything is a story and no one wakes up. The end. Now let's get back to reality.

Edited June 30 by Princess Arabia

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's OK. Whenever the rebuttals come, it's usually one of these "ifs" comments or the starving child in Africa or if someone hits you upside the head we'll see about no reality then. Poor excuse and reasonings. Doesn't take away from what's the case. Even when I said there is reality within the dream, you're still saying "we'll see when". Yes the dream seems real but for a discussion like this, I was just pointing to the ultimate. There is no such thing as reality. Thats it. Everything is a story and no one wakes up. The end. Now let's get back to reality.

Ok so Now we have You on Record saying "Yes the dream seems real but for a discussion like this, I was just pointing to the ultimate", for me this statement means there are levels, or dimensions to it, there is the "Ultimate" or "Absolute" or "God" then there is something else, many around here like to call it a "Dream or Imaginary", I don't think those words fit what is really going on, as in reality dreams seem pretty real and so is imagination, the brain does not know the difference btwn what is vividly imagined (Or dreamed up) and real, real and imaginary are very subjective, but the point I am trying to make it that there are levels to Reality, there is Absolute and then there is something below or other than Absolute.. 

Its easy to say when we are comfortable and sitting behind screens that being kidnapped by a cartel just is what it is, but if it happened to You the experience of it would be very very REAL, same with any other situation, someone losing a child, winning the lottery or having a baby and so forth, its all  REAl on this level of Existence, maybe not on the Absolute level since there is no Individuality or way to have an Experience from my limited understanding of it, here on Earth we have Individuality present, duality is present, karma is here, not there...and you need those things to have Experience, knowing, not knowing and all the shit that is possible...

[Princess Arabia]

23 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Its easy to say when we are comfortable and sitting behind screens that being kidnapped by a cartel just is what it is, but if it happened to You the experience of it would be very very REAL, same with any other situation, someone losing a child, winning the lottery or having a baby and so forth, its all  REAl on this level of Existence, maybe not on the Absolute level since there is no Individuality or way to have an Experience from my limited understanding of it, here on Earth we have Individuality present, duality is present, karma is here, not there...and you need those things to have Experience, knowing, not knowing and all the shit that is possible...

One would have to be pretty delusional to think it won't hurt or these things wouldn't have an impact. When I speak as I do, I'm not negating these things. If someone were to chop my arm off, I'm not going to go around saying reality isn't real and there's no one here and life's a dream so who cares. Of course not; but that's not what's being discussed. If we're discussing the ultimate nature of things and God and the Absolute etcetc why do we need to sugarcoat it all the time by saying if and if and if. If the truth is that there is no real reality or whatever the case is, then thatls a point, but to keep talking about a starving child and a hungry dog doesn't need to be addressed at the same time.

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's OK. Whenever the rebuttals come, it's usually one of these "ifs" comments or the starving child in Africa or if someone hits you upside the head we'll see about no reality then. Poor excuse and reasonings. Doesn't take away from what's the case. Even when I said there is reality within the dream, you're still saying "we'll see when". Yes the dream seems real but for a discussion like this, I was just pointing to the ultimate. There is no such thing as reality. Thats it. Everything is a story and no one wakes up. The end. Now let's get back to reality.

@Princess Arabia Ultimately I agree with you.

But don´t sell the cart before the horse.

There might be no reality and only You, but while you are here you have to play by the rules you created. 

 

You are not going to get out of this maze so easy.

You have to get to such a place of absolute consciousness that you literally are completely conscious when the moment of death comes so you don´t get yourself in another mess (reincarnation). 

 

You guys that keep playing this non duality games is another type of Karma. Is not different than other type of attachment. You are not actually walking towards Evolution of your consciousness. Although intellectually is true what you say, by how you say it it makes me suspect you are not actually walking towards that. 

You think you already are outside the prison but actually you just got yourself a very comfy sofa in the prison that you think you are back home. 

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Princess Arabia Ultimately I agree with you.

But don´t sell the cart before the horse.

There might be no reality and only You, but while you are here you have to play by the rules you created. 

 

You are not going to get out of this maze so easy.

You have to get to such a place of absolute consciousness that you literally are completely conscious when the moment of death comes so you don´t get yourself in another mess (reincarnation). 

 

You guys that keep playing this non duality games is another type of Karma. Is not different than other type of attachment. You are not actually walking towards Evolution of your consciousness. Although intellectually is true what you say, by how you say it it makes me suspect you are not actually walking towards that. 

You think you already are outside the prison but actually you just got yourself a very comfy sofa in the prison that you think you are back home. 

This is just another discussion and topic. Can't discuss it all at one time. If you'd prefer when I say what I say, I can also add "BUT" to the mix and explain away all you just did. This is why sometimes I see no point in discussing anything on the top level because it always comes back down to the dream/relative/dual level and then the "scare tactic warnings" begin. 

Don't know about you, but your mind can keep telling itself that it's in a prison. I don't have to engage with those scare tactics that the mind likes to present. I understand this level, but it's all relative and the mind sees it in many different ways since it's just stories and dreams. Mine sees it as just what it is; and whatever appears to happen, happens and I will respond the best I know how to the situation at hand and when I find it going off in lala land about fearful stuff that's not present, I bring it back to the light of awareness in the dream and it just chills. That's it. It's not that complicated and both worlds exist in the same sphere.

[vibv]

8 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's OK. Whenever the rebuttals come, it's usually one of these "ifs" comments or the starving child in Africa or if someone hits you upside the head we'll see about no reality then. Poor excuse and reasonings. Doesn't take away from what's the case. Even when I said there is reality within the dream, you're still saying "we'll see when". Yes the dream seems real but for a discussion like this, I was just pointing to the ultimate. There is no such thing as reality. Thats it. Everything is a story and no one wakes up. The end. Now let's get back to reality.

Reality is just the best story