Presidential Debate + RFK

[Danioover9000]

@Raze JFK?

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021  and @DocWatts  it's a moot point whoever is at fault. Yes Americans are at fault for 100 years of ignorance of what their governments did, but the same for most Chinese being ignorant of the CCP and what it does. Both countries shares that same weakness of ignorance and suffering generation, therefore moot point not worth debating.

[Bobby_2021]

13 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Leftist and progressives who aren't on board with American imperialism who will end up suffering the most from the collapse of US democracy

Leftist progressives do support American imperialism by supporting NATO expansion. In fact, it is the conservatives who argued against NATO expansion. 

Entire villages in Ukraine are full of widows thanks to this bullshit expansionist American policy. 

Having Trump would put an end to this so that even more women and children will not lose their fathers and husbands.

If some Americans get fucked over with Trump, I will consider it acceptable compared to the plight of having young men getting killed in wars. They also have families and people they love. Maybe spend some time thinking about them too. 

16 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

It's the equivalent of thinking that Germans in 1930s are getting thier 'just desserts' for World War 1, not recognizing the gravity of a vengeful dictator for people outside of Germany.

Do you think the average nazi who silently supported Hitler should face consequences, even though he did no crime on his own? Afterall it is Hitler govt who orchestrated all the crimes while those who elected him sat on the sidelines and watched. 

If you think the average Nazi is innocent, then so are the average Americans for the crimes of the state. 

The real world is such that all citizens would have to face the consequences of their govt. See that it is a natural progression of the consequences of their own actions. 

If there is no pain, what is the incentive to stop the subversive activities abroad? This is the self-correcting mechanism of the universe at play so that US does not cause too much chaos abroad. 

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

2 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Leftist progressives do support American imperialism by supporting NATO expansion. In fact, it is the conservatives who argued against NATO expansion. 

Entire villages in Ukraine are full of widows thanks to this bullshit expansionist American policy. 

Having Trump would put an end to this so that even more women and children will not lose their fathers and husbands.

If some Americans get fucked over with Trump, I will consider it acceptable compared to the plight of having young men getting killed in wars. They also have families and people they love. Maybe spend some time thinking about them too. 

Do you think the average nazi who silently supported Hitler should face consequences, even though he did no crime on his own? Afterall it is Hitler govt who orchestrated all the crimes while those who elected him sat on the sidelines and watched. 

If you think the average Nazi is innocent, then so are the average Americans for the crimes of the state. 

The real world is such that all citizens would have to face the consequences of their govt. See that it is a natural progression of the consequences of their own actions. 

If there is no pain, what is the incentive to stop the subversive activities abroad? This is the self-correcting mechanism of the universe at play so that US does not cause too much chaos abroad. 

   Well technically it Zilenski that's more to blame for thinking he can trust the USA to provide the support he imagined, which didn't happen at his expectations. Zelinski was democratically elected, well I think the Ukraine should vote him out, or get him out by force for being so influenced by American ideology. And like I said in the past, Ukraine not arming itself with nukes, letting the UK/EU/NATO nuclear disarmament give them a false sense of security, they went along with it to let NATO deal with it. Well that didn't go well did it?😂

[aurum]

The US is not uniquely corrupt. It simply has more power to abuse because it has been so successful.

No third world country can instigate a coup against a first-world country because they have no power to do so. But they would if they could.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023

Edited July 7, 2024 by aurum

[Danioover9000]

   I'm sorry, but I do agree with Andrew that presidential debate was BS, and Trump won on rhetoric alone!

 

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, aurum said:

The US is not uniquely corrupt. It simply has more power to abuse because it has been so successful.

No third world country can instigate a coup against a first-world country because they have no power to do so. But they would if they could.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023

Great point.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The supreme court can easily strike down democratic reforms simply because they can and nothing more needs to be said.

That is the corruption Trump caused. And he will cause much more if reelected.

[Danioover9000]

@aurum

37 minutes ago, aurum said:

The US is not uniquely corrupt. It simply has more power to abuse because it has been so successful.

No third world country can instigate a coup against a first-world country because they have no power to do so. But they would if they could.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023

   Sure, and maybe because of the fall of the USSR, it's relative competitive peer and empire, USA just has nothing much to do due to it's technological superiority, tech power, number and advanced military as well. I have played enough Civ games to let you know that out of say a 6 player free for all, if it came down to last 3 or 2 players, the one civ with the massive advantage to science, research, and bigger army just wins long term or as time goes on, and usually most players especially in multiplier online quit. USA in reality doesn't have the option to quit, or idle, it has to invent worthy foes and enemies out there for America to stay relevant in this world.

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Raze JFK?

Yes, Obama assassinated JFK.

[Danioover9000]

@Raze

54 minutes ago, Raze said:

Yes, Obama assassinated JFK.

   Really though? Thought it was more the people running the military complex, did it cuz JFK was going to cut down on tax payer money funding the military complex.

[Merkabah Star]

Obama was born in 1961. JFK was assassinated in 1963.

Obama was great but even that’s a stretch for him. 🤠

[Bobby_2021]

13 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Bobby_2021

   Well technically it Zilenski that's more to blame for thinking he can trust the USA to provide the support he imagined, which didn't happen at his expectations. Zelinski was democratically elected, well I think the Ukraine should vote him out, or get him out by force for being so influenced by American ideology. And like I said in the past, Ukraine not arming itself with nukes, letting the UK/EU/NATO nuclear disarmament give them a false sense of security, they went along with it to let NATO deal with it. Well that didn't go well did it?😂

Ukraine got played by all sides, that's it's sad.

Zlinskyy is a puppet of the US backed NATO and the Nazi Azov Battalion the will end him if he doesn't listen to them.

How fucked can you get. 😭

His days are numbered for sure.

13 hours ago, aurum said:

The US is not uniquely corrupt. It simply has more power to abuse because it has been so successful.

No third world country can instigate a coup against a first-world country because they have no power to do so. But they would if they could.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023

The US, or more broadly, the west is uniquely corrupt in the way it abuses their power with neo colonial imperial style criminal domination.

Regime change operations, CIA backed coups, undermining democratic institutions, using non violent means of protest to smear civil unrest, using legal warfare to subvert democracy.

There are entire books written on this.

You do realise that these deplorable work has intellectual origins exclusively from the western unis and they will use any means necessary from military warfare to advanced methods like non violent protest to overthrow democracies. 

In that sense it's uniquely corrupt. 

The east will not stage coups "if they could". They can, but they will not. Democracy is the most fragile thing ever, if you know how it works.

The worst they do is to fund the opposition or sell weapons to your enemies. And that's where it ends. 

You are fearing that East will do to you what the west did to them. Which is a logical fear from your side, a case of projection.

But Eastern countries seek to stop the imperialism and instead compete on business/trade. You don't have to fear criminal domination from eastern countries.

Eastern countries don't have a history of imperialism, with the exception of Japan who is still nowhere close to Western imperialism. We keep the matters to ourselves, and that has been our nature, historically.

[Alex4]

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Ukraine got played by all sides, that's it's sad.

Zlinskyy is a puppet of the US backed NATO and the Nazi Azov Battalion the will end him if he doesn't listen to them.

How fucked can you get. 😭

His days are numbered for sure.

The US, or more broadly, the west is uniquely corrupt in the way it abuses their power with neo colonial imperial style criminal domination.

Regime change operations, CIA backed coups, undermining democratic institutions, using non violent means of protest to smear civil unrest, using legal warfare to subvert democracy.

There are entire books written on this.

You do realise that these deplorable work has intellectual origins exclusively from the western unis and they will use any means necessary from military warfare to advanced methods like non violent protest to overthrow democracies. 

In that sense it's uniquely corrupt. 

The east will not stage coups "if they could". They can, but they will not. Democracy is the most fragile thing ever, if you know how it works.

The worst they do is to fund the opposition or sell weapons to your enemies. And that's where it ends. 

You are fearing that East will do to you what the west did to them. Which is a logical fear from your side, a case of projection.

But Eastern countries seek to stop the imperialism and instead compete on business/trade. You don't have to fear criminal domination from eastern countries.

Eastern countries don't have a history of imperialism, with the exception of Japan who is still nowhere close to Western imperialism. We keep the matters to ourselves, and that has been our nature, historically.

There are many documented cases in history of empires in the East such Persian and later Parthian Empire. 

The West has promoted more coups primarily because it has more resources. Additionally, it has created more advanced societies in their own country that independent kingdoms have wanted to replicate. It's also important to note that interventions in foreign countries do not originate from Western governments. It is almost always the opposition in terribly poor and corrupt countries that first requests foreign intervention.

It makes sense that if you achieve a society with the highest living standards in the world (despite its numerous flaws), other countries will seek help from you rather than from a developing country like Russia or China.

To clarify I am not advocating for imperialism, I believe it has been quite demonstrated that this type of policy ends up being counterproductive.

 

Edited July 8, 2024 by Alex4

[Danioover9000]

@Alex4

1 hour ago, Alex4 said:

There are many documented cases in history of empires in the East such Persian and later Parthian Empire. 

The West has promoted more coups primarily because it has more resources. Additionally, it has created more advanced societies in their own country that independent kingdoms have wanted to replicate. It's also important to note that interventions in foreign countries do not originate from Western governments. It is almost always the opposition in terribly poor and corrupt countries that first requests foreign intervention.

It makes sense that if you achieve a society with the highest living standards in the world (despite its numerous flaws), other countries will seek help from you rather than from a developing country like Russia or China.

To clarify I am not advocating for imperialism, I believe it has been quite demonstrated that this type of policy ends up being counterproductive.

 

   I'd argue that coups even predate Imperialism and western colonization. Coups been happening since ancient China. Even espionage existed during the bible times. It's the one critique I have with the civ series, even if you enable espionage it only starts at Renaissance???Dude spies been used since ancient!

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

[Hatfort]

A week later Biden has an interview. Those are made to help with a candidate's image, even if some difficult questions are asked, they are kind of expected and prepared. His performance was terrible again, his voice is so low and unclear sometimes, and his answers are not very good. He gets lost in his thoughts while talking many times. It was not a bad night, he has to go. 

He says he'll only quit if the almighty god asks him so.

 

[Danioover9000]

@Hatfort

6 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

A week later Biden has an interview. Those are made to help with a candidate's image, even if some difficult questions are asked, they are kind of expected and prepared. His performance was terrible again, his voice is so low and unclear sometimes, and his answers are not very good. He gets lost in his thoughts while talking many times. It was not a bad night, he has to go. 

He says he'll only quit if the almighty god asks him so.

 

   While I have some mixed views on Hasan, I do agree with his takes here. Biden's gotta go and get replaced with some one better.

[Raze]

… he’s seriously saying he can’t drop out because it would be disrespecting the primary voters when they essentially cancelled the primary 

[hundreth]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

… he’s seriously saying he can’t drop out because it would be disrespecting the primary voters when they essentially cancelled the primary 

I stopped caring.

I'm looking for property in Costa Rica now. Pura Vida.