SG: "For most people, the time of Enlightment is the same time of leaving the body."

[Javfly33]

If you think you are enlightened because you realised "no-self" or even you 'think' You are God, is much much much more radical.

Imagine a Self Realization so potent and clear, that you can not hold the human form anymore because is so clear for you what this present moment is. 

Since imagination was constructing and maintaining the body, when imagination is completely trascended, then naturally the illusion ends. 

[emil1234]

sadhguru is such a lord

[Ishanga]

Yes I would agree as far as I can tell, the body and energy system have to be set up properly, random Kundalini awakenings for ppl not prepared is dangerous and causes allot of pain for them, their nervous system is burned up, I think it is rare for most ppl if it happens that they really get Enlighened that they drop the body, the masters like SAdhguru have mastery over it, they either create their own karma consciously or know the tricks of the body and mind/energy systems.  When he consecrated the Dylanalinga he almost died, he energy body was pretty well destroyed, he need the aid of others to stay on as he has been,,, 

At the Ashram in India, the Brahmacharya are held back from what I understand from getting to the point of leaving their bodies, he wants them around on the planet to do work and to balance things out karmically... 

Edited June 24 by Ishanga

[What Am I]

I didn't see the clip in question, but I wonder if he was talking about the opportunity for enlightenment afforded to everyone at the time of physical death. It's described in the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

Here's a quick summary:

The First Stage: The Clear Light immediately after death, the individual’s consciousness is said to experience a brief period of clarity and awareness, known as the “clear light.” This is considered a crucial moment, as it is believed that one can achieve liberation from the cycle of rebirth if they recognize and cultivate this clear light.

The Second Stage: The Bardo After the clear light, the individual’s consciousness enters a state known as the “bardo,” or intermediate state. During this period, the individual is said to experience a series of visions and emotions, which are believed to be influenced by their past karma. The bardo is a critical period, as it is thought that one’s future rebirth is determined during this time.

The Third Stage: Rebirth After the bardo, the individual’s consciousness is reborn into a new body, either human or non-human, depending on their karma. The Tibetan Book of the Dead provides guidance on how to navigate this process and achieve a positive rebirth.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, What Am I said:

This is considered a crucial moment, as it is believed that one can achieve liberation from the cycle of rebirth if they recognize and cultivate this clear light.

That's the most crazy idea in Buddhism. If at some point you manage to stop the cycles, what? Are there no more cycles? who doesn't have them? who had them? If there are no more, it means there never was any

Edited June 24 by Breakingthewall

[What Am I]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's the most crazy idea in Buddhism. If at some point you manage to stop the cycles, what? Are there no more cycles? who doesn't have them? who had them? If there are no more, it means there never was any

Right, it's definitely incomprehensible lol. Such a mindfuck. Though after everything I've experienced, I have faith that they're pointing to a literal phenomenon, even if it's beyond me for the moment. Like a moth to the flame, I keep aiming in that direction.

[Inliytened1]

5 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

If you think you are enlightened because you realised "no-self" or even you 'think' You are God, is much much much more radical.

Imagine a Self Realization so potent and clear, that you can not hold the human form anymore because is so clear for you what this present moment is. 

Since imagination was constructing and maintaining the body, when imagination is completely trascended, then naturally the illusion ends. 

When you enter Divine Consciousness you really do become formless.  The visual field is still there but whether you are still in physical form or not really doesn't matter.   It's called ego death because what dies isn't the body because you never were the body.  You weren't even a soul.  So why do you assume you have to permanently and totally exit the dream to experience death?  You don't. 

Edited June 25 by Inliytened1

[Ishanga]

2 hours ago, What Am I said:

I didn't see the clip in question, but I wonder if he was talking about the opportunity for enlightenment afforded to everyone at the time of physical death. It's described in the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

Here's a quick summary:

The First Stage: The Clear Light immediately after death, the individual’s consciousness is said to experience a brief period of clarity and awareness, known as the “clear light.” This is considered a crucial moment, as it is believed that one can achieve liberation from the cycle of rebirth if they recognize and cultivate this clear light.

The Second Stage: The Bardo After the clear light, the individual’s consciousness enters a state known as the “bardo,” or intermediate state. During this period, the individual is said to experience a series of visions and emotions, which are believed to be influenced by their past karma. The bardo is a critical period, as it is thought that one’s future rebirth is determined during this time.

The Third Stage: Rebirth After the bardo, the individual’s consciousness is reborn into a new body, either human or non-human, depending on their karma. The Tibetan Book of the Dead provides guidance on how to navigate this process and achieve a positive rebirth.

How Shiva Mastered Death | #ShivaLivingDeath

Sadhguru explains one aspect of being a yogi, and gives us a process to become a mrityunjaya, a deathless being.

 

He talks about how we are given practice for death when we go into deep sleep every night, most of us are asleep totally, but you can become aware enough that one part of You is always awake, and he talks about there is only Life and More Life, its a dimensional shift, when the body is dropped at Enlightenment a shift in dimensions happens, for some they loose all individuality and merge with the Absolute/God/Brahman, that's it for them, others merge to other sorts of dimensions, and others still choose to come back for more work on this plane, all of it is Life, or what I would label as Possibility, all of it is there, don't pigeon hole Yourselves into "Its only this way and that's it" because then You have created a belief system or conclusion which is not Absolute, rather that is just Human notions using logic and intellect to try to understand and comprehend ...

 

Edited June 25 by Ishanga

[What Am I]

If you read the possibilities you listed, they actually line up pretty well with the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

I do take your point though. It'd be foolish to cling on to any of this, thereby creating a type of limited view from an imperfect source. The transcendent experience itself would be an infinitely better guide.

It's a good reminder to not concentrate on the finger.

 

27 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

for some they loose all individuality and merge with the Absolute/God/Brahman

The First Stage: The Clear Light immediately after death, the individual’s consciousness is said to experience a brief period of clarity and awareness, known as the “clear light.” This is considered a crucial moment, as it is believed that one can achieve liberation from the cycle of rebirth if they recognize and cultivate this clear light.

27 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

others merge to other sorts of dimensions

The Second Stage: The Bardo After the clear light, the individual’s consciousness enters a state known as the “bardo,” or intermediate state. During this period, the individual is said to experience a series of visions and emotions, which are believed to be influenced by their past karma. The bardo is a critical period, as it is thought that one’s future rebirth is determined during this time.

27 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

others still choose to come back for more work on this plane

The Third Stage: Rebirth After the bardo, the individual’s consciousness is reborn into a new body, either human or non-human, depending on their karma. The Tibetan Book of the Dead provides guidance on how to navigate this process and achieve a positive rebirth.

Edited June 25 by What Am I

[Javfly33]

14 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

When you enter Divine Consciousness you really do become formless.  The visual field is still there but whether you are still in physical form or not really doesn't matter.   It's called ego death because what dies isn't the body because you never were the body.  You weren't even a soul.  So why do you assume you have to permanently and totally exit the dream to experience death?  You don't. 

@Inliytened1

There is no death.

Just Freedom or Entanglement.

 

Until all parts of Infinity do not unify themselves we can not advance into the next Creation. 

With karma, unification can not happen.

 

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's the most crazy idea in Buddhism. If at some point you manage to stop the cycles, what? Are there no more cycles? who doesn't have them? who had them? If there are no more, it means there never was any

 

14 hours ago, What Am I said:

Right, it's definitely incomprehensible lol. Such a mindfuck. Though after everything I've experienced, I have faith that they're pointing to a literal phenomenon, even if it's beyond me for the moment. Like a moth to the flame, I keep aiming in that direction.

@Breakingthewall @What Am I

From the information that has gone into my system recently, I think it goes even more crazy.

You stop your cycles on THIS CREATION. 

But there are more. But to first end this current Creation, first all parts of infinity have to dissolve their karma.

The karma has been picked up by the consciousness from the start of the creation. 

Everything that we know (from big bang) is still one Creation, but there are more to come. 

Edited June 25 by Javfly33

[What Am I]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

From the information that has gone into my system recently, I think it goes even more crazy.

You stop your cycles on THIS CREATION. 

But there are more. But to first end this current Creation, first all parts of infinity have to dissolve their karma.

The karma has been picked up by the consciousness from the start of the creation. 

Everything that we know (from big bang) is still one Creation, but there are more to come.

Wild stuff indeed. I wonder how long it'd take to dissolve all that karma, and I wonder what'd happen then? It appears to be some kind of endless game.

[gettoefl]

15 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

When you enter Divine Consciousness you really do become formless.  The visual field is still there but whether you are still in physical form or not really doesn't matter.   It's called ego death because what dies isn't the body because you never were the body.  You weren't even a soul.  So why do you assume you have to permanently and totally exit the dream to experience death?  You don't. 

halt body awareness

which means sit still

do nothing

now is no past no future

one moment in time

this is called holy instant

one reached can always

be returned to if lost

speaking of which something to enjoy:

 

 

[Javfly33]

4 hours ago, What Am I said:

Wild stuff indeed. I wonder how long it'd take to dissolve all that karma, and I wonder what'd happen then? It appears to be some kind of endless game.

More that endless game seems like Evolution. We must keep ourselves open minded!

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I wonder how long it'd take to dissolve all that karma

I think more than time needs an intention.

Your karma is written in the structure of reality. So you need a strong intention to dissolve it.

Karma is saved from reincarnation to reincarnation. When you dissolve it, reincarnation stops, you merge with the Infinite and enjoy pure Death-Ecstatic Bliss. 

Then when all memories of God are dissolved, then the next Creation begins. 

 

People don´t get how deep this goes! And that there is work to do right now if we want to advance. 

Let´s not let in the hands of any imaginary God what is really in our hands. We are Dreaming this UP. 

 

Edited June 25 by Javfly33

[What Am I]

8 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Then when all memories of God are dissolved, then the next Creation begins.

[Keryo Koffa]

If we're just rushing into the next creation, will we rush that one also? And the one beyond that? And the next one too? And so forth for infinity? When will we be content?

The question is: did reality start out of ignorance which is why we want to surpass it or is this experience a conscious decision of a higher self to immersivity experience an individuation and add that unique experience to creation as we ascend back into it?

Is it merely the end of suffering or an expansion of freedom we want because we experienced enough of the kinds of experiences available here to grow us spiritually?

I personally want to make new experiences here, but I see how they can multiply infinitely and greater awareness will expand my limited paradigm which I want to be as vast and limitless as possible, I don't want to miss a greater aspect because I keep subdividing what is already a subsection. There is much karma I collected over my life that I want to consciously let go of before I leave this realm, but maybe I can do that from an elevated perspective as well, in truth I don't know, that's what I wanna find out

[Javfly33]

23 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

If we're just rushing into the next creation, will we rush that one also? And the one beyond that? And the next one too? And so forth for infinity? When will we be content?

The question is: did reality start out of ignorance which is why we want to surpass it or is this experience a conscious decision of a higher self to immersivity experience an individuation and add that unique experience to creation as we ascend back into it?

Is it merely the end of suffering or an expansion of freedom we want because we experienced enough of the kinds of experiences available here to grow us spiritually?

 

I would bet for that. 

The Infinite is a constant process of evolution and more and more consciousness. 

 

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If we're just rushing into the next creation, will we rush that one also? And the one beyond that? And the next one too? And so forth for infinity? When will we be content?

Well, well, well. I´ve had enough circles on this creation, for me is not rushing. This is my last one. But I´m not saying yours have to be. 

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Keryo Koffa said:

If we're just rushing into the next creation, will we rush that one also? And the one beyond that? And the next one too? And so forth for infinity? When will we be content?

The question is: did reality start out of ignorance which is why we want to surpass it or is this experience a conscious decision of a higher self to immersivity experience an individuation and add that unique experience to creation as we ascend back into it?

Is it merely the end of suffering or an expansion of freedom we want because we experienced enough of the kinds of experiences available here to grow us spiritually?

I personally want to make new experiences here, but I see how they can multiply infinitely and greater awareness will expand my limited paradigm which I want to be as vast and limitless as possible, I don't want to miss a greater aspect because I keep subdividing what is already a subsection. There is much karma I collected over my life that I want to consciously let go of before I leave this realm, but maybe I can do that from an elevated perspective as well, in truth I don't know, that's what I wanna find out

The time of physical death and the time one gets a new body can be immediate or it can take 500yrs, there is no time in that realm, as if You had no body or mind, how would  you feel any sort of time lapse?

[gettoefl]

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You have made much progress and are really trying to make still more, but there is one thing you have never done: Not for one instant have you utterly forgotten the body. It fades at times from your sight, but it has not yet completely disappeared. You are not asked to let this happen for more than one instant, but it is in this instant that the miracle unfolds. Afterwards you will see the body again, but never quite the same. And now every instant that you spend without awareness of it gives you a different view of it when you return.

At no single instant does the body exist at all. It is always remembered or anticipated, but never experienced just now. Only its past and its future make it seem real. Time controls it entirely, for separation is not possible in the present. Ego has no attraction right now. Its whole attraction is imaginary, and therefore has to be thought of from the past or in the future.

It is impossible to receive a holy instant without reservation unless, for just an instant, you are willing to see no past or future. To do this you need but remember you need do nothing. It would be far more profitable now merely to concentrate on this than to consider what you should do.

"I need do nothing” is a statement of sacred allegiance, a truly undivided loyalty. Believe it for just one instant, and you will accomplish more than is given to a century of contemplation or of struggle against temptation.

To do involves the body. And if you recognize you need do nothing, you have hereby withdrawn the body’s value from your mind. Here is the quick and open door through which you slip past centuries of effort, and exit time. This is the way in which illusion loses all attraction right now, for here is time denied, and past and future gone. Who need do nothing has no need for time.

To do nothing is to rest, and make a place within you where the activity of the body ceases to demand attention. Into this place the Holy Spirit comes and there abides. ³He will remain when you forget, and the body’s activities return to occupy your conscious mind. But now there will always be this place of rest to which you can return. And you will be more aware of the quiet center of of the storm than all its raging activity. This quiet center, in which you do nothing, will remain with you, giving you rest in the midst of every busy doing on which you are sent. For from this center will you be directed how to use the body flawlessly. It is this center, from which the body is absent, that will keep it so in your awareness of it.