Trump is going to win the election

[Danioover9000]

@aurum

17 minutes ago, aurum said:

This is foolish.

If you think American foreign policy is bad now, under Trump it will only get worse.

   What is up with all this fear mongering over Trump? I think if he's in charge there'll be a smaller, limited form of democracy.  A half autocratic and half democratic government.

[aurum]

4 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@aurum

   What is up with all this fear mongering over Trump? I think if he's in charge there'll be a smaller, limited form of democracy.  A half autocratic and half democratic government.

Oh, just a half autocratic government. I see.

Here’s how to understand Trump: he will seize whatever power he possibly can.

This is not an overreaction. This is exactly what he has proven through his own behavior. And there are many that would support him in doing just that.

The ONLY reason he is not dictator now is because the US had enough checks and balances to prevent it. But they will be targeted moving forward.

If you think Trump is just going to go home after his next four year term, you are mistaken. It was obvious that a peaceful transition of power after his first term would be tenuous. Now it will be even worse.

[Danioover9000]

@aurum

45 minutes ago, aurum said:

Oh, just a half autocratic government. I see.

Here’s how to understand Trump: he will seize whatever power he possibly can.

This is not an overreaction. This is exactly what he has proven through his own behavior. And there are many that would support him in doing just that.

The ONLY reason he is not dictator now is because the US had enough checks and balances to prevent it. But they will be targeted moving forward.

If you think Trump is just going to go home after his next four year term, you are mistaken. It was obvious that a peaceful transition of power after his first term would be tenuous. Now it will be even worse.

   Yes, just half of a democracy, like the Romans. A true republic government, a smaller and limited democracy is needed in the face of too much multiculturalism, egalitarianism when in some cases it doesn't work, and too much feminism when it doesn't work across to other countries.

   Just like past leaders, dictators. Nothing new here. In fact in recent polls Trump isn't as popular as he started 4 years back, so this whole fear mongering by the left is a waste of time, he's unlikely to win. In fact why the fear mongering at all, especially from Biden's side when he's already now unpopular enough not to win?

 

[DocWatts]

23 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@aurum

   Yes, just half of a democracy, like the Romans. A true republic government, a smaller and limited democracy is needed in the face of too much multiculturalism, egalitarianism when in some cases it doesn't work, and too much feminism when it doesn't work across to other countries.

   Just like past leaders, dictators. Nothing new here. In fact in recent polls Trump isn't as popular as he started 4 years back, so this whole fear mongering by the left is a waste of time, he's unlikely to win. In fact why the fear mongering at all, especially from Biden's side when he's already now unpopular enough not to win?

 

In political science, the term for a mixed authoritarian-democratic form of government is known as a 'hybrid regime'. In a modern context, they're a function of failed democracy . They're not a state of affairs that we should aspire to - and they're certainly not some higher, more conscious 'synthesis' between autocracy and democracy.

They are what happens when democratic institutions, and the civil society that supports those institutions, weaken to the point where an unaccountable elite (whether that's an individual or a small group) is able to place themselves above the law, and game the system to stay in power. 

Edited July 3 by DocWatts

[aurum]

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

Yes, just half of a democracy, like the Romans. A true republic government, a smaller and limited democracy is needed in the face of too much multiculturalism, egalitarianism when in some cases it doesn't work, and too much feminism when it doesn't work across to other countries.

Trump agenda has nothing to do with creating an enlightened balance of liberalism and conservatism.

We attempt to do that kind of SD Tier 2 thinking on this forum. But that's not what this is.

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

 Just like past leaders, dictators. 

Yes, that's what makes it bad.

It's very obvious from studying history what the problems of dictatorships are. And why the US Founding Fathers themselves went to great lengths to ensure that power would not end up being concentrated in the hands of one person or even a few people.

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

 Nothing new here.

It doesn't need to be new to be a problem.

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

 In fact in recent polls Trump isn't as popular as he started 4 years back, so this whole fear mongering by the left is a waste of time, he's unlikely to win. In fact why the fear mongering at all, especially from Biden's side when he's already now unpopular enough not to win?

Because the SCOTUS just granted Trump a form of presidential immunity from being held liable to the law. This is a huge deal.

Also, many people are concerned over Biden's recent debate performance and are questioning his ability to win.

The reality is that there are all kinds of predictions and interpretations of the polling out there. We don't know who is going to win. But a Trump victory is certainly not out of the realm of possibility, not even by a long shot. Therefore it must be taken seriously, especially when the stakes are so high if he wins.

3 hours ago, DocWatts said:

In political science, the term for a mixed authoritarian-democratic form of government is known as a 'hybrid regime'. In a modern context, they're a function of failed democracy . They're not a state of affairs that we should aspire to - and they're certainly not some higher, more conscious 'synthesis' between autocracy and democracy.

They are what happens when democratic institutions, and the civil society that supports those institutions, weaken to the point where an unaccountable elite (whether that's an individual or a small group) is able to place themselves above the law, and game the system to stay in power. 

+1

[soos_mite_ah]

How I'm feeling after the debate, people trying to get Biden to stop running and replace him (as they should), everything that is happening with foreign policy and the culture war, and the most recent supreme court decision: 

 

Edited July 4 by soos_mite_ah

[Bobby_2021]

11 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Bobby_2021

   Are you hoping Trump will win the elections? I don't mind.

Yes. That would put an end to US interference in Indian elections and policy. The Dems hate Modi and want him ousted from power and replace him with a weak feminist, so that they can get their way. Trump is a lot more sympathetic to Modi. There has been a covert attempt to subvert the recent Indian democracy and undermine out elections. I cannot tolerate this. 

10 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Bobby_2021    Plus I don't like the latest blog posts. Sounds like he's off his meds or something, Jesus.

He is overblowing it a little bit, but I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt. 

10 hours ago, aurum said:

This is foolish.

If you think American foreign policy is bad now, under Trump it will only get worse.

How worse can it get? We already have a needless war that could have been stopped with a simple negotiation.

Just because Biden is a weak senile man does not mean that he is not capable of causing destruction across the world. The lives of hundreds and thousands of men could have been saved by negotiating with Russia, but they did not do it out of sheer arrogance. And now we are in the brink of WW3 with US weapons directly striking inside Russia.

[Bobby_2021]

10 hours ago, aurum said:

Oh, just a half autocratic government. I see.

Here’s how to understand Trump: he will seize whatever power he possibly can.

This is not an overreaction. This is exactly what he has proven through his own behavior. And there are many that would support him in doing just that.

The ONLY reason he is not dictator now is because the US had enough checks and balances to prevent it. But they will be targeted moving forward.

If you think Trump is just going to go home after his next four year term, you are mistaken. It was obvious that a peaceful transition of power after his first term would be tenuous. Now it will be even worse.

Many Americans might get fucked over due to this clown.

That is an acceptable cost to not killing hundreds and thousands of men in needless war and toppling democracies across the world in which the CIA backed Biden administration has been flagrantly engaged in.

[zazen]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Many Americans might get fucked over due to this clown.

That is an acceptable cost to not killing hundreds and thousands of men in needless war and toppling democracies across the world in which the CIA backed Biden administration has been flagrantly engaged in.

Ironically one nation's collapse is another's liberation. After decades of playing world police, judge, and jury, America might just find out what it's like to be on the receiving end of "regime change." The American people are as much a victim of their own empire as are the people outside of its borders.

The world's self-appointed police force may not be finally hanging up their badge and gun as they are turning their attention to their own home turf as civil chaos emerges. For some across the world watching America weaken is a fever dream, whilst for others its a sigh of relief that America doesn't 'intervene' in their affairs.

[Bobby_2021]

59 minutes ago, zazen said:

Ironically one nation's collapse is another's liberation. After decades of playing world police, judge, and jury, America might just find out what it's like to be on the receiving end of "regime change." The American people are as much a victim of their own empire as are the people outside of its borders.

Sweet poetic justice I must say. 

Although I do not know if I am willing to forgive the American people just as easily either. They are useful idiots for the alphabet agencies. The average Nazi soldier probably did not commit many crimes and were helpless in the larger Nazi system. Does that mean that those small soldiers should be forgiven? I do not know. A good portion of the Americans even think they have the right to do that. 

1 hour ago, zazen said:

For some across the world watching America weaken is a fever dream, whilst for others its a sigh of relief that America doesn't 'intervene' in their affairs.

It is more about maintaining the social order in my country to be honest. The last election cycle saw a targeted attack to subvert the Indian elections and if it were not for the competence of the Intelligence unit, we could have been in a very bad place. 

https://www.thehindu.com/elections/lok-sabha/openai-says-stalled-attempts-by-israel-based-company-to-interfere-in-indian-elections/article68237334.ece

I cannot imagine the social turmoil we would have had to go through if our elections were actually overturned. We all saw what happened on Jan 6. Something like that happening in India would be 10 times worse for out system as a whole. 

They will keep pulling off this covert operation until every country has a weak pathetic feminist in power so that they can push them over and get their way. They hate anyone with balls like Modi or Putin. 

[Vrubel]

1 hour ago, zazen said:

Ironically one nation's collapse is another's liberation. After decades of playing world police, judge, and jury, America might just find out what it's like to be on the receiving end of "regime change." The American people are as much a victim of their own empire as are the people outside of its borders.

The world's self-appointed police force may not be finally hanging up their badge and gun as they are turning their attention to their own home turf as civil chaos emerges. For some across the world watching America weaken is a fever dream, whilst for others its a sigh of relief that America doesn't 'intervene' in their affairs.

America is not going to weaken in any significant way. You being gleeful about it is kinda cringe and speaks of bad character. Be grateful that Russia or China is not your main world leader. I am not sure if Trump is going to win this election but it seems like he will and I don't think much will happen in the grand scheme of things apart from a white house shithow and sensationalized media coverage. America is still the world's greatest innovator and biggest producer and magnet to the world's most skillful and talented people. The only thing that fundamentally changed and is increasingly changing is that the worldwide geopolitical situation is now less stable and peaceful. Mainly due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and China's increasing willingness to take Taiwan using force. Both Russia and China and I would add Iran are regressive expansionist forces that need to be contained for the sake of world stability and prosperity.

[Bobby_2021]

14 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

Iran are regressive expansionist forces that need to be contained for the sake of world stability and prosperity.

Do you even know how Iran became so "regressive"?

Because of the CIA coup of their democratically elected president in 1953. Which led to Islamic revolution in 1979 which made them regressive.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-1953-coup-cia-218323db3cc1aca6bde1e54827527e8d

Had united states not interfered in such reckless ways, women could have walked the streets with bikinis in Iran.

United States is the major threat to world peace. All great empires ride high off their own success before they collapse. So enjoy while you are at it.

[Hatfort]

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

America is not going to weaken in any significant way. You being gleeful about it is kinda cringe and speaks of bad character. Be grateful that Russia or China is not your main world leader. I am not sure if Trump is going to win this election but it seems like he will and I don't think much will happen in the grand scheme of things apart from a white house shithow and sensationalized media coverage. America is still the world's greatest innovator and biggest producer and magnet to the world's most skillful and talented people. The only thing that fundamentally changed and is increasingly changing is that the worldwide geopolitical situation is now less stable and peaceful. Mainly due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and China's increasing willingness to take Taiwan using force. Both Russia and China and I would add Iran are regressive expansionist forces that need to be contained for the sake of world stability and prosperity.

Taiwan is recognized even by America as part of China, it doesn't have to take it using force. Maybe Taiwan has a rightful claim for independence, I'm not well informed, I cannot say one way or the other. But what I can say from a real-politics point of view is that China isn't going to allow it. Taiwan has some autonomy from the rest of China, but that's all China is going to allow for now, and if NATO tries to interfere in that, they are going to use force to avoid it if they have to, no doubt.

Also, the United States of America is not the world's greatest innovator or producer anymore, it's actually China. China is not doing wrong, as I see some media saying, and some comments in this forum too. It's growing fairly well. America has lost its north, even infrastructure investment receives big backlash like it's a bad thing, and a considerable part of its population is struggling with basic things like housing, healthcare, and debt. Trump will make all that even worse, he'll benefit a bit from his previous term's inertia, like the Republicans always do. You can thank Biden for some economic growth, cutting ties between UE and Russia using the Ukraine war context. Now Europe depends more on the USA, buys more expensive gas from them. Europe is getting the worst deal of all, I don't know if its politicians are sold willingly or if they are just that stupid.

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

6 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Yes. That would put an end to US interference in Indian elections and policy. The Dems hate Modi and want him ousted from power and replace him with a weak feminist, so that they can get their way. Trump is a lot more sympathetic to Modi. There has been a covert attempt to subvert the recent Indian democracy and undermine out elections. I cannot tolerate this. 

He is overblowing it a little bit, but I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt. 

How worse can it get? We already have a needless war that could have been stopped with a simple negotiation.

Just because Biden is a weak senile man does not mean that he is not capable of causing destruction across the world. The lives of hundreds and thousands of men could have been saved by negotiating with Russia, but they did not do it out of sheer arrogance. And now we are in the brink of WW3 with US weapons directly striking inside Russia.

   And this is why I want America to downsize it's democracy to a hybrid form of autocracy and democracy, like the Roman empire. We in times of peace can switch on democracy, but in times of war we need a strong minded leader. There's just too much multiculturalism, feminism, egalitarianism, hyper capitalism run amok, with hyper individualism in USA, and frankly now most westernized societies are suffering from this American ideology. We desperately need to roll back and limit democracy.

[Danioover9000]

@aurum

12 hours ago, aurum said:

Trump agenda has nothing to do with creating an enlightened balance of liberalism and conservatism.

We attempt to do that kind of SD Tier 2 thinking on this forum. But that's not what this is.

Yes, that's what makes it bad.

It's very obvious from studying history what the problems of dictatorships are. And why the US Founding Fathers themselves went to great lengths to ensure that power would not end up being concentrated in the hands of one person or even a few people.

It doesn't need to be new to be a problem.

Because the SCOTUS just granted Trump a form of presidential immunity from being held liable to the law. This is a huge deal.

Also, many people are concerned over Biden's recent debate performance and are questioning his ability to win.

The reality is that there are all kinds of predictions and interpretations of the polling out there. We don't know who is going to win. But a Trump victory is certainly not out of the realm of possibility, not even by a long shot. Therefore it must be taken seriously, especially when the stakes are so high if he wins.

+1

   No, just no. Current polls still show Trump being not popular enough to win. And frankly the only way he'll win is if Biden fucks up, just like how Obama did on his last term, which gave Trump that opportunity. So no I don't buy into this fear mongering at all. Also I still stand by my point that we need a smaller limited democracy, and hybrid of autocracy and democracy. We need more senates seats and limited voting powers, and we need to review how voting is happening right now. There's just too much egalitarianism, multiculturalism, liberalism, and feminism run amok such that most westernized countries have increasing divorce rates, declines in birthrates. Also we should address Neoliberalism, but to do that we need a smaller limited democracy first.

[Vrubel]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Do you even know how Iran became so "regressive"?

Because of the CIA coup of their democratically elected president in 1953. Which led to Islamic revolution in 1979 which made them regressive.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-1953-coup-cia-218323db3cc1aca6bde1e54827527e8d

Had united states not interfered in such reckless ways, women could have walked the streets with bikinis in Iran.

United States is the major threat to world peace. All great empires ride high off their own success before they collapse. So enjoy while you are at it.

It's not the 80's cold war era anymore. Reality was different then, quite frankly the Middle East as an oil hub is less important now. America did some shady things with some Central American countries as well in the Cold War era. But again. America ain't that bad relative to the crook in Russia and authoritarian in China. 

 

55 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Taiwan is recognized even by America as part of China, it doesn't have to take it using force. Maybe Taiwan has a rightful claim for independence, I'm not well informed, I cannot say one way or the other. But what I can say from a real-politics point of view is that China isn't going to allow it. Taiwan has some autonomy from the rest of China, but that's all China is going to allow for now, and if NATO tries to interfere in that, they are going to use force to avoid it if they have to, no doubt.

Also, the United States of America is not the world's greatest innovator or producer anymore, it's actually China. China is not doing wrong, as I see some media saying, and some comments in this forum too. It's growing fairly well. America has lost its north, even infrastructure investment receives big backlash like it's a bad thing, and a considerable part of its population is struggling with basic things like housing, healthcare, and debt. Trump will make all that even worse, he'll benefit a bit from his previous term's inertia, like the Republicans always do. You can thank Biden for some economic growth, cutting ties between UE and Russia using the Ukraine war context. Now Europe depends more on the USA, buys more expensive gas from them. Europe is getting the worst deal of all, I don't know if its politicians are sold willingly or if they are just that stupid.

You guys are such alarmists. The whole vibe I get of some of you is one of fragility and being edgy and anti-mainstream just for the sake of it. Europe is adapting and doing fine. America will be fine, again the sheer quality of its people in industries like tech will keep it dominant for the foreseeable future. China too is doing relatively good though they can fuck this up for us all by invading Taiwan. China definitely has a bright future if they play their cards well and accept at least that aspect of the Western world order where powerful nation-states don't go to war against each other anymore. If Russia never invaded Ukraine and accepted the core aspects of the Western world order they also would have been much better off. 

Taiwan is de facto a highly functioning independent state, one of the best in the world in fact. There are some issues with semantics and formalities due to the massive economic blackmailing power that China has.

I honestly don't know that much about China, I bet they have a lot of very educated people too but I don't see them having the same political climate and capabilities of capitalizing on it as America. A lot of the most talented people in Asia, Russia and worldwide move to America. 


 

Edited July 4 by Vrubel

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

9 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

It's not the 80's cold war era anymore. Reality was different then, quite frankly the Middle East as an oil hub is less important now. America did some shady things with some Central American countries as well in the Cold War era. But again. America ain't that bad relative to the crook in Russia and authoritarian in China. 

 

You guys are such alarmists. The whole vibe I get of some of you is one of fragility and being edgy and anti-mainstream just for the sake of it. Europe is adapting and doing fine. America will be fine, again the sheer quality of its people in industries like tech will keep it dominant for the foreseeable future. China too is doing relatively good though they can fuck this up for us all by invading Taiwan. China definitely has a bright future if they play their cards well and accept at least that aspect of the Western world order where powerful nation-states don't go to war against each other anymore. If Russia never invaded Ukraine and accepted the core aspects of the Western world order they also would have been much better off. 

Taiwan is de facto a highly functioning independent state, one of the best in the world in fact. There are some issues with semantics and formalities due to the massive economic blackmailing power that China has.

I honestly don't know that much about China, I bet they have a lot of very educated people too but I don't see them having the same political climate and capabilities of capitalizing on it as America. A lot of the most talented people in Asia and worldwide move to America. 


 

   Yes, America is doing fine with it's decline in birthrates, high divorce rates, and breaking down of family and traditional values. It's fine with the multiculturalism, feminism, egalitarianism, and hyper capitalism running amok. It's great when it's spreading to other westernized countries. 

[Hatfort]

47 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

You guys are such alarmists. The whole vibe I get of some of you is one of fragility and being edgy and anti-mainstream just for the sake of it. Europe is adapting and doing fine. America will be fine, again the sheer quality of its people in industries like tech will keep it dominant for the foreseeable future. China too is doing relatively good though they can fuck this up for us all by invading Taiwan. China definitely has a bright future if they play their cards well and accept at least that aspect of the Western world order where powerful nation-states don't go to war against each other anymore. If Russia never invaded Ukraine and accepted the core aspects of the Western world order they also would have been much better off. 

Taiwan is de facto a highly functioning independent state, one of the best in the world in fact. There are some issues with semantics and formalities due to the massive economic blackmailing power that China has.

I honestly don't know that much about China, I bet they have a lot of very educated people too but I don't see them having the same political climate and capabilities of capitalizing on it as America. A lot of the most talented people in Asia, Russia and worldwide move to America.

Taiwan is not an independent country, it's part of China officially, and recognized like that by the world, including America. It has a recognized autonomy, which they could lose if they push too much. They won't achieve independence, China is too powerful, and they don't want it to happen.

If what I say sounded alarmist to you, be it. I think the West is losing its hegemony in the world, which from now on will be divided between more participants, China and Russia are getting into the game, on good terms with each other. The USA with its Europe little brother will still be powerful in the world, but I really think they have their internal problems that they are not addressing very well. A very impoverished population in benefit of a very small portion of higher class and company owners. The low birthrate is really a problem, but the explanation is not that there is too much diversity or feminism, it's that new generations have worse-paid jobs, the housing is getting sucked by private companies that want to leech people via rent in perpetuity, and other factors like student debt and struggles that previous generations did not have.

[zazen]

3 hours ago, Vrubel said:

America is not going to weaken in any significant way. You being gleeful about it is kinda cringe and speaks of bad character. Be grateful that Russia or China is not your main world leader. I am not sure if Trump is going to win this election but it seems like he will and I don't think much will happen in the grand scheme of things apart from a white house shithow and sensationalized media coverage. America is still the world's greatest innovator and biggest producer and magnet to the world's most skillful and talented people. The only thing that fundamentally changed and is increasingly changing is that the worldwide geopolitical situation is now less stable and peaceful. Mainly due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and China's increasing willingness to take Taiwan using force. Both Russia and China and I would add Iran are regressive expansionist forces that need to be contained for the sake of world stability and prosperity.

I was being hyperbolic with regards to saying collapse - more like decline in relative power. I'm not celebrating gleefully at this, but pointing out the fact that others do which is why i wrote ''for some across the world''. It's just highlighting the ironies and consequences of its foreign policies.

Where has China or Iran expanded with feet on the ground? Meanwhile, where has the US or NATO expanded with actual feet on the ground. When the West invades its called intervention, when it regimes changes or topples governments its called spreading democracy or a colour revolution - as colourful as their pride flag to make it look nice.

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

You guys are such alarmists. The whole vibe I get of some of you is one of fragility and being edgy and anti-mainstream just for the sake of it.

It's actually the West that are alarmist about the threat of other nations, even to the point of saying their at 'existential threat'. The problem is that the mainstream narrative within the West is detached from reality, the populace is marinating in propaganda by a complicit media on behalf of intelligence agencies and a network of vested interests. Pointing this out isn't trying to be edgy for the sake of it although their are people who crap on anything mainstream as bad or love being contrarian because it makes them feel special.

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

America did some shady things with some Central American countries as well in the Cold War era. But again. America ain't that bad relative to the crook in Russia and authoritarian in China.

Saying they "did some shady things with some Central American countries" is like saying Godzilla had a mild disagreement with Tokyo. Orchestrating coups, arming death squads, and toppling democratically elected governments is bad enough - the problem is their interventionism has persisted beyond just the Cold War era and beyond to other regions of the world. 

Why stop at Central America? Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos - the US turned the region into a testing ground for its latest murder gadgets. The Vietnam war was prompted by the false flag Gulf of Tonkin incident. Hiroshima was unnecessary. Then in more recent memory, they globe trotted across the Middle East with their "War on Terror". Two decades of turning countries into parking lots, all while fattening the wallets of defense contractors. Propping up extremist groups and ISIS who coincidentally only target US adversaries. ISIS always attacks Iran or the like recently they claimed the attack in Russia, but somehow never attack their sworn enemy Israel - not even a Israeli olive has been touched by them.

The issue many countries across the world have is that America goes across continents to places it has no business being in and often gets up to no good. If China, Russia and Iran did the same, they should also be critiqued and kicked out. Last I checked its called the South China Sea, not South American Sea - yet we got US ships posturing in waters closer to Beijing than Boston - again, who's a threat to who.

Edited July 4 by zazen

[Danioover9000]

@zazen

15 minutes ago, zazen said:

I was being hyperbolic with regards to saying collapse - more like decline in relative power. I'm not celebrating gleefully at this, but pointing out the fact that others do which is why i wrote ''for some across the world''. It's just highlighting the ironies and consequences of its foreign policies.

Where has China or Iran expanded with feet on the ground? Meanwhile, where has the US or NATO expanded with actual feet on the ground. When the West invades its called intervention, when it regimes changes or topples governments its called spreading democracy or a colour revolution - as colourful as their pride flag to make it look nice.

It's actually the West that are alarmist about the threat of other nations, even to the point of saying their at 'existential threat'. The problem is that the mainstream narrative within the West is detached from reality, the populace is marinating in propaganda by a complicit media on behalf of intelligence agencies and a network of vested interests. Pointing this out isn't trying to be edgy for the sake of it although their are people who crap on anything mainstream as bad or love being contrarian because it makes them feel special.

Saying they "did some shady things with some Central American countries" is like saying Godzilla had a mild disagreement with Tokyo. Orchestrating coups, arming death squads, and toppling democratically elected governments is bad enough - the problem is their interventionism has persisted beyond just the Cold War era and beyond to other regions of the world. 

Why stop at Central America? Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos - the US turned the region into a testing ground for its latest murder gadgets. The Vietnam war was prompted by the false flag Gulf of Tonkin incident. Hiroshima was unnecessary. Then in more recent memory, they globe trotted across the Middle East with their "War on Terror". Two decades of turning countries into parking lots, all while fattening the wallets of defense contractors. Propping up extremist groups and ISIS who coincidentally only target US adversaries. ISIS always attacks Iran or the like recently they claimed the attack in Russia, but somehow never attack their sworn enemy Israel - not even a Israeli olive has been touched by them.

The issue many countries across the world have is that America goes across continents to places it has no business being in and often gets up to no good. If China, Russia and Iran did the same, they should also be critiqued and kicked out. Last I checked its called the South China Sea, not South American Sea - yet we got US ships posturing in waters closer to Beijing than Boston - again, who's a threat to who.

   Yeah, Godzilla did have a minor disagreement with Japan, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Shame Americans then and some now did not figure out that Godzilla was the evil Americans that crippled Japan with it's nukes. It's not an allegory of nukes and radiation, it's an allegory of America bullying Japan into an unconditional surrender.

   Having said that, Imperial Japan is also fucked up, which makes this a hard argument to have because we're arguing at least between 2 empires that're evil in their ways, and having to choose which of the lesser to side with. Well, actually not a choice for Japan to adopt American ideology, it was forced onto them by that unconditional surrender.