Trump is going to win the election

[Something Funny]

1 minute ago, Starlight321 said:

 

Leo's defeniately changed and matured a lot over the years and is actually trying to help you.

You can clearly not see things as they are and meant. This here isn't meant to be a debate but to find out what is true.

Don't gaslight her.

[Starlight321]

@Something Funny

I don't mean to. But it's true and many here are gaslighting and projecting onto leo. 

Edited August 13, 2024 by Starlight321

[Something Funny]

@Starlight321 I think that she is justified in how she feels because there were issues with how Leo brought this topic up.

[Leo Gura]

@Emerald I was never in an argument with you. And I do not care about winning anything here.

[Something Funny]

16 minutes ago, Starlight321 said:

@Something Funny if you get really conscious you can easily spot deception mechanisms. This faculty is dependent upon consciousness and the ability to lay aside one's pov. That is what leo is trying to tell you. I myself am often of not able to do this but over the last few months I raised my awareness and starting to see it too.

The way I see it, the moment when you start thinking that you are really conscious and can easily spot deception, is the moment when you become the most vulnerable to getting deceived.

I prefer to stay humble and only take life advice from people who I respect and who I know have high integrity.

[Emerald]

1 minute ago, Starlight321 said:

Leo's defeniately changed and matured a lot over the years and is actually trying to help you.

You can clearly not see things as they are and meant. This here isn't meant to be a debate but to find out what is true.

He's the same as I remember him.

If he's supposedly trying to help me, he needs to be specific and be more intellectually honest in his tactics... without grandstanding and throwing out all sorts of judgments and assumptions about me and my paradigm.

But it's pretty condescending in the first place for him to assume he needs to teach me how to be 'higher consciousness like him' because I rightly pointed out instances of Elon Musk's dishonesty on a thread comparing and contrasting Musk with Trump.

He's basically saying, "Get on my level... ya' dum dum." And he's counting that as a mic drop moment.

[DocWatts]

Learn Spiral Dynamics, and then set it aside IMHO.

If you rely too much on it, it can become a form of epistemological bypassing.

Edited August 13, 2024 by DocWatts

[Starlight321]

Just now, Something Funny said:

The way I see it, the moment when you start thinking that you are really conscious and can easily spot deception, is the moment when you become the most vulnerable to getting deceived.

I prefer to stay humble and only take life advice from people who I respect and who I know have high integrity.

That because it's really looking that way to you because there is like a leap in awareness and recognition where you see more about ones own constructions and of others. Then you can spot these things but still miss the finer ones.

[Emerald]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Emerald I was never in an argument with you. And I do not care about winning anything here.

 

[Emerald]

4 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Learn Spiral Dynamics, and then set it aside IMHO.

If you rely too much on it, it can become a form of epistemological bypassing.

Definitely true.

[Something Funny]

5 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

If you rely too much on it, it can become a form of epistemological bypassing.

What's epistemological bypassing?

[Forestluv]

The most revealing aspect I notice from Elon: He stated that the government should create a commission that monitors how tax dollars are spent. On the surface, this might seem reasonable - yet it is completely opposite the conservative positions of deregulation and small government. More strikingly, Elon then volunteered to "help" with organizing and implementing this new tax monitoring commission. To me, that was revealed some of Musk's underlying desires - to gain more power in government money flow. , , 

As well, he proposed that he was "moderate" and leaned left. That might be true for some issues, yet I don't see him left-leaning overall - especially in regards to corporate issues.

Also, Elon spent a lot of time framing messages for Trump.

Overall, I got the sense Musk was trying to portray himself as a regular, moderate guy that wants the same stuff we all do (such as being safe in our cities). There might be some genuineness to that, yet I also got the sense of him trying to portray a moderate / reasonable character with an underlying desire to gain more influence / power into a potential Trump presidency. (which is true for lots of different people / groups - both on Kamala's side and Trump's side).

 

[Emerald]

2 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

What's epistemological bypassing?

Like overlooking basic truths and realities because of having your paradigm wrapped up too much in the intellectual model of Spiral Dynamics.

For example, if you point out objective instances of things like racism, for example.

And the person who is wrapped up in the Spiral Dynamics model sees that only as stage green delusion and blots that reality out of their awareness because it doesn't fit with their understanding of the model.

Or if a Stage Blue person points out the importance of traditions as a method of group cohesion. And the Spiral Dynamics model bypasser views that only as Stage Blue delusion because of their understanding of the model.

It's basically where the model overtakes your ability to see things for what they are.

[Something Funny]

@Emerald I see, ok.

[Talinn]

I mean nothing is really gained from bashing Musk on the internet, but I view him as a kind of avatar or representation for Americans' inner greed, to the extent that he built his life in a way that some Americans aspire to...

Musk does have a massive drive to help humanity and he does have some type of obsession to see it in the best place that it can be, but this casts a shadow over his family and social life. He has over 20-30 kids in addition to the time he spends with his company. When he took his 2 or 3 year-old to Auchwitz, which has disturbing images and is not a place for kids to be, I viewed him primarily negatively. You can have bad politics and a good family and professional life, and I'll still have some measure of respect for some person. But when you throw everything on the altar of "trying to help humanity" while being a terrible parent, that doesn't sit well with me. Then you're playing a pure numbers game where people are  like, "oh well he's helping lots of people through Tesla and SpaceX, it's okay if he's not the best parent, nobody is". No - his parenting is atrocious! Then these same people turn around, Musk himself, say other people are terrible parents. And he's also helping getting Trump get elected which would be so awful, it'd at least balance out all the good that he's supposedly doing. And he already turned Twitter into a right wing social media website.

It's almost like people wish they could be such shitty fathers or husbands, and be so materialistically wealthy, that they look up to Musk. Which frankly is sickening.

But in this moment, as reality stands, maybe he still has done some net good for humanity. But the tide is swiftly turning on that count.

 

[Bobby_2021]

19 minutes ago, Emerald said:

basically saying, "Get on my level... ya' dum dum." And he's counting that as a mic drop moment.

He indeed does that to be frank.

I don't have a problem with it if his takes were actually superior and elaborated it clearly. But none of that is the case.

I think it's because he had got jaded from reading retarded comments over the years that he couldn't recognise an actually intelligent take.

Edit: Don't take it too seriously. He is struggling to make sense of reality like everyone else and is also battling with issues of his own so mistakes are to be expected. He isn't perfect. Nobody is.

Edited August 13, 2024 by Bobby_2021

[Emerald]

1 minute ago, Bobby_2021 said:

He indeed does that to be frank.

I don't have a problem with it if his takes were actually superior and elaborated it clearly. But none of that is the case.

I think it's because he had got jaded from reading retarded comments over the years that he couldn't recognise an actually intelligent take.

That's my issue with it too. I'd be fine if he were actually taking specific swings at what I'm saying, as I like to be challenged and to spar it out.

It's just unearned when there's nothing there but vague grandstanding and claims that his view is higher consciousness and that I'm the closed minded lower consciousness one.

There's nothing there to learn or work with.

[CARDOZZO]

Imagine that you have $200MM on your account and then you put all money on 2 hardcore industries. (Rockets/Electric Cars)

Just the act can speak more than 1000 words.

Musk is foolish politically but he is not a bad guy/conartist.

He is playing the game to maximize his chances to make the world electric and go to mars.

[Leo Gura]

@Emerald You literally wanted me to debate you. I wisely refused. Now I am the scapegoat.

All that noise just avoid watching some videos.

Sigh...

[Talinn]

26 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Learn Spiral Dynamics, and then set it aside IMHO.

If you rely too much on it, it can become a form of epistemological bypassing.

Yeah spiral dynamics is used too much in this forum.