Trump is going to win the election

[Raze]

13 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

America should stop this presidential system and design a system of elections where even the average citizen have a shot at being the president.

Right now, these two parties act like they are the gatekeepers of the president. You need to appease either of these parties before even contesting in the elections. That's undemocratic. There is no choice offered to the voters.

First, the people should elect the people they want. Once you know the will of the people, then make decisions based on that.

There are many simple ways to do this that most Americans support 

- ban money from politics 

- automatic funding, ballot access and debate access for third parties 

- open primaries 

- rank choice voting 

The problem is the politicians in charge are incentivized to block these, leaving Americans in a catch 22 of change, they want to change the system, but they need the system to change itself, and the system doesn’t want to 

[Bobby_2021]

35 minutes ago, Raze said:

ban money from politics

This will never happen. These campaigns require a lot of money. How do you suppose they run their campaigns then? 

37 minutes ago, Raze said:

automatic funding, ballot access and debate access for third parties 

- open primaries 

- rank choice voting 

I do not understand much of those, but democracy means people are supposed to take the decision first. As long as some parties act as the de facto gatekeepers of who people are allowed to choose, you are living in a presidential rule for all intends and purposes. It is not a democracy even in theory.

Every citizen should be able to run for president, in theory.  

[mrPixel]

14 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Every citizen should be able to run for president

I’m pretty sure they can

[Nemra]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Every citizen should be able to run for president, in theory.  

I don't think that's a good thing.

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

This will never happen. These campaigns require a lot of money. How do you suppose they run their campaigns then? 

they can still get small donations and the government can provide some funding 

the issue is currently very wealthy can dump millions which gives their choices a unfair advantage 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

His choice for VP made his own voters react negatively. 

Ops..

 

[Leo Gura]

I think Vance is perfect for the MAGA base. They will come to love him because he is shameless and will tell them whatever they want to hear.

Edited July 16, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

7 hours ago, Raze said:

they can still get small donations and the government can provide some funding 

I am afraid small donations will not be enough. They splash an eye watering amount of money in campaigns.

7 hours ago, Raze said:

the issue is currently very wealthy can dump millions which gives their choices a unfair advantage

Transfer of money is not illegal. You cannot stop people from transferring money. They will always find ways to transfer money in one way or another. 

There are some unfair advantages that you have to live with and there is absolutely nothing you can do about. Better focus on things that we can do something about. 

10 hours ago, mrPixel said:

I’m pretty sure they can

I do not know about the internal details of American politics enough to make a proper judgement. I do not see average citizens running for president in the US elections. So even if they can, in practice they cannot make it due to not having enough money or influence in their corporate-style parties. 

Back here in India, you can see absolute normies competing for presidential elections. They might not get elected, but they can run for elections, and they actually do, in practice. There are multiple parties with many different ideologies and some without an operating ideology, simply because everyone can run and form a party, given that people vote for them. 

Having a wide variety of choice for the voters is imperative in democracy, both in theory and in practice. 

Else you will get into situations when you get stuck with a dementia patient or a convicted felon.

This is flawed design.   

7 hours ago, Nemra said:

I don't think that's a good thing.

Allowing, exclusively the mega wealthy to run for president is not good either. 

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I think Vance is perfect for the MAGA base. They will come to love him because he is shameless and will tell them whatever they want to hear.

Listening to what your voters base want is not a bad thing. 

When MAGA people want to be more isolationist and be antiwar, it is good to listen to them and take a stance that is in alignment with them.  

Edited July 17, 2024 by Bobby_2021

[mrPixel]

@Bobby_2021

Just FYI

The U.S. Constitution states that the president must:

• Be a natural-born citizen of the United States
• Be at least 35 years old
• Have been a resident of the United States for 14 years

https://www.usa.gov/requirements-for-presidential-candidates

This guy:

• https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/04/01/literally-anybody-else-president-campaign-texas/73169682007/
• https://literallyanybodyelse.com/

Just for fun: 15 year old kid / Deez Nuts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deez_Nuts_(satirist)

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by mrPixel

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Listening to what your voters base want is not a bad thing. 

Vance is a shameless demagogue, same as Trump.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Vance is a shameless demagogue, same as Trump.

I don't see how this would broaden the appeal of Trump's ticket.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I don't see how this would broaden the appeal of Trump's ticket.

It doesn't need to. Trump's strategy is to drive out a fired up base vs Biden whose base is flacid and divided.

This is a battle of which side is more passionate and enthusiastic. Biden has given his base nothing to be excited about, which is a deadly mistake. This is a time when the left needed to be united and fired up.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It doesn't need to. Trump's strategy is to drive out a fired up base vs Biden whose base is flacid and divided.

This is a battle of which side is more passionate and enthusiastic. Biden has given his base nothing to be excited about, which is a deadly mistake.

Biden has recently put out his bold progressive vision for the country.

Also, it looks like there has been a record number of older white voters switching over to Biden. There's been a record number of Republican voters against Trump.

Also, what if Obama comes out swinging hard for Biden?

Plus, what about the fact that ever since 2018, the Republicans have lost an extraordinary amount of elections because of Trump's right-wing extremism and chaotic vibe?

Either way, if study the whole history of US presidential elections going all the way back to 1860, a presidential election is the only kind of elections where campaigns have no predictive value. This is because of the fact that presidential elections always garner the most amount of attention nationwide compare to any other election throughout the whole country. That's why a presidential election is the only race where it's primarily about how well the party in power has governed.

Biden must run for re-election in order to maintain both the incumbency advantage and to best maintain the unity of the whole party for the Democratic party's best chances of winning the 2024 presidential election. Without Biden in the race (or him resigning the presidency to Harris ASAP) then Dems will very likely lose to Trump.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Hardkill

[Bobby_2021]

49 minutes ago, mrPixel said:

@Bobby_2021

Just FYI

The U.S. Constitution states that the president must:

• Be a natural-born citizen of the United States
• Be at least 35 years old
• Have been a resident of the United States for 14 years

https://www.usa.gov/requirements-for-presidential-candidates

This guy:

• https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/04/01/literally-anybody-else-president-campaign-texas/73169682007/
• https://literallyanybodyelse.com/

Just for fun: 15 year old kid / Deez Nuts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deez_Nuts_(satirist)

 

Just to be clear, will there be a guy named "Literally Anybody Else" who you can vote for in the upcoming election in November? And any US citizen can vote for him? Asking this to know. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/us/politics/presidential-candidates-2024.html I only see 6 people running for president. 

That's besides the point anyway. They merely prove my point that the de facto two-party presential system do not offer enough choice to voters. That is the point of the satirical name. He are not serious about winning anyway.

You need to go bottom up. Not top down. American elections are top down that normies do not have a shot at winning. 

[Bobby_2021]

55 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Vance is a shameless demagogue, same as Trump.

You can make that claim. For the moment. But if Trump is elected and he actually stops the war like he promised within a reasonable time frame all your arguments and blog posts are going to go down the drain.  

I remember your earlier blog posts on Republicans (Bush) dragging USA to 2 needless wars, but now Democrats have also dragged USA to needless wars pretty much. But all of that is irrelevant anyway since Israel lobby is essentially dictating the American foreign policy even in 2003 and 20 years after that. So Dems and Reps did not have much of a choice. 

What happened has happened. There is no point resenting or whining over it. The only thing that matters is who can put an end to this wretched nonsense. Let's see!

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

You can make that claim. For the moment. But if Trump is elected and he actually stops the war like he promised within a reasonable time frame all your arguments and blog posts are going to go down the drain.  

Even if Trump does well on the war issue, which I grant is possible, the cost domestically will be too high. Mark my words.

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Biden has recently put out his bold progressive vision for the country.

No he hasn't. I follow the news every day and I have no idea what Biden's vision is for the next 4 years. Zero. He is too old and weak to deliver a vision. I am not excited for the next 4 years, I am only hoping to avert a Trump disaster.

But this is not enough to entice most voters.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

Vance is bankrolled by P. Theil both being staunchly pro-Israel has connections with the Israeli intelligence that wants to boost the surveillance state even in the US??

This only gets more depressing the more you dig into this. 

Also, Vance is backing out of the Ukraine war only because United States have effectively lost the war. Now he wants to counter China and Iran. 🤡

What is he going to do? Provoke China into attacking Taiwan and send billions to Taiwan? Then lose that too while people get fed up with that and Dems can choose their next war? 

American politics is designed in a way that only pro war and pro-Israeli candidates can, forget about winning, even run. 

What a beautiful state of affairs. 🤡

The financial situation is not looking good either. I predict a 2008 style collapse in the next term, before 2028. The decay can also be slow and gradual this time without a tumultuous collapse. Which is all the more deadly. 

[BlueOak]

Biden has lost this significantly at this point. If anything, you'll see the establishment, as in those in power, trying to even things out a bit so it isn't a complete landslide for Republicans. They need to do this for your dual party system to function which they maintain at all costs.

Biden should have gone years ago. Every time I post the following elsewhere:

Boomers don't like giving up control. The post gets deleted. It's true, its a generational thing I've been dealing with all my life. Its not true of everyone, but each generation has common characteristics across it, and one of the boomers' worst ones is not training leaders and successors. 

The healthy dynamic should have been for Biden to pass the torch but to remain the mentor. That would be a sensible, natural evolution. We have a generation that cannot do that en masse. So Gen X gave up trying in many areas, not all areas or all people obviously, they are quiet workhorses, but Gen X dealt with this stubbornness all their lives. Now people blame Gen X for giving up on certain areas. When hardly anything they did made a dent on this stubbornness.

Nobody can tell me that running an 80-year-old man in one of the most difficult jobs on the planet is a sensible idea. It's ridiculous. What happened to looking after the generation after you, mentoring, being a protector, and a guide? It's just that boomers have lost the ability to mentor the subsequent generations, and thus can't accept getting old. This mentorship is how you accept the natural progression of things while remaining part of it. Father to Son. Mother to daughter in the family, and then a relatable mentorship in life generally. I've seen it across my entire family, politics, business, everything.

It's sad, and what's worse is they'll just blame the shooting, they won't even get to learn the lesson at the 11th hour either now.

In the wider population, people cannot accept getting old, they resist it, and that resistance plays out in different ways, such as bizarre cosmetics, geriatric pregnancies, putting off life too long (not living in the moment), and not training leaders to replace us. Some of it also comes with the disconnect in families, with people working too many hours and thus not developing the aspect of themselves that would do this naturally, plus staying in the provider roles unnaturally without passing the torch for far too long, but hey corporations and 60 hour work weeks 'yay'. 

*Worse not having any connection with children at all, like me, and thus never developing the aspect of myself that would seek to teach a younger generation how to be a leader, provider, and self-sufficient man. It's all related.

**I also realize with the age gap increasing, trying to address this is like moving an even bigger bolder, as there are more old people stuck in the same patterns, and also more older people that need representation they can relate to, usually from other old people.

Edited July 17, 2024 by BlueOak

[mrPixel]

@Bobby_2021 I think he can? https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates