Trump is going to win the election

[Rafael Thundercat]

Trump Win and the Vice President is Worst ever

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

6 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

America should stop this presidential system and design a system of elections where even the average citizen have a shot at being the president.

Right now, these two parties act like they are the gatekeepers of the president. You need to appease either of these parties before even contesting in the elections. That's undemocratic. There is no choice offered to the voters.

First, the people should elect the people they want. Once you know the will of the people, then make decisions based on that.

This ideia comes to late and sounds like an idea from a teenage from High School.

[Bobby_2021]

27 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

This ideia comes to late and sounds like an idea from a teenage from High School.

Try to add something to the conversation instead of this high school level mockery.

[mrPixel]

8 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Right now, these two parties act like they are the gatekeepers of the president. You need to appease either of these parties before even contesting in the elections. That's undemocratic. There is no choice offered to the voters.

First, the people should elect the people they want. Once you know the will of the people, then make decisions based on that.

The right doesn't give a shit about democracy, although they may claim that they do when it fits their agenda.

There are some serious problems with a two party system and I think we are seeing the effects of that right now.

We need a massive overhaul, I'm just not sure where to go from here. We have truly made a mess of things.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Amber Rose speaking at the RNC? Are you kidding? The organizer of the slut walk, who has a forehead tattoo, speaking at an event mostly for Christian social conservatives.

What the hell is happening to the GOP?

[Paradoxed]

2 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Amber Rose speaking at the RNC? Are you kidding? The organizer of the slut walk, who has a forehead tattoo, speaking at an event mostly for Christian social conservatives.

What the hell is happening to the GOP?

They're trying to get young black voters.

[Schizophonia]

On 02/07/2024 at 8:01 AM, Leo Gura said: Biden's age matters. Not as a number but as his obvious cognitive weakness and decline. Biden's health is clearly rapidly declining.

However, it does not matter as much as Trump's planned criminal dictatorship.

How ?

[Bobby_2021]

3 hours ago, mrPixel said:

The right doesn't give a shit about democracy, although they may claim that they do when it fits their agenda.

There are some serious problems with a two party system and I think we are seeing the effects of that right now.

We need a massive overhaul, I'm just not sure where to go from here. We have truly made a mess of things.

Look at how we conduct elections in India. There are 13 options for a single voter although there are 3-4 dominant parties in every constituency whose candidates are likely to win. 

Even I can stand for an election. I am not joking. I can run for the president of India. Even if you have committed crimes and locked up in jail, you can still run for president.  

After the MPs are elected, they become the representatives of the people who can join together to form parities or coalitions who ultimately choose the president. This is how you should conduct elections. Not the fundamentally flawed oligarchic/republic system in the US. 

[Schizophonia]

@Bobby_2021

Your avatar is funny.

[mrPixel]

27 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Even I can stand for an election. I am not joking. I can run for the president of India. Even if you have committed crimes and locked up in jail, you can still run for president

You should run. Lol 

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

@Bobby_2021

Your avatar is funny.

51 minutes ago, mrPixel said:

You should run. Lol 

lmao no it's a shit show. 

[Raze]

13 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

America should stop this presidential system and design a system of elections where even the average citizen have a shot at being the president.

Right now, these two parties act like they are the gatekeepers of the president. You need to appease either of these parties before even contesting in the elections. That's undemocratic. There is no choice offered to the voters.

First, the people should elect the people they want. Once you know the will of the people, then make decisions based on that.

There are many simple ways to do this that most Americans support 

- ban money from politics 

- automatic funding, ballot access and debate access for third parties 

- open primaries 

- rank choice voting 

The problem is the politicians in charge are incentivized to block these, leaving Americans in a catch 22 of change, they want to change the system, but they need the system to change itself, and the system doesn’t want to 

[Bobby_2021]

35 minutes ago, Raze said:

ban money from politics

This will never happen. These campaigns require a lot of money. How do you suppose they run their campaigns then? 

37 minutes ago, Raze said:

automatic funding, ballot access and debate access for third parties 

- open primaries 

- rank choice voting 

I do not understand much of those, but democracy means people are supposed to take the decision first. As long as some parties act as the de facto gatekeepers of who people are allowed to choose, you are living in a presidential rule for all intends and purposes. It is not a democracy even in theory.

Every citizen should be able to run for president, in theory.  

[mrPixel]

14 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Every citizen should be able to run for president

I’m pretty sure they can

[Nemra]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Every citizen should be able to run for president, in theory.  

I don't think that's a good thing.

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

This will never happen. These campaigns require a lot of money. How do you suppose they run their campaigns then? 

they can still get small donations and the government can provide some funding 

the issue is currently very wealthy can dump millions which gives their choices a unfair advantage 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

His choice for VP made his own voters react negatively. 

Ops..

 

[Leo Gura]

I think Vance is perfect for the MAGA base. They will come to love him because he is shameless and will tell them whatever they want to hear.

Edited July 16 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

7 hours ago, Raze said:

they can still get small donations and the government can provide some funding 

I am afraid small donations will not be enough. They splash an eye watering amount of money in campaigns.

7 hours ago, Raze said:

the issue is currently very wealthy can dump millions which gives their choices a unfair advantage

Transfer of money is not illegal. You cannot stop people from transferring money. They will always find ways to transfer money in one way or another. 

There are some unfair advantages that you have to live with and there is absolutely nothing you can do about. Better focus on things that we can do something about. 

10 hours ago, mrPixel said:

I’m pretty sure they can

I do not know about the internal details of American politics enough to make a proper judgement. I do not see average citizens running for president in the US elections. So even if they can, in practice they cannot make it due to not having enough money or influence in their corporate-style parties. 

Back here in India, you can see absolute normies competing for presidential elections. They might not get elected, but they can run for elections, and they actually do, in practice. There are multiple parties with many different ideologies and some without an operating ideology, simply because everyone can run and form a party, given that people vote for them. 

Having a wide variety of choice for the voters is imperative in democracy, both in theory and in practice. 

Else you will get into situations when you get stuck with a dementia patient or a convicted felon.

This is flawed design.   

7 hours ago, Nemra said:

I don't think that's a good thing.

Allowing, exclusively the mega wealthy to run for president is not good either. 

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I think Vance is perfect for the MAGA base. They will come to love him because he is shameless and will tell them whatever they want to hear.

Listening to what your voters base want is not a bad thing. 

When MAGA people want to be more isolationist and be antiwar, it is good to listen to them and take a stance that is in alignment with them.  

Edited July 17 by Bobby_2021

[mrPixel]

@Bobby_2021

Just FYI

The U.S. Constitution states that the president must:

• Be a natural-born citizen of the United States
• Be at least 35 years old
• Have been a resident of the United States for 14 years

https://www.usa.gov/requirements-for-presidential-candidates

This guy:

• https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/04/01/literally-anybody-else-president-campaign-texas/73169682007/
• https://literallyanybodyelse.com/

Just for fun: 15 year old kid / Deez Nuts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deez_Nuts_(satirist)

 

Edited July 17 by mrPixel