Trump is going to win the election

[Danioover9000]

@ryandesreu

23 hours ago, ryandesreu said:

Anonymous candidates doesn't work for me personally because I like to get my information straight from the horses mouth whenever possible, and I can already hear the conspiracy theories that it would create. I'm not trying to be contrarian in this conversation. 

Maybe just a simple political literacy test would work as part of voter registration. Like a driver's license test but every 4 years. That would weed out many of the ignorant voters. I can hear the conspiracy theories about that one too, lol. Or even real fraud. It happens. 

   For sure. Didn't mean to put you on the spot with that argument there. I just want the population to be more educated and informed, even if that means more assessments and question lists per election cycle. I think every year this test should be done nation wide instead of 4 years, just like with the annual tax payments, make this every year. And yes there are some who will object, even conjure up conspiracist, and to that point is where I brought up Leo's point in one of his conscious politics series, about removing the human persona, making politician candidates anonymous, which'll feed into those deep state theories

[Karmadhi]

On 7/6/2024 at 11:33 PM, Leo Gura said:

No US President has been charged for any crimes while in office

Bush should have been charged for war crimes for his illegal invasion of Iraq.

That was a failure imo.

Rest of presidents I cannot comment.

[Karmadhi]

On 7/7/2024 at 1:29 PM, Vrubel said:

It's only when you threaten other countries and the world order that America will keep a close eye on you.

Did Libya or Syria threaten any random countries? Curious. From what I saw, they just threatened USA interests.

I do agree with what you say but the issue is that the world order you talk about is the one that benefits America. So of course they will not invade you if you fall in line and submit to them.

Russia is the same. Every country they have invaded was invaded because they tried to break from the established order which was that they were submitted to Russia. Georgia and Ukraine being examples. They got invaded exactly when they stopped submitting to Russia and tried to reach towards the West.

My point is that every big power country tries to maximize their interests and will not hesitate to bully or even invade others if needed.

Their truth is their self interest, no "right" or "law".

As much as I like the internal politics of the USA and how they are miles ahead compared to the other big powers like India, China, Russia in terms of corruption, democracy, freedom etc. Their foreign policy is pure selfishness orange type with 0 disregard to law, ethics or "what is right". The only thing they have better is that they do not downright annex land but just keep troops there that dictate how things will operate.

USA illegally invaded Libya, Iraq, Syria, Cuba etc.

Russia illegally invaded Georgia, Ukraine.

China may invade Taiwan soon , who knows.

The harsh truth is that depending on your geography and history, smaller countries have to submit to the big powers. If they try to deviate from it, then they will be invaded. All the big powers are capable, selfish and ruthless enough to do it.

Edited July 9, 2024 by Karmadhi

[Merkabah Star]

3 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Rest of presidents I cannot comment.

A lot of people are talking about Obama and the drone strikes in Yemen that killed American citizens, being illegal. And that he is protected by presidential immunity. 

It works for both sides. 

 

Edited July 10, 2024 by Merkabah Star

[Karmadhi]

25 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

A lot of people are talking about Obama and the drone strikes in Yemen that killed American citizens, being illegal. And that he is protected by presidential immunity. 

 

I see, thank you for telling me. I was not aware.

[Bobby_2021]

3 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Russia is the same. Every country they have invaded was invaded because they tried to break from the established order which was that they were submitted to Russia.

Some invasions are legitimate. Every country has to take care of its own existence.

NATO in Ukraine is a threat to Russia. So, it was a legitimate invasion. 

If Iraq posed a real threat to the US, then it would have been the correct move to invade Iraq. But Iraq was not a threat at all. So it was an illegitimate and illegal invasion. 

Edited July 10, 2024 by Bobby_2021

[Hardkill]

3 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

A lot of people are talking about Obama and the drone strikes in Yemen that killed American citizens, being illegal. And that he is protected by presidential immunity. 

It works for both sides. 

 

Presidents can't get arrested or be found guilty in the US for any war crimes. They can only get arrested and convicted for crimes done within American soil.

Edited July 10, 2024 by Hardkill

[Merkabah Star]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Presidents can't get arrested or be found guilty in the US for any war crimes. They can only get arrested and convicted for crimes done within American soil.

The US wasn’t at war with Yemen in 2011. 

[Vrubel]

18 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Their foreign policy is pure selfishness orange type with 0 disregard to law, ethics or "what is right".

Yes, all humans and most definitely countries are selfish, no way around that. That's why a certain American paybook for order in the world is necessary. Its effectiveness can be measured in the amount of... well... ORDER, as opposed to endless war and instability.  

You mentioned it yourself, the stage orange component of the "American world order" is pretty crucial. It's supremely preferred and much more stable than the Russian or China's stage blue (and even red) playbooks. 

Without America, the world would have been back in the jungle of a pre-WW2 world where endless wars are fought over ideology and nationalistic domination. 

 

Edited July 10, 2024 by Vrubel

[Rafael Thundercat]

This is who trully win election, no matter who wins. The winners are the ones wh9 win no matter what

 

[Karmadhi]

22 hours ago, Vrubel said:

Yes, all humans and most definitely countries are selfish, no way around that. That's why a certain American paybook for order in the world is necessary. Its effectiveness can be measured in the amount of... well... ORDER, as opposed to endless war and instability.  

You mentioned it yourself, the stage orange component of the "American world order" is pretty crucial. It's supremely preferred and much more stable than the Russian or China's stage blue (and even red) playbooks. 

Without America, the world would have been back in the jungle of a pre-WW2 world where endless wars are fought over ideology and nationalistic domination. 

What you say is not unreasonable but the issue with America s orange is that they are willing to exploit others for their own benefit, regardless of what happens to those countries.

USA is fine with a country being destroyed and put into endless chaos if it benefits them. That is the issue here.

The main difference between blue and orange here is that USA does it for economic reasons meanwhile Russia does it for nationalistic reasons. And because nationalism is a stronger emotional force than economic profit, it leads to more brutal and ruthless campagains. 

Iraq, Syria, Libya, Guatemala are examples of countries that used to have law and order and became messes after USA got involved.

A dictatorship is better than anarchy.

It is true that China and Russia are not better, but China I have not seen them invade anyone yet to be honest.

With Russia the only proper invasion and meddling that seems to be destroying a country is Ukraine.

Georgia invasion was really small and the country did perfectly fine after.

Afghanistan was messed up by both Russia and USA. First Russia messed it up then USA did.

So to me both have blame there.

If Russia and China started going on USA type invasion sprees and bombing campaigns I am sure the results would also be horrible, maybe even worse than USA involvements.

Issue is that they tend to mind their own business a lot more, especially China.

Edited July 11, 2024 by Karmadhi

[zazen]

Regarding American led order and stability - the stability of American born corporate interests actually depends on instability for stable profits and power monopolisation. The reason I say born is because though corporate elites may be bred on American soil, they have outgrown their own countries and become transnational elites. This means, they couldn't care less if they serve the American people, the incentives are less when you can live in Miami or Dubai, or live in prosperous enclaved communities with security or private jet yourself to islands like New Zealand or the Caymans.

Their immune from the side effects of their actions, the same way America is mostly immune from the side effects of their foreign adventurism and interventions due to being geographically blessed. They can go around the world dick swinging and flexing with little cost to themselves as they are protected by vast seas on both sides, an ally to their North and a weak nation to their South.

The US is sooooo at threat from Russia and China who are in different continents - that it spends more on its military than the next nine countries combined. Investing this much in an industry demands a return, which peace doesn’t give. This is why Biden even historically said Israel is the best “investment” America could make - because they view things from a materialist, zero-sum, prey vs predatory perspective.

The US has over reached and abused their power through a weaponised financial system which sanctions and economically carpet bombs countries that don't ''align'' with them to the point that the non Western world have had enough and are building a parallel system where no one has power over you, but where you have power with others. They trade with each other in their own currencies for example. The US isn't collapsing as a state or society, but as a hegemon - and to this they are lashing out.

Both stages can produce individuals who commit unethical acts, but for different reasons. Stage Blue, because their morality is exclusionary. Stage Orange, because of disconnection to the soul (depth) in pursuit of the material (surface). What we call stage orange also has elements of stage blue married to it to make a dangerous combination ie Neocons or Ultra-Zionists  = ancient texts married to modern tech with enough leverage to destroy at scale.

Stage blue has a sense of morality that can balance and check power, but only within its own rigid framework that excludes those who aren’t in it and are deemed sinful or 'other'. Stage orange can lack morality in pursuit of the material or be morally relativistic to justify the unjustifiable. Its disconnect from the soul manifests in its shadow when the powerful tools it excels at developing (through science, rationality) are used to interfere and intervene in world affairs in unethical ways, rather than interact and integrate with others on the world stage. Stage blue is spiritually bloated (confined to cast creed or colour) while stage Orange is a spiritual vacuum - both can be dangerous to the world.

 

Edited July 12, 2024 by zazen

[Rafael Thundercat]

Mr Beast for President ahahahahahahah

https://x.com/MrBeast/status/1811014883317530846

 

[Leo Gura]

If you make the American people your #1 priority no one will help you get elected and you will never be president. Being president is about greasing wheels for your richest supporters because without them you are nobody. And if you don't serve either party that means you are the enemy of both parties and they will tank you.

Notice that as supposedly rich as Trump is, he still has to kiss the ass of Christians to have a chance at election. He has to promise them a theocracy to win.

Edited July 14, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Husseinisdoingfine]

This country needs serious campaign finance laws, I swear.

[Raze]

 

Edited July 14, 2024 by Raze

[Davino]

This elections are getting a lot of material for a juicy video, just sayin

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Notice that as supposedly rich as Trump is, he still has to kiss the ass of Christians to have a chance at election. He has to promise them a theocracy to win.

Source ?

[Yimpa]

https://apnews.com/live/election-biden-trump-campaign-updates-07-13-2024#00000190-b27e-dc4e-ab9d-ba7eb1060000
 

Looks like a police officer confronted the shooter near moments before he shot Trump.

It must have been enough of a distraction for the shooter to miss making a fatal shot.

Quote

Not long before shots rang out, rally goers noticed a man climbing to the top of a roof of a nearby building and warned local law enforcement, according to two law enforcement officials.

One officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder and Crooks quickly took a shot toward former President Donald Trump, and that’s when the U.S. Secret Service counter snipers shot him, said the officials who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

(whoops, meant to post this on the other thread) 

 

Edited July 14, 2024 by Yimpa

[Raze]