Trump is going to win the election

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

5 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

What a ridiculous strawmen. You’re just parroting some talking points that are in vogue among your circle. I don’t see any serious and well reasoned points. 

   Who asked you to critique @Bobby_2021? His takes are as good as Bobby Fischer.

[Vrubel]

39 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Vrubel

   Who asked you to critique @Bobby_2021? His takes are as good as Bobby Fischer.

Haha, you come across as Bobby Fisher just minus the chess genius. Bobby Fischer is a perfect example of how a genius in one intellectual field can be a deranged fool in another.  

You love the political takes of Fisher but I'll go with Garry Kasparov

Edited July 5, 2024 by Vrubel

[zazen]

On 04/07/2024 at 4:38 PM, Vrubel said:

If you would look at the total picture you would see the undeniable Net good to global peace and prosperity America provides to the world. Also, the obvious fact that the other players aspiring to be top dogs are way less moral or upholding of decent values. America is built on solid values of freedom and equality and American history is the expansion and refinement of these core values however convoluted and at times illinear it seems. 

 

On 04/07/2024 at 6:03 PM, Vrubel said:

We're talking about who can best yield the most power in the 21st century to keep our ape species safe. I say adhering to the Western world order is the best thing we all can do. From a historical perspective, wars are extremely rare now and most nation-state borders and sovereignty are respected. The core principle of the Western world order is that economic advancements and incentive should trump nationalistic 19th-century style violent strong manning. 

I get where you’re coming from. America definitely has the strongest fundamentals and is geographically blessed. The main thing that could mess things up leading to decline (not doom) is the human factor ie people themselves. Much like Argentina being geographically blessed yet unable to capitalise on the cards it has.

A lot of what gets called maintaining global stability is actually global domination, with a body count to prove it. Any country leading the world may abuse that position of power as power corrupts way too easily. Which is why it’s best the world shifts towards cooperation rather than domination - so that power is shared and distributed. Maybe the idea of needing a world leader is actually part of the problem and not the solution.

From a historical perspective Empires naturally rise and fall, and Western hegemony is an aberration of only 500 years compared to India / Chinas 2000 years. When other countries naturally rise and their time comes to challenge the current order, this creates friction where the hegemon tries to maintain its position. These transitions have mostly resulted in war, but in today’s world our weapons are too apocalyptic to go at it with each other directly which is why it’s a necessity to have multipolarity. 
 

The West loves to preach from its high horse, all while that horse is trampling over the very values it claims to uphold. The rest of the world would actually love it if the West actually embodied those values at a state and foreign policy level. But their usually on the receiving end of the bad and not the good. If Western values include things like free speech, critical thinking, and the constant pursuit of betterment then that's exactly what we're doing when we point out the West's laundry list of failures and hypocrisies.

Calling out injustice is embodying those values. As long as it’s not done in a self loathing way with a white man bad rhetoric that can be seen poisoning the left. It’s not about tearing down the West but holding it accountable to its own stated ideals.

 

Speaking of global order in relation to Ukraine. This is US / Western led order on display:
 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/02/ukraine-to-be-told-it-is-too-corrupt-to-join-nato/

Remember Henry Kissingers quote  "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."  If Ukraine isn't living proof of that cynical wisdom I don’t know what is. 

The U.S. doesn't have allies; it has disposable assets. Countries to be used, abused, and discarded when they're no longer convenient. Ukraine made the fatal mistake of believing the promises, of thinking they were special. Now they're learning the hard way that in the game of empire, there are no real friends, only temporary conveniences.

This is the dark heart of American foreign policy that the mainstream media won't touch. This is why the UK having over 10’000 US troops stationed on its land never gets mentioned. These troops aren’t here to dance or for some temporary training - they’ll literally stationed.

The West dangled the carrot of NATO membership and now that the game's gone sideways, they're backpedaling. "Ukraine's too corrupt," they say, conveniently forgetting how they've turned a blind eye to corruption when it suited their interests. It's the geopolitical equivalent of "It's not you, it's me" like some breakup line.

They can't even admit they were wrong. Instead of owning up to the catastrophic miscalculation of antagonizing a nuclear power, they're deflecting to Ukraine corruption as a reason for not joining the NATO gang. NATO have deformed into a pack of neighbourhood watchdogs armed to the teeth who whimper when they finally encounter a pitbull with nukes up its ass.

It's a masterclass in gaslighting, with Ukraine and many around the world left with the consequences and aftermath of their adventures.

Edited July 5, 2024 by zazen

[Vrubel]

2 hours ago, zazen said:

Argentina being geographically blessed yet unable to capitalise on the cards it has.

Argentina is Latin-America level of development which is a tier under America. America is built on meritocracy, individual freedom and protestant values while Latin American societies inherited the not-so-freedom-and-equality based Catholic values and the more rigid hierarchical systems of the Spanish empire. But Argentina is definitely one to watch for the future.
 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

Maybe the idea of needing a world leader is actually part of the problem and not the solution.

Smaller states will always need larger ones for protection. If you're a Westerner, America is your protector. If you're Nepal or Bhutan then India is your protector. "Protection" is a broad thing but more specifically they need to be protected from Russia and China respectively. Israel (and the wider Middle East like Saudi and Jordan) need to be protected from Iran. 
 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

A lot of what gets called maintaining global stability is actually global domination, with a body count to prove it. Any country leading the world may abuse that position of power as power corrupts way too easily. Which is why it’s best the world shifts towards cooperation rather than domination - so that power is shared and distributed. Maybe the idea of needing a world leader is actually part of the problem and not the solution.

Putin and China will dominate if you let them but the US is putting out boundaries to both of them.

America is saying: hands off Ukraine, Hands off Taiwan. Let's trade and increase our wealth and development instead.  

 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

From a historical perspective Empires naturally rise and fall, and Western hegemony is an aberration of only 500 years compared to India / Chinas 2000 years. When other countries naturally rise and their time comes to challenge the current order, this creates friction where the hegemon tries to maintain its position. These transitions have mostly resulted in war, but in today’s world our weapons are too apocalyptic to go at it with each other directly which is why it’s a necessity to have multipolarity. 

China and India have more than enough space to rise and eventually become equals or even surpass the US. The only thing that's demanded of them is not to start a war. 

India is actually a rising superpower without being overly aggressive and having ridiculous territorial claims. I think Hindu culture plays a role here. 

 

 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

The West loves to preach from its high horse, all while that horse is trampling over the very values it claims to uphold. The rest of the world would actually love it if the West actually embodied those values at a state and foreign policy level. But their usually on the receiving end of the bad and not the good. If Western values include things like free speech, critical thinking, and the constant pursuit of betterment then that's exactly what we're doing when we point out the West's laundry list of failures and hypocrisies.

Calling out injustice is embodying those values. As long as it’s not done in a self loathing way with a white man bad rhetoric that can be seen poisoning the left. It’s not about tearing down the West but holding it accountable to its own stated ideals.

(Healthy) stage green, self-critique and satiricly self-ridiculing are indeed part of what makes the West so "great" though most of the world doesn't give a fuck about moral preaching. They just pursue the interests and agenda of the country that they love and accept that the world is the way it is. Woke whining and edginess are a uniquely Western phenomenon. Most people perceive them as spineless weaklings and in some cases even as useful idiots. 

 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

Remember Henry Kissingers quote  "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."  If Ukraine isn't living proof of that cynical wisdom I don’t know what is. 

The U.S. doesn't have allies; it has disposable assets. Countries to be used, abused, and discarded when they're no longer convenient. Ukraine made the fatal mistake of believing the promises, of thinking they were special. Now they're learning the hard way that in the game of empire, there are no real friends, only temporary conveniences.

This is the dark heart of American foreign policy that the mainstream media won't touch. This is why the UK having over 10’000 US troops stationed on its land never gets mentioned. These troops aren’t here to dance or for some temporary training - they’ll literally stationed.

The West dangled the carrot of NATO membership and now that the game's gone sideways, they're backpedaling. "Ukraine's too corrupt," they say, conveniently forgetting how they've turned a blind eye to corruption when it suited their interests. It's the geopolitical equivalent of "It's not you, it's me" like some breakup line.

They can't even admit they were wrong. Instead of owning up to the catastrophic miscalculation of antagonizing a nuclear power, they're deflecting to Ukraine corruption as a reason for not NATO. It's a masterclass in gaslighting, with Ukraine and many around the world left with the consequences and aftermath of their adventures.

Gaslighting Ukraine for getting invaded. You know, Ukraine is a sovereign country too. Why is it so hard to believe they genuinely want to be affiliated with the progressive West rather than the regressive East?

Wanting to include Ukraine in NATO is sensible reasoning and well within integrity. My only issue is that they kinda pussy footed with it. You either do it or not because Putin perceived that "carefulness" as a weakness and got a bit too bold. 



 

Edited July 5, 2024 by Vrubel

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

[Yimpa]

@ryandesreu love that ending

[Bobby_2021]

21 hours ago, Vrubel said:

What a ridiculous strawmen. You’re just parroting some talking points that are in vogue among your circle. I don’t see any serious and well reasoned points. 

Yeah It's indeed a strawman. Made on purpose. So that you get to feel what I feel like.

I replied with a strawman to a strawman which you came up with "muh American exceptionalism..

muh global police, stability..." lmao

If you give thoughtful and insightful analysis, I would reply likewise.

I am not going to give insightful analysis on Americans gifting the world stability lol.

Americans are infamous for destabilizing entire governments while getting their ass whopped by local forces.

Edited July 6, 2024 by Bobby_2021

[Bobby_2021]

19 hours ago, Vrubel said:

Argentina is Latin-America level of development which is a tier under America. America is built on meritocracy, individual freedom and protestant values while Latin American societies inherited the not-so-freedom-and-equality based Catholic values and the more rigid hierarchical systems of the Spanish empire. But Argentina is definitely one to watch for the future.
 

Smaller states will always need larger ones for protection. If you're a Westerner, America is your protector. If you're Nepal or Bhutan then India is your protector. "Protection" is a broad thing but more specifically they need to be protected from Russia and China respectively. Israel (and the wider Middle East like Saudi and Jordan) need to be protected from Iran. 
 

Putin and China will dominate if you let them but the US is putting out boundaries to both of them.

America is saying: hands off Ukraine, Hands off Taiwan. Let's trade and increase our wealth and development instead.  

 

China and India have more than enough space to rise and eventually become equals or even surpass the US. The only thing that's demanded of them is not to start a war. 

India is actually a rising superpower without being overly aggressive and having ridiculous territorial claims. I think Hindu culture plays a role here. 

 

 

(Healthy) stage green, self-critique and satiricly self-ridiculing are indeed part of what makes the West so "great" though most of the world doesn't give a fuck about moral preaching. They just pursue the interests and agenda of the country that they love and accept that the world is the way it is. Woke whining and edginess are a uniquely Western phenomenon. Most people perceive them as spineless weaklings and in some cases even as useful idiots. 

 

Gaslighting Ukraine for getting invaded. You know, Ukraine is a sovereign country too. Why is it so hard to believe they genuinely want to be affiliated with the progressive West rather than the regressive East?

Wanting to include Ukraine in NATO is sensible reasoning and well within integrity. My only issue is that they kinda pussy footed with it. You either do it or not because Putin perceived that "carefulness" as a weakness and got a bit too bold. 
 

The biggest gaslighting here is that a country infamous for overthrowing democratically elected governments is somehow "progressive".

Only deluded American wokies believe this and some of them are even starting to doubt themselves.

Get real for a second.

The only progress you made is in the number of genders you could come up with. 

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

20 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Yeah It's indeed a strawman. Made on purpose. So that you get to feel what I feel like.

I replied with a strawman to a strawman which you came up with "muh American exceptionalism..

muh global police, stability..." lmao

If you give thoughtful and insightful analysis, I would reply likewise.

I am not going to give insightful analysis on Americans gifting the world stability lol.

Americans are infamous for destabilizing entire governments while getting their ass whopped by local forces.

   TRUE!🤣

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

10 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The biggest gaslighting here is that a country infamous for overthrowing democratically elected governments is somehow "progressive".

Only deluded American wokies believe this and some of them are even starting to doubt themselves.

Get real for a second.

The only progress you made is in the number of genders you could come up with. 

😭

[Yimpa]

Trump comes out with more lies than the amount of genders there are  

[Danioover9000]

@Yimpa

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

Trump comes out with more lies than the amount of genders there are  

   A country so blessed with geography, and good early development, that it is so secure from the world that it  can develop more genders and fabricated paranoia, just amazing!

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, ryandesreu said:

Why would the R heavy Supreme Court give President Biden this kind of power?

Because he clearly won't abuse it.

Their decision is so bad because a president of good character doesn't need immunity from crimes, only one with bad character does. It's like a one way door which lets in criminals and has no impact on decent leaders 

It's the stupidest decision. Pure corruption. No good leader needs immunity from crimes. Only the bad ones do. No US President has been charged for any crimes while in office other than Trump and Nixon. Which is the system working correctly.

Edited July 6, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Danioover9000]

@ryandesreu

1 hour ago, ryandesreu said:

Why would the R heavy Supreme Court give President Biden this kind of power?

   I agree it's suspicious. If it was a totally objective and a neutral system then there wouldn't be a need to give anyone president this much power.

   If we limited democracy and made it half half autocracy and democracy, like a Roman republic, with more experienced senates and a revised voting system, with people who are more educated and experienced only, then the nation would be more stronger. If we revised egalitarianism, multiculturalism, and feminism, and acknowledged it was running amok for far too long, and actually had the good will to make democracy smaller and more filled with experienced senates, then America wouldn't be in this mess. These political games and lies and corruption, is really from a deep denial of Neoliberalism, and too much liberalism. That's all. 

Edited July 6, 2024 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

@ryandesreu

2 minutes ago, ryandesreu said:

@Danioover9000What type of revised voting system are you proposing?

How did feminism contribute to this ruling?

   One example is better questionnaires about American history, the constitution, and some more assessments to determine if you as an American citizen should get 1 integer vote, or get a decimal vote. If for example you as an American has greatly contributed to society, knows it's history, knows the constitution at heart or paraphrased closely to original, and demonstrate comradery and being a good Samaritan to your community in America, also you are working and actually giving value to society then you get to have whole number vote. However, if you are an immigrant, still learning English language, still getting integrated to community, you kind of know America's history, kind of know the constitution, but maybe not keen on helping community, then you only have 0.8 vote. Or if you a criminal, have a long rap sheet, been to few rehabs and always promising to change yet betray yourself and community, half interesting In America's history or constitution, demonstrating laziness or lack to better your community, then you only get 0.5 or 0.4 vote, or even no voting power because you committed horrific crimes like strangling children or gang attack and gang bang some woman and knifing people you get light sentencing for it then no voting power for you. Something like this and yes certain conditions on legibility and illegibility to vote as an adult. Basically you must love America and earn your right to score and have higher voting powers one decimal point at a time.

   Feminism contributed to the increase in loneliness in dating, the higher divorce rates and failings in marriages, and the declines in family raising and birthrates in local areas within the country/nations of westernized societies, which is why governments have to outsource more from 3rd world theocracies with stronger traditional/conservative values, which also increases tensions in own country's workforce now. Of course Neoliberalism played it's part as well  as predatory capitalism but those are very deep problems which may take decades to fix. I do think the fix maybe is smaller democracy with better people in it.

[BlueOak]

On 02/07/2024 at 0:39 PM, DocWatts said:

 

The Supreme Court is effectively giving Trump all of the tools he needs to be America's version of Putin.

Yes, but its worse than that.

Picture a clever version of Trump running, more sociopathic and less narcissistic.

OR more realistically, an ideologue. Say, a Christian nationalist which is perfectly possible in the current climate, or if someone prefers an idealistic socialist without morals, who is more radical and less status quo, who would reform quickly rather than slowly.

The court has ruled anything can be done by that man or woman, that should scare the hell out of everyone whichever political denomination. Whatever country they are in they should be terrified, as it added another dictator to the world stage who has different goals to the BRICS dictators. 

To everyone: I watch the conditions for WW3 being continually set up to a round of applause, and I don't get it, it's like people can only see the direct moment in front of them and the immediate short-term gain or loss. This is Gen Z's influence in a nutshell, unable to concentrate for more than 5 minutes on anything like a goldfish.

The courts are a requirement for world peace and stability. Institutions, treaties, diplomacy, and international agreements keep the world from being a fiery, dusty bowl.

Edited July 7, 2024 by BlueOak

[Vrubel]

17 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The biggest gaslighting here is that a country infamous for overthrowing democratically elected governments is somehow "progressive".

Only deluded American wokies believe this and some of them are even starting to doubt themselves.

Get real for a second.

The only progress you made is in the number of genders you could come up with. 

Wokies hate America which is different from healthy and chill stage green.  

I am as real as can be, if you're interested in economic and developmental growth as any country naturally is you have nothing to fear from America. It's only when you threaten other countries and the world order that America will keep a close eye on you.

This is actually the pretty reasonable and chill context/world-order of today, before we had the cold war era context/world-order and before that the absolutely volatile context/world-order that led to two world wars. 

[DocWatts]

3 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Yes, but its worse than that.

Picture a clever version of Trump running, more sociopathic and less narcissistic.

OR more realistically, an ideologue. Say, a Christian nationalist which is perfectly possible in the current climate, or if someone prefers an idealistic socialist without morals, who is more radical and less status quo, who would reform quickly rather than slowly.

The court has ruled anything can be done by that man or woman, that should scare the hell out of everyone whichever political denomination. Whatever country they are in they should be terrified, as it added another dictator to the world stage who has different goals to the BRICS dictators. 

Agreed. The Trump Immunity decision needs to be framed in discussions and the media as a Judicial Coup against constitutional democracy, because that's exactly what it is.

Edited July 7, 2024 by DocWatts

[Rafael Thundercat]

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[Danioover9000]

@ryandesreu

On 2024-07-07 at 3:14 PM, ryandesreu said:

The judgements of vote percentage could easily be subjected to bias, abuse, and seems too extensive and messy. Who are we hiring to assess voters? Maybe AI. 😉 

   Sure but at least we're trying to educate and get more citizens to be more conscious of politics at least in this way. That same critique could be applied to Leo's conscious politics. For example he forewords that all candidate and politicians come election cycle wear masks to hide their human identities, and only list policies. Yes, bias is minimal, but not free from abuse, and agendas behind closed doors, also plays into the whole deep state narrative, and encourages anon or anonymous and uncertainty which shouldn't be that high. Yet according to this it's very bias neutral, yet see how easy it is to backfire?