Trump is going to win the election

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

1 hour ago, Merkabah Star said:

It’s duality at its best. 
 

people could say the same thing about you or me, with Israel Gaza. 
 

but I love that you wrapped it up with a rap. 😁 

 

   You're welcome, was feeling a dark moment when that rap came up.

[Hatfort]

I knew that Trump appeared on the Epstein visitor list and that there were some pictures of them together as friends, that's bad enough. But I didn't know about this I'm hearing now. A report has been leaked now about a girl named Katie Johnson who tried to sue both Trump and Epstein for rape and sexual assault that occurred when she was 13 years old. She dropped her case for death threats against her and has been hidden since.

The title of the video says MAGA will turn on Trump. Apparently he doesn't know MAGA well enough, they'll still vote for him as a Messiah sent by Christ himself. He is a disgusting pedophile, one of the right's favorite accusations turns out it's their number one. I'm not even surprised.

[Vrubel]

4 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

You are still talking about American exceptionalism as if it were the cold war and not the latter stage of dying empire with no morality nor values.

And new powers are rising in the horizon.

US still engages in regime change operations and election interferences. You need to wait 50 years for them to declassify it.

Back then, you could at least say they got some benefit out of it like oil or some other resources. But right now, US keeps doing this deplorable shit even though they get nothing in return.  Not even oil. You can deny it as much as you want, but the reality it is pretty much happening. 

What lol? Bro you watch too much Hollywood. 

Real life is when Americans involve in random shit that does not concern them at all, disrupt the social order of society, get their ass whopped while trying to solve it lmao. 

What I said holds true. I know it's the latest trend among certain circles to be edgy, contrarian and virtue signal as much as possible. I would suggest to see things in their proper (historical) context and in an educated manner in matters of geopolitics and human survival. This "American era" we are in is absolutely unprecedented in human history. 

Russia was seriously unhinged and way too opportunistic in invading Ukraine, but as a rule, most countries in today's world think twice before doing something this stupid and destructive. 

You can act all outraged and whiny but billions of people around the world owe their stability to America and billions more dream of living in America. 

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

You can act all outraged and whiny but billions of people around the world owe their stability to America

Yeah I know man self control for not overthrowing stable liberal democracies is hard thing to do. 

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

billions more dream of living in America. 

Because America makes everywhere else uninhabitable with Coups, Invasions & Bombings

But don't worry; tactics of criminal domination isn't going to work for long. 

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

Russia was seriously unhinged and way too opportunistic in invading Ukraine, but as a rule, most countries in today's world think twice before doing something this stupid and destructive. 

There is a price to be paid for the security of your nation. He paid the full price for it. Like a mature leader would and should. 

There was a legitimate reason for the special military operation unlike the Iraq invasion.

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Yeah I know man self control for not overthrowing stable liberal democracies is hard thing to do. 

Because America makes everywhere else uninhabitable with Coups, Invasions & Bombings

But don't worry; tactics of criminal domination isn't going to work for long. 

There is a price to be paid for the security of your nation. He paid the full price for it. Like a mature leader would and should. 

There was a legitimate reason for the special military operation unlike the Iraq invasion.

   TRUE! Also in the UK  we just have to worry about the far left as conservativism is built into here, but in the American politics you guys just have to worry about corporate corruption and lobbying, and a few other things. In Russia you just gotta worry about looking weak and being strong.

[Vrubel]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Because America makes everywhere else uninhabitable with Coups, Invasions & Bombings

But don't worry; tactics of criminal domination isn't going to work for long. 

What a ridiculous strawmen. You’re just parroting some talking points that are in vogue among your circle. I don’t see any serious and well reasoned points. 

Edited July 5 by Vrubel

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

5 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

What a ridiculous strawmen. You’re just parroting some talking points that are in vogue among your circle. I don’t see any serious and well reasoned points. 

   Who asked you to critique @Bobby_2021? His takes are as good as Bobby Fischer.

[Vrubel]

39 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Vrubel

   Who asked you to critique @Bobby_2021? His takes are as good as Bobby Fischer.

Haha, you come across as Bobby Fisher just minus the chess genius. Bobby Fischer is a perfect example of how a genius in one intellectual field can be a deranged fool in another.  

You love the political takes of Fisher but I'll go with Garry Kasparov

Edited July 5 by Vrubel

[zazen]

On 04/07/2024 at 4:38 PM, Vrubel said:

If you would look at the total picture you would see the undeniable Net good to global peace and prosperity America provides to the world. Also, the obvious fact that the other players aspiring to be top dogs are way less moral or upholding of decent values. America is built on solid values of freedom and equality and American history is the expansion and refinement of these core values however convoluted and at times illinear it seems. 

 

On 04/07/2024 at 6:03 PM, Vrubel said:

We're talking about who can best yield the most power in the 21st century to keep our ape species safe. I say adhering to the Western world order is the best thing we all can do. From a historical perspective, wars are extremely rare now and most nation-state borders and sovereignty are respected. The core principle of the Western world order is that economic advancements and incentive should trump nationalistic 19th-century style violent strong manning. 

I get where you’re coming from. America definitely has the strongest fundamentals and is geographically blessed. The main thing that could mess things up leading to decline (not doom) is the human factor ie people themselves. Much like Argentina being geographically blessed yet unable to capitalise on the cards it has.

A lot of what gets called maintaining global stability is actually global domination, with a body count to prove it. Any country leading the world may abuse that position of power as power corrupts way too easily. Which is why it’s best the world shifts towards cooperation rather than domination - so that power is shared and distributed. Maybe the idea of needing a world leader is actually part of the problem and not the solution.

From a historical perspective Empires naturally rise and fall, and Western hegemony is an aberration of only 500 years compared to India / Chinas 2000 years. When other countries naturally rise and their time comes to challenge the current order, this creates friction where the hegemon tries to maintain its position. These transitions have mostly resulted in war, but in today’s world our weapons are too apocalyptic to go at it with each other directly which is why it’s a necessity to have multipolarity. 
 

The West loves to preach from its high horse, all while that horse is trampling over the very values it claims to uphold. The rest of the world would actually love it if the West actually embodied those values at a state and foreign policy level. But their usually on the receiving end of the bad and not the good. If Western values include things like free speech, critical thinking, and the constant pursuit of betterment then that's exactly what we're doing when we point out the West's laundry list of failures and hypocrisies.

Calling out injustice is embodying those values. As long as it’s not done in a self loathing way with a white man bad rhetoric that can be seen poisoning the left. It’s not about tearing down the West but holding it accountable to its own stated ideals.

 

Speaking of global order in relation to Ukraine. This is US / Western led order on display:
 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/02/ukraine-to-be-told-it-is-too-corrupt-to-join-nato/

Remember Henry Kissingers quote  "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."  If Ukraine isn't living proof of that cynical wisdom I don’t know what is. 

The U.S. doesn't have allies; it has disposable assets. Countries to be used, abused, and discarded when they're no longer convenient. Ukraine made the fatal mistake of believing the promises, of thinking they were special. Now they're learning the hard way that in the game of empire, there are no real friends, only temporary conveniences.

This is the dark heart of American foreign policy that the mainstream media won't touch. This is why the UK having over 10’000 US troops stationed on its land never gets mentioned. These troops aren’t here to dance or for some temporary training - they’ll literally stationed.

The West dangled the carrot of NATO membership and now that the game's gone sideways, they're backpedaling. "Ukraine's too corrupt," they say, conveniently forgetting how they've turned a blind eye to corruption when it suited their interests. It's the geopolitical equivalent of "It's not you, it's me" like some breakup line.

They can't even admit they were wrong. Instead of owning up to the catastrophic miscalculation of antagonizing a nuclear power, they're deflecting to Ukraine corruption as a reason for not joining the NATO gang. NATO have deformed into a pack of neighbourhood watchdogs armed to the teeth who whimper when they finally encounter a pitbull with nukes up its ass.

It's a masterclass in gaslighting, with Ukraine and many around the world left with the consequences and aftermath of their adventures.

Edited July 5 by zazen

[Vrubel]

2 hours ago, zazen said:

Argentina being geographically blessed yet unable to capitalise on the cards it has.

Argentina is Latin-America level of development which is a tier under America. America is built on meritocracy, individual freedom and protestant values while Latin American societies inherited the not-so-freedom-and-equality based Catholic values and the more rigid hierarchical systems of the Spanish empire. But Argentina is definitely one to watch for the future.
 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

Maybe the idea of needing a world leader is actually part of the problem and not the solution.

Smaller states will always need larger ones for protection. If you're a Westerner, America is your protector. If you're Nepal or Bhutan then India is your protector. "Protection" is a broad thing but more specifically they need to be protected from Russia and China respectively. Israel (and the wider Middle East like Saudi and Jordan) need to be protected from Iran. 
 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

A lot of what gets called maintaining global stability is actually global domination, with a body count to prove it. Any country leading the world may abuse that position of power as power corrupts way too easily. Which is why it’s best the world shifts towards cooperation rather than domination - so that power is shared and distributed. Maybe the idea of needing a world leader is actually part of the problem and not the solution.

Putin and China will dominate if you let them but the US is putting out boundaries to both of them.

America is saying: hands off Ukraine, Hands off Taiwan. Let's trade and increase our wealth and development instead.  

 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

From a historical perspective Empires naturally rise and fall, and Western hegemony is an aberration of only 500 years compared to India / Chinas 2000 years. When other countries naturally rise and their time comes to challenge the current order, this creates friction where the hegemon tries to maintain its position. These transitions have mostly resulted in war, but in today’s world our weapons are too apocalyptic to go at it with each other directly which is why it’s a necessity to have multipolarity. 

China and India have more than enough space to rise and eventually become equals or even surpass the US. The only thing that's demanded of them is not to start a war. 

India is actually a rising superpower without being overly aggressive and having ridiculous territorial claims. I think Hindu culture plays a role here. 

 

 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

The West loves to preach from its high horse, all while that horse is trampling over the very values it claims to uphold. The rest of the world would actually love it if the West actually embodied those values at a state and foreign policy level. But their usually on the receiving end of the bad and not the good. If Western values include things like free speech, critical thinking, and the constant pursuit of betterment then that's exactly what we're doing when we point out the West's laundry list of failures and hypocrisies.

Calling out injustice is embodying those values. As long as it’s not done in a self loathing way with a white man bad rhetoric that can be seen poisoning the left. It’s not about tearing down the West but holding it accountable to its own stated ideals.

(Healthy) stage green, self-critique and satiricly self-ridiculing are indeed part of what makes the West so "great" though most of the world doesn't give a fuck about moral preaching. They just pursue the interests and agenda of the country that they love and accept that the world is the way it is. Woke whining and edginess are a uniquely Western phenomenon. Most people perceive them as spineless weaklings and in some cases even as useful idiots. 

 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

Remember Henry Kissingers quote  "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."  If Ukraine isn't living proof of that cynical wisdom I don’t know what is. 

The U.S. doesn't have allies; it has disposable assets. Countries to be used, abused, and discarded when they're no longer convenient. Ukraine made the fatal mistake of believing the promises, of thinking they were special. Now they're learning the hard way that in the game of empire, there are no real friends, only temporary conveniences.

This is the dark heart of American foreign policy that the mainstream media won't touch. This is why the UK having over 10’000 US troops stationed on its land never gets mentioned. These troops aren’t here to dance or for some temporary training - they’ll literally stationed.

The West dangled the carrot of NATO membership and now that the game's gone sideways, they're backpedaling. "Ukraine's too corrupt," they say, conveniently forgetting how they've turned a blind eye to corruption when it suited their interests. It's the geopolitical equivalent of "It's not you, it's me" like some breakup line.

They can't even admit they were wrong. Instead of owning up to the catastrophic miscalculation of antagonizing a nuclear power, they're deflecting to Ukraine corruption as a reason for not NATO. It's a masterclass in gaslighting, with Ukraine and many around the world left with the consequences and aftermath of their adventures.

Gaslighting Ukraine for getting invaded. You know, Ukraine is a sovereign country too. Why is it so hard to believe they genuinely want to be affiliated with the progressive West rather than the regressive East?

Wanting to include Ukraine in NATO is sensible reasoning and well within integrity. My only issue is that they kinda pussy footed with it. You either do it or not because Putin perceived that "carefulness" as a weakness and got a bit too bold. 



 

Edited July 5 by Vrubel

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

[ryandesreu]

On 7/3/2024 at 0:40 PM, Rafael Thundercat said:

 

I respect Robert's opinion and I think he does good work. I also respect Beau and his opinion. Have you seen this take?

 

[Yimpa]

@ryandesreu love that ending

[Bobby_2021]

21 hours ago, Vrubel said:

What a ridiculous strawmen. You’re just parroting some talking points that are in vogue among your circle. I don’t see any serious and well reasoned points. 

Yeah It's indeed a strawman. Made on purpose. So that you get to feel what I feel like.

I replied with a strawman to a strawman which you came up with "muh American exceptionalism..

muh global police, stability..." lmao

If you give thoughtful and insightful analysis, I would reply likewise.

I am not going to give insightful analysis on Americans gifting the world stability lol.

Americans are infamous for destabilizing entire governments while getting their ass whopped by local forces.

Edited July 6 by Bobby_2021

[Bobby_2021]

19 hours ago, Vrubel said:

Argentina is Latin-America level of development which is a tier under America. America is built on meritocracy, individual freedom and protestant values while Latin American societies inherited the not-so-freedom-and-equality based Catholic values and the more rigid hierarchical systems of the Spanish empire. But Argentina is definitely one to watch for the future.
 

Smaller states will always need larger ones for protection. If you're a Westerner, America is your protector. If you're Nepal or Bhutan then India is your protector. "Protection" is a broad thing but more specifically they need to be protected from Russia and China respectively. Israel (and the wider Middle East like Saudi and Jordan) need to be protected from Iran. 
 

Putin and China will dominate if you let them but the US is putting out boundaries to both of them.

America is saying: hands off Ukraine, Hands off Taiwan. Let's trade and increase our wealth and development instead.  

 

China and India have more than enough space to rise and eventually become equals or even surpass the US. The only thing that's demanded of them is not to start a war. 

India is actually a rising superpower without being overly aggressive and having ridiculous territorial claims. I think Hindu culture plays a role here. 

 

 

(Healthy) stage green, self-critique and satiricly self-ridiculing are indeed part of what makes the West so "great" though most of the world doesn't give a fuck about moral preaching. They just pursue the interests and agenda of the country that they love and accept that the world is the way it is. Woke whining and edginess are a uniquely Western phenomenon. Most people perceive them as spineless weaklings and in some cases even as useful idiots. 

 

Gaslighting Ukraine for getting invaded. You know, Ukraine is a sovereign country too. Why is it so hard to believe they genuinely want to be affiliated with the progressive West rather than the regressive East?

Wanting to include Ukraine in NATO is sensible reasoning and well within integrity. My only issue is that they kinda pussy footed with it. You either do it or not because Putin perceived that "carefulness" as a weakness and got a bit too bold. 
 

The biggest gaslighting here is that a country infamous for overthrowing democratically elected governments is somehow "progressive".

Only deluded American wokies believe this and some of them are even starting to doubt themselves.

Get real for a second.

The only progress you made is in the number of genders you could come up with. 

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

20 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Yeah It's indeed a strawman. Made on purpose. So that you get to feel what I feel like.

I replied with a strawman to a strawman which you came up with "muh American exceptionalism..

muh global police, stability..." lmao

If you give thoughtful and insightful analysis, I would reply likewise.

I am not going to give insightful analysis on Americans gifting the world stability lol.

Americans are infamous for destabilizing entire governments while getting their ass whopped by local forces.

   TRUE!🤣

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

10 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The biggest gaslighting here is that a country infamous for overthrowing democratically elected governments is somehow "progressive".

Only deluded American wokies believe this and some of them are even starting to doubt themselves.

Get real for a second.

The only progress you made is in the number of genders you could come up with. 

😭

[Yimpa]

Trump comes out with more lies than the amount of genders there are  

[Danioover9000]

@Yimpa

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

Trump comes out with more lies than the amount of genders there are  

   A country so blessed with geography, and good early development, that it is so secure from the world that it  can develop more genders and fabricated paranoia, just amazing!

[ryandesreu]

Why would the R heavy Supreme Court give President Biden this kind of power?