Trump is going to win the election

[aurum]

  On 7/4/2024 at 1:17 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@aurum

   No, just no. Current polls still show Trump being not popular enough to win. And frankly the only way he'll win is if Biden fucks up, just like how Obama did on his last term, which gave Trump that opportunity. So no I don't buy into this fear mongering at all.

If you want to go with polls, here is a poll from the NYT suggesting Trump is ahead:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president.html

Here is an aggregate of polls that suggest Trump may be edging over Biden, although it is close:

https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls

This is not to suggest that my polls are right and yours are wrong. Or that I know Trump will win.

I'm simply saying we don't truly know at this point. And people who feel certain one way or the other are likely self-deceived in their certainty.

  On 7/4/2024 at 1:17 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@aurum

Also I still stand by my point that we need a smaller limited democracy, and hybrid of autocracy and democracy. We need more senates seats and limited voting powers, and we need to review how voting is happening right now.

If you want that, fine.

My point was simply that Trump has no interest in that.

Edited July 4, 2024 by aurum
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[Yimpa]

  On 7/4/2024 at 3:38 PM, Vrubel said:

If you would look at the total picture you would see the undeniable Net good to global peace and prosperity America provides to the world.

Do you really think that a single human can understand what is best for the whole of humanity?

[Vrubel]

  On 7/4/2024 at 3:49 PM, Yimpa said:

Do you really think that a single human can understand what is best for the whole of humanity?

We're talking about who can best yield the most power in the 21st century to keep our ape species safe. I say adhering to the Western world order is the best thing we all can do. From a historical perspective, wars are extremely rare now and most nation-state borders and sovereignty are respected. The core principle of the Western world order is that economic advancements and incentive should trump nationalistic 19th-century style violent strong manning. 

[Nivsch]

  On 7/4/2024 at 3:38 PM, Vrubel said:

If you would look at the total picture you would see the undeniable Net good to global peace and prosperity America provides to the world. Also, the obvious fact that the other players aspiring to be top dogs are way less moral or upholding of decent values. America is built on solid values of freedom and equality and American history is the expansion and refinement of these core values however convoluted and at times illinear it seems. 

+1 ❤️

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

[hoodrow trillson]

I don't think he'll win tbh -- it seems too obvious of a guess.  Everyone thought the same thing when it was Trump vs Hillary; even the polling numbers said a completely different story and then BOOM Trump won.

There isn't too much instability in America compared to 2019-2020 either other than Biden being old or inflation.

Also, it would be super fucking funny to see him lose twice lmao.  He would walk away with his tail between his legs

[mrPixel]

  On 7/4/2024 at 8:07 PM, ryandesreu said:

No.

"It was another rigged election". Lol

[hoodrow trillson]

  On 7/4/2024 at 8:07 PM, ryandesreu said:

No.

Sorry but losing twice is inescapable, saying the same thing twice won't hit the same.  It's GG if he loses.

[Danioover9000]

   This Trump hate syndrome Kool Aid you guys are on is insanity. It's like some psychological addiction trip you guys are on. Seriously this fear mongering is baseless, and Trump will not likely win at all. Remember, Biden and his administration will do what it takes from Trump to lose. So while you all are bickering about Trump this and Christian nationalists that, what about the other guy in charge signaling that he'll do what it takes for Trump to lose forever, even bending and breaking democratic principles along the way? See you guys are too hooked up in Trump hate that you forgot the other guy next to him ready to break democracy to ensure Trump loses. For the love of god take slow deep breaths, don't forget it's not all about Trump there are others nearby also. You all are having some magical tunnel vision effect going on here.

[Merkabah Star]

  On 7/4/2024 at 9:19 PM, Danioover9000 said:

   This Trump hate syndrome Kool Aid you guys are on is insanity. It's like some psychological addiction trip you guys are on. Seriously this fear mongering is baseless, and Trump will not likely win at all. Remember, Biden and his administration will do what it takes from Trump to lose. So while you all are bickering about Trump this and Christian nationalists that, what about the other guy in charge signaling that he'll do what it takes for Trump to lose forever, even bending and breaking democratic principles along the way? See you guys are too hooked up in Trump hate that you forgot the other guy next to him ready to break democracy to ensure Trump loses. For the love of god take slow deep breaths, don't forget it's not all about Trump there are others nearby also. You all are having some magical tunnel vision effect going on here.

Cenk on tyt refers to it as blue MAGA. 

You and i are both foreigners so its seems obvious to us, but less if you live there. 

If they put Kamala up as the new nomination they have a good chance of beating trump. Thats where the energy should be focussed. Everyone knows trump is nuts, even his supporters can see that. 😀

Edited July 4, 2024 by Merkabah Star

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

  On 7/4/2024 at 9:43 PM, Merkabah Star said:

Cenk on tyt refers to it as blue MAGA. 

You and i are both foreigners so its seems obvious to us, but less if you live there. 

If they put Kamala up as the new nomination they have a good chance of beating trump. Thats where the energy should be focussed. Everyone knows trump is nuts, every his supporters can see that. 😀

    I wish in the USA they had that political party you get to vote for, but it's just a joke party, a mock political party that in the UK has if you vote for yellow. Honestly this circus you guys are on is just too serious. Way too serious. It's turning a lot of you into very emotional wrecks. You guys need to chill, getting polarized so much by right versus left this and that, yikes. I feel like rhyming spiked drinks while riding motor cycles with dinners stinking with second hand pen inks, to think we're trapped in a pitfall bin politics polarizing us in these times...

Edited July 4, 2024 by Danioover9000

[Bobby_2021]

  On 7/4/2024 at 1:40 PM, Vrubel said:

It's not the 80's cold war era anymore.

You are still talking about American exceptionalism as if it were the cold war and not the latter stage of dying empire with no morality nor values.

And new powers are rising in the horizon.

  On 7/4/2024 at 1:40 PM, Vrubel said:

Reality was different then, quite frankly the Middle East as an oil hub is less important now

US still engages in regime change operations and election interferences. You need to wait 50 years for them to declassify it.

Back then, you could at least say they got some benefit out of it like oil or some other resources. But right now, US keeps doing this deplorable shit even though they get nothing in return.  Not even oil. You can deny it as much as you want, but the reality it is pretty much happening. 

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If you would look at the total picture you would see the undeniable Net good to global peace and prosperity America provides to the world. Also, the obvious fact that the other players aspiring to be top dogs are way less moral or upholding of decent values. America is built on solid values of freedom and equality and American history is the expansion and refinement of these core values however convoluted and at times illinear it seems. 

What lol? Bro you watch too much Hollywood. 

Real life is when Americans involve in random shit that does not concern them at all, disrupt the social order of society, get their ass whopped while trying to solve it lmao. 

Edited July 5, 2024 by Bobby_2021

[Merkabah Star]

  On 7/4/2024 at 9:50 PM, Danioover9000 said:

Honestly this circus you guys are on is just too serious. Way too serious. It's turning a lot of you into very emotional wrecks. You guys need to chill, getting polarized so much by right versus left this and that, yikes. I feel like rhyming spiked drinks while riding motor cycles with dinners stinking with second hand pen inks, to think we're trapped in a pitfall bin politics polarizing us in these times...

It’s duality at its best. 
 

people could say the same thing about you or me, with Israel Gaza. 
 

but I love that you wrapped it up with a rap. 😁 

 

[Danioover9000]

@ryandesreu

  On 7/4/2024 at 10:29 PM, ryandesreu said:

I think your pendulum has swung too far in the other direction here.

   I think I'm the only one outside of this circus you Americans trapped yourselves in.

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

  On 7/5/2024 at 11:02 AM, Merkabah Star said:

It’s duality at its best. 
 

people could say the same thing about you or me, with Israel Gaza. 
 

but I love that you wrapped it up with a rap. 😁 

 

   You're welcome, was feeling a dark moment when that rap came up.

[Hatfort]

I knew that Trump appeared on the Epstein visitor list and that there were some pictures of them together as friends, that's bad enough. But I didn't know about this I'm hearing now. A report has been leaked now about a girl named Katie Johnson who tried to sue both Trump and Epstein for rape and sexual assault that occurred when she was 13 years old. She dropped her case for death threats against her and has been hidden since.

The title of the video says MAGA will turn on Trump. Apparently he doesn't know MAGA well enough, they'll still vote for him as a Messiah sent by Christ himself. He is a disgusting pedophile, one of the right's favorite accusations turns out it's their number one. I'm not even surprised.

[Vrubel]

  On 7/5/2024 at 10:38 AM, Bobby_2021 said:

You are still talking about American exceptionalism as if it were the cold war and not the latter stage of dying empire with no morality nor values.

And new powers are rising in the horizon.

US still engages in regime change operations and election interferences. You need to wait 50 years for them to declassify it.

Back then, you could at least say they got some benefit out of it like oil or some other resources. But right now, US keeps doing this deplorable shit even though they get nothing in return.  Not even oil. You can deny it as much as you want, but the reality it is pretty much happening. 

What lol? Bro you watch too much Hollywood. 

Real life is when Americans involve in random shit that does not concern them at all, disrupt the social order of society, get their ass whopped while trying to solve it lmao. 

What I said holds true. I know it's the latest trend among certain circles to be edgy, contrarian and virtue signal as much as possible. I would suggest to see things in their proper (historical) context and in an educated manner in matters of geopolitics and human survival. This "American era" we are in is absolutely unprecedented in human history. 

Russia was seriously unhinged and way too opportunistic in invading Ukraine, but as a rule, most countries in today's world think twice before doing something this stupid and destructive. 

You can act all outraged and whiny but billions of people around the world owe their stability to America and billions more dream of living in America. 

[Bobby_2021]

  On 7/5/2024 at 3:40 PM, Vrubel said:

You can act all outraged and whiny but billions of people around the world owe their stability to America

Yeah I know man self control for not overthrowing stable liberal democracies is hard thing to do. 

  On 7/5/2024 at 3:40 PM, Vrubel said:

billions more dream of living in America. 

Because America makes everywhere else uninhabitable with Coups, Invasions & Bombings

But don't worry; tactics of criminal domination isn't going to work for long. 

  On 7/5/2024 at 3:40 PM, Vrubel said:

Russia was seriously unhinged and way too opportunistic in invading Ukraine, but as a rule, most countries in today's world think twice before doing something this stupid and destructive. 

There is a price to be paid for the security of your nation. He paid the full price for it. Like a mature leader would and should. 

There was a legitimate reason for the special military operation unlike the Iraq invasion.

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

  On 7/5/2024 at 5:23 PM, Bobby_2021 said:

Yeah I know man self control for not overthrowing stable liberal democracies is hard thing to do. 

Because America makes everywhere else uninhabitable with Coups, Invasions & Bombings

But don't worry; tactics of criminal domination isn't going to work for long. 

There is a price to be paid for the security of your nation. He paid the full price for it. Like a mature leader would and should. 

There was a legitimate reason for the special military operation unlike the Iraq invasion.

   TRUE! Also in the UK  we just have to worry about the far left as conservativism is built into here, but in the American politics you guys just have to worry about corporate corruption and lobbying, and a few other things. In Russia you just gotta worry about looking weak and being strong.

[Vrubel]

  On 7/5/2024 at 5:23 PM, Bobby_2021 said:

Because America makes everywhere else uninhabitable with Coups, Invasions & Bombings

But don't worry; tactics of criminal domination isn't going to work for long. 

What a ridiculous strawmen. You’re just parroting some talking points that are in vogue among your circle. I don’t see any serious and well reasoned points. 

Edited July 5, 2024 by Vrubel