Trump is going to win the election

[aurum]

8 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

How worse can it get? We already have a needless war that could have been stopped with a simple negotiation.

Oh, much worse.

With Trump it will be UNHINGED American selfishness.

If you think that Trump is a monster, then you should agree that this monster is not capable of giving a shit about Russia, Ukraine, Palestine or any of this. This monster will not do your bidding.

Trump will use the power of the American military against foreign countries in the same way he runs his own life, which is complete selfishness. He will fuck over the rest of the world just like he fucks over everyone else, to whatever degree he is allowed.

The reason he hasn't been able to do so is because the world is smart enough not to allow such things. But this is the kind of character we are talking about.

8 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Just because Biden is a weak senile man does not mean that he is not capable of causing destruction across the world. The lives of hundreds and thousands of men could have been saved by negotiating with Russia, but they did not do it out of sheer arrogance. And now we are in the brink of WW3 with US weapons directly striking inside Russia.

It's not that Joe Biden being a weak senile man makes him less capable of destruction.

It's that he is orders of magnitude more morally developed and less corrupt than Trump. And yes, that is true despite whatever evil you feel America is currently doing in the world.

8 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Many Americans might get fucked over due to this clown.

That is an acceptable cost to not killing hundreds and thousands of men in needless war and toppling democracies across the world in which the CIA backed Biden administration has been flagrantly engaged in.

It's actually not Americans that will suffer the most from this.

Americans may actually benefit to some degree from Trump's unhinged selfishness. He will put America above every other country. At least until it backfires.

So it's actually the rest of the world that will suffer the most.

You think Trump is going to bring you the justice you seek, but in the end it will be everyone who suffers.

[Danioover9000]

@aurum

4 minutes ago, aurum said:

Oh, much worse.

With Trump it will be UNHINGED American selfishness.

If you think that Trump is a monster, then you should agree that this monster is not capable of giving a shit about Russia, Ukraine, Palestine or any of this. This monster will not do your bidding.

Trump will use the power of the American military against foreign countries in the same way he runs his own life, which is complete selfishness. He will fuck over the rest of the world just like he fucks over everyone else, to whatever degree he is allowed.

The reason he hasn't been able to do so is because the world is smart enough not to allow such things. But this is the kind of character we are talking about.

It's not that Joe Biden being a weak senile man makes him less capable of destruction.

It's that he is orders of magnitude more morally developed and less corrupt than Trump. And yes, that is true despite whatever evil you feel America is currently doing in the world.

It's actually not Americans that will suffer the most from this.

Americans may actually benefit to some degree from Trump's unhinged selfishness. He will put America above every other country. At least until it backfires.

So it's actually the rest of the world that will suffer the most.

You think Trump is going to bring you the justice you seek, but in the end it will be everyone who suffers.

   Stop fear mongering about Trump, he won't win. Unlikely he'll win. Just because Leo posts some raving blog post ranting about Trump, doesn't mean you should copy Leo.

[Vrubel]

40 minutes ago, zazen said:

I was being hyperbolic with regards to saying collapse - more like decline in relative power. I'm not celebrating gleefully at this, but pointing out the fact that others do which is why i wrote ''for some across the world''. It's just highlighting the ironies and consequences of its foreign policies.

Where has China or Iran expanded with feet on the ground? Meanwhile, where has the US or NATO expanded with actual feet on the ground. When the West invades its called intervention, when it regimes changes or topples governments its called spreading democracy or a colour revolution - as colourful as their pride flag to make it look nice.

It's actually the West that are alarmist about the threat of other nations, even to the point of saying their at 'existential threat'. The problem is that the mainstream narrative within the West is detached from reality, the populace is marinating in propaganda by a complicit media on behalf of intelligence agencies and a network of vested interests. Pointing this out isn't trying to be edgy for the sake of it although their are people who crap on anything mainstream as bad or love being contrarian because it makes them feel special.

Saying they "did some shady things with some Central American countries" is like saying Godzilla had a mild disagreement with Tokyo. Orchestrating coups, arming death squads, and toppling democratically elected governments is bad enough - the problem is their interventionism has persisted beyond just the Cold War era and beyond to other regions of the world. 

Why stop at Central America? Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos - the US turned the region into a testing ground for its latest murder gadgets. The Vietnam war was prompted by the false flag Gulf of Tonkin incident. Hiroshima was unnecessary. Then in more recent memory, they globe trotted across the Middle East with their "War on Terror". Two decades of turning countries into parking lots, all while fattening the wallets of defense contractors. Propping up extremist groups and ISIS who coincidentally only target US adversaries. ISIS always attacks Iran or the like recently they claimed the attack in Russia, but somehow never attack their sworn enemy Israel - not even a Israeli olive has been touched by them.

The issue many countries across the world have is that America goes across continents to places it has no business being in and often gets up to no good. If China, Russia and Iran did the same, they should also be critiqued and kicked out. Last I checked its called the South China Sea, not South American Sea - yet we got US ships posturing in waters closer to Beijing than Boston - again, who's a threat to who.

If you would look at the total picture you would see the undeniable Net good to global peace and prosperity America provides to the world. Also, the obvious fact that the other players aspiring to be top dogs are way less moral or upholding of decent values. America is built on solid values of freedom and equality and American history is the expansion and refinement of these core values however convoluted and at times illinear it seems. 

And Isis being a low-key Western ally stuff is pure bullshit. The Middle East is a much more complicated quagmire than Just Iran/Islamic people vs the West.
 

[aurum]

9 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@aurum

   No, just no. Current polls still show Trump being not popular enough to win. And frankly the only way he'll win is if Biden fucks up, just like how Obama did on his last term, which gave Trump that opportunity. So no I don't buy into this fear mongering at all.

If you want to go with polls, here is a poll from the NYT suggesting Trump is ahead:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president.html

Here is an aggregate of polls that suggest Trump may be edging over Biden, although it is close:

https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls

This is not to suggest that my polls are right and yours are wrong. Or that I know Trump will win.

I'm simply saying we don't truly know at this point. And people who feel certain one way or the other are likely self-deceived in their certainty.

9 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@aurum

Also I still stand by my point that we need a smaller limited democracy, and hybrid of autocracy and democracy. We need more senates seats and limited voting powers, and we need to review how voting is happening right now.

If you want that, fine.

My point was simply that Trump has no interest in that.

Edited July 4 by aurum
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[Yimpa]

10 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

If you would look at the total picture you would see the undeniable Net good to global peace and prosperity America provides to the world.

Do you really think that a single human can understand what is best for the whole of humanity?

[Vrubel]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

Do you really think that a single human can understand what is best for the whole of humanity?

We're talking about who can best yield the most power in the 21st century to keep our ape species safe. I say adhering to the Western world order is the best thing we all can do. From a historical perspective, wars are extremely rare now and most nation-state borders and sovereignty are respected. The core principle of the Western world order is that economic advancements and incentive should trump nationalistic 19th-century style violent strong manning. 

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

If you would look at the total picture you would see the undeniable Net good to global peace and prosperity America provides to the world. Also, the obvious fact that the other players aspiring to be top dogs are way less moral or upholding of decent values. America is built on solid values of freedom and equality and American history is the expansion and refinement of these core values however convoluted and at times illinear it seems. 

+1 ❤️

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

[hoodrow trillson]

I don't think he'll win tbh -- it seems too obvious of a guess.  Everyone thought the same thing when it was Trump vs Hillary; even the polling numbers said a completely different story and then BOOM Trump won.

There isn't too much instability in America compared to 2019-2020 either other than Biden being old or inflation.

Also, it would be super fucking funny to see him lose twice lmao.  He would walk away with his tail between his legs

[ryandesreu]

19 minutes ago, hoodrow trillson said:

He would walk away with his tail between his legs

No.

[mrPixel]

3 minutes ago, ryandesreu said:

No.

"It was another rigged election". Lol

[hoodrow trillson]

24 minutes ago, ryandesreu said:

No.

Sorry but losing twice is inescapable, saying the same thing twice won't hit the same.  It's GG if he loses.

[ryandesreu]

3 minutes ago, hoodrow trillson said:

Sorry but losing twice is inescapable, saying the same thing twice won't hit the same.  It's GG if he loses.

You don't see another Trumper tantrum of he loses again? I'm unsure about that. We shall see. 

[Danioover9000]

   This Trump hate syndrome Kool Aid you guys are on is insanity. It's like some psychological addiction trip you guys are on. Seriously this fear mongering is baseless, and Trump will not likely win at all. Remember, Biden and his administration will do what it takes from Trump to lose. So while you all are bickering about Trump this and Christian nationalists that, what about the other guy in charge signaling that he'll do what it takes for Trump to lose forever, even bending and breaking democratic principles along the way? See you guys are too hooked up in Trump hate that you forgot the other guy next to him ready to break democracy to ensure Trump loses. For the love of god take slow deep breaths, don't forget it's not all about Trump there are others nearby also. You all are having some magical tunnel vision effect going on here.

[Merkabah Star]

24 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   This Trump hate syndrome Kool Aid you guys are on is insanity. It's like some psychological addiction trip you guys are on. Seriously this fear mongering is baseless, and Trump will not likely win at all. Remember, Biden and his administration will do what it takes from Trump to lose. So while you all are bickering about Trump this and Christian nationalists that, what about the other guy in charge signaling that he'll do what it takes for Trump to lose forever, even bending and breaking democratic principles along the way? See you guys are too hooked up in Trump hate that you forgot the other guy next to him ready to break democracy to ensure Trump loses. For the love of god take slow deep breaths, don't forget it's not all about Trump there are others nearby also. You all are having some magical tunnel vision effect going on here.

Cenk on tyt refers to it as blue MAGA. 

You and i are both foreigners so its seems obvious to us, but less if you live there. 

If they put Kamala up as the new nomination they have a good chance of beating trump. Thats where the energy should be focussed. Everyone knows trump is nuts, even his supporters can see that. 😀

Edited July 4 by Merkabah Star

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

7 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

Cenk on tyt refers to it as blue MAGA. 

You and i are both foreigners so its seems obvious to us, but less if you live there. 

If they put Kamala up as the new nomination they have a good chance of beating trump. Thats where the energy should be focussed. Everyone knows trump is nuts, every his supporters can see that. 😀

    I wish in the USA they had that political party you get to vote for, but it's just a joke party, a mock political party that in the UK has if you vote for yellow. Honestly this circus you guys are on is just too serious. Way too serious. It's turning a lot of you into very emotional wrecks. You guys need to chill, getting polarized so much by right versus left this and that, yikes. I feel like rhyming spiked drinks while riding motor cycles with dinners stinking with second hand pen inks, to think we're trapped in a pitfall bin politics polarizing us in these times...

Edited July 4 by Danioover9000

[ryandesreu]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

Seriously this fear mongering is baseless.

I think your pendulum has swung too far in the other direction here.

[Bobby_2021]

20 hours ago, Vrubel said:

It's not the 80's cold war era anymore.

You are still talking about American exceptionalism as if it were the cold war and not the latter stage of dying empire with no morality nor values.

And new powers are rising in the horizon.

20 hours ago, Vrubel said:

Reality was different then, quite frankly the Middle East as an oil hub is less important now

US still engages in regime change operations and election interferences. You need to wait 50 years for them to declassify it.

Back then, you could at least say they got some benefit out of it like oil or some other resources. But right now, US keeps doing this deplorable shit even though they get nothing in return.  Not even oil. You can deny it as much as you want, but the reality it is pretty much happening. 

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If you would look at the total picture you would see the undeniable Net good to global peace and prosperity America provides to the world. Also, the obvious fact that the other players aspiring to be top dogs are way less moral or upholding of decent values. America is built on solid values of freedom and equality and American history is the expansion and refinement of these core values however convoluted and at times illinear it seems. 

What lol? Bro you watch too much Hollywood. 

Real life is when Americans involve in random shit that does not concern them at all, disrupt the social order of society, get their ass whopped while trying to solve it lmao. 

Edited July 5 by Bobby_2021

[Merkabah Star]

13 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

Honestly this circus you guys are on is just too serious. Way too serious. It's turning a lot of you into very emotional wrecks. You guys need to chill, getting polarized so much by right versus left this and that, yikes. I feel like rhyming spiked drinks while riding motor cycles with dinners stinking with second hand pen inks, to think we're trapped in a pitfall bin politics polarizing us in these times...

It’s duality at its best. 
 

people could say the same thing about you or me, with Israel Gaza. 
 

but I love that you wrapped it up with a rap. 😁 

 

[Danioover9000]

@ryandesreu

13 hours ago, ryandesreu said:

I think your pendulum has swung too far in the other direction here.

   I think I'm the only one outside of this circus you Americans trapped yourselves in.